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John Wooden Coached at UCLA for 15 years before he won his first National BB Championship. His record from 1948 to 1962 at UCLA was 285 & 122 and he didn't win any national championships or go very deep into the tournament. Heck, A number of years he didn't even make it into the tournament. He won his first National Championship in 1963. Then he went on a roll and won 10 National Championships over his last 14 years. should he have been fired in his first 15 years??? MrP3242
PS: I think Coach Cronin will do very well at UC in the near future. A lot of things have to go right and you have to have a little luck to go deep into the NCAA tournament or win a national championship.
 
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(04-01-2014 09:21 AM)Teakwood Wrote:  I think most fans would like to make regular, doesn't have to annual, but regular trips to the second weekend of the tourney. We've only been to the second weekend twice in the last seventeen years. That's fifteen years in the last seventeen that we have all been depressed after the first day or two of what is supposed to be the most exciting time of year for hoops fans.

It wears on you after a while. Little brother down the street has been to the second weekend five times in the last ten years. Average a trip to the sweet sixteen every other year and it makes first round losses a little easier to swallow.

Have you looked into how many schools have averaged a S16 every other year the last decade or so? Just curious. It seems relevant to the discussion of what are reasonable expectations.
 
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First, I should be clear. I love Mick and want him to stay, but I'll still be critical when I feel its earned. There is plenty of room between coach enshrinement and getting fired where we can b!tch a little, but still want him here. There were only 32 tournament teams when Wooden coached, with ONLY conference champs participating - the field has more than doubled and is diluted. Throw in the scholarship limits todays coaches have and it's apples to oranges comparing current coaches and programs to ones from that era. Mick has assembled teams talented enough, and he is a talented enough coach, that I think expecting another sweet 16 is the very near future is NOT unreasonable.
 
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(04-01-2014 09:53 AM)uccheese Wrote:  
(04-01-2014 09:21 AM)Teakwood Wrote:  I think most fans would like to make regular, doesn't have to annual, but regular trips to the second weekend of the tourney. We've only been to the second weekend twice in the last seventeen years. That's fifteen years in the last seventeen that we have all been depressed after the first day or two of what is supposed to be the most exciting time of year for hoops fans.

It wears on you after a while. Little brother down the street has been to the second weekend five times in the last ten years. Average a trip to the sweet sixteen every other year and it makes first round losses a little easier to swallow.

Have you looked into how many schools have averaged a S16 every other year the last decade or so? Just curious. It seems relevant to the discussion of what are reasonable expectations.

No I haven't. That is a great question, since S16 runs are what I personally define a successful NCAA trip. I only know what I see locally, which is X, UL, UK, OSU - which all blow us away in S16 runs. I'll look it up later today when time permits.
 
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(04-01-2014 10:15 AM)Teakwood Wrote:  First, I should be clear. I love Mick and want him to stay, but I'll still be critical when I feel its earned. There is plenty of room between coach enshrinement and getting fired where we can b!tch a little, but still want him here. There were only 32 tournament teams when Wooden coached, with ONLY conference champs participating - the field has more than doubled and is diluted. Throw in the scholarship limits todays coaches have and it's apples to oranges comparing current coaches and programs to ones from that era. Mick has assembled teams talented enough, and he is a talented enough coach, that I think expecting another sweet 16 is the very near future is NOT unreasonable.
Agree: Tks, MrP3242
 
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(04-01-2014 10:19 AM)Teakwood Wrote:  
(04-01-2014 09:53 AM)uccheese Wrote:  
(04-01-2014 09:21 AM)Teakwood Wrote:  I think most fans would like to make regular, doesn't have to annual, but regular trips to the second weekend of the tourney. We've only been to the second weekend twice in the last seventeen years. That's fifteen years in the last seventeen that we have all been depressed after the first day or two of what is supposed to be the most exciting time of year for hoops fans.

It wears on you after a while. Little brother down the street has been to the second weekend five times in the last ten years. Average a trip to the sweet sixteen every other year and it makes first round losses a little easier to swallow.

Have you looked into how many schools have averaged a S16 every other year the last decade or so? Just curious. It seems relevant to the discussion of what are reasonable expectations.

No I haven't. That is a great question, since S16 runs are what I personally define a successful NCAA trip. I only know what I see locally, which is X, UL, UK, OSU - which all blow us away in S16 runs. I'll look it up later today when time permits.
I think a Sweet 16 run is a reasonable expectation when UC has a mature team that plays well together. MrP3242
 
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(04-01-2014 10:30 AM)MrP3242 Wrote:  
(04-01-2014 10:19 AM)Teakwood Wrote:  
(04-01-2014 09:53 AM)uccheese Wrote:  
(04-01-2014 09:21 AM)Teakwood Wrote:  I think most fans would like to make regular, doesn't have to annual, but regular trips to the second weekend of the tourney. We've only been to the second weekend twice in the last seventeen years. That's fifteen years in the last seventeen that we have all been depressed after the first day or two of what is supposed to be the most exciting time of year for hoops fans.

It wears on you after a while. Little brother down the street has been to the second weekend five times in the last ten years. Average a trip to the sweet sixteen every other year and it makes first round losses a little easier to swallow.

Have you looked into how many schools have averaged a S16 every other year the last decade or so? Just curious. It seems relevant to the discussion of what are reasonable expectations.

No I haven't. That is a great question, since S16 runs are what I personally define a successful NCAA trip. I only know what I see locally, which is X, UL, UK, OSU - which all blow us away in S16 runs. I'll look it up later today when time permits.
I think a Sweet 16 run is a reasonable expectation when UC has a mature team that plays well together. MrP3242

I think expecting one to two sweet 16 runs of better over the next four years is reasonable.
 
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(04-01-2014 10:34 AM)bearcatlawjd Wrote:  
(04-01-2014 10:30 AM)MrP3242 Wrote:  
(04-01-2014 10:19 AM)Teakwood Wrote:  
(04-01-2014 09:53 AM)uccheese Wrote:  
(04-01-2014 09:21 AM)Teakwood Wrote:  I think most fans would like to make regular, doesn't have to annual, but regular trips to the second weekend of the tourney. We've only been to the second weekend twice in the last seventeen years. That's fifteen years in the last seventeen that we have all been depressed after the first day or two of what is supposed to be the most exciting time of year for hoops fans.

It wears on you after a while. Little brother down the street has been to the second weekend five times in the last ten years. Average a trip to the sweet sixteen every other year and it makes first round losses a little easier to swallow.

Have you looked into how many schools have averaged a S16 every other year the last decade or so? Just curious. It seems relevant to the discussion of what are reasonable expectations.

No I haven't. That is a great question, since S16 runs are what I personally define a successful NCAA trip. I only know what I see locally, which is X, UL, UK, OSU - which all blow us away in S16 runs. I'll look it up later today when time permits.
I think a Sweet 16 run is a reasonable expectation when UC has a mature team that plays well together. MrP3242

I think expecting one to two sweet 16 runs of better over the next four years is reasonable.
Agree: MrP3242
 
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(04-01-2014 10:19 AM)Teakwood Wrote:  
(04-01-2014 09:53 AM)uccheese Wrote:  
(04-01-2014 09:21 AM)Teakwood Wrote:  I think most fans would like to make regular, doesn't have to annual, but regular trips to the second weekend of the tourney. We've only been to the second weekend twice in the last seventeen years. That's fifteen years in the last seventeen that we have all been depressed after the first day or two of what is supposed to be the most exciting time of year for hoops fans.

It wears on you after a while. Little brother down the street has been to the second weekend five times in the last ten years. Average a trip to the sweet sixteen every other year and it makes first round losses a little easier to swallow.

Have you looked into how many schools have averaged a S16 every other year the last decade or so? Just curious. It seems relevant to the discussion of what are reasonable expectations.

No I haven't. That is a great question, since S16 runs are what I personally define a successful NCAA trip. I only know what I see locally, which is X, UL, UK, OSU - which all blow us away in S16 runs. I'll look it up later today when time permits.

Wikipedia brought up info pretty easy.

Sweet 16 appearances all time and last 20 years

UC - 13 alltime - 3 last 20 yrs

osu - 15 alltime - 6 last 20 (one was vacated for 1999)

UK - 40 alltime - 13 last 20

uofl - 27 alltime - 9 last 20

eggs - 6 alltime - 5 last 20

cry-ami - 4 alltime - 1 last 20

dayton - 7 alltime - 1 last 20
 
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I was looking through a more contemporary prism, rather than all time. If you look at the past nine seasons plus the present one (that approach takes one appearance away from X!), sweet 16s are as follows:

7 - Michigan State & North Carolina
6 - Duke, Florida, Kansas & Louisville
5 - Arizona, Kentucky, Ohio State & Wisconsin
4 - Connecticut, Memphis, Syracuse, Tennessee, UCLA, Villanova, West Virginia & Xavier
3 - Baylor, Butler, Marquette & Washington
2 - Georgetown, Gonzaga, Indiana, Michigan, NC State, Oregon, Pitt, Purdue, San Diego State, Stanford, Texas, and Wichita State.

Then there are 35 teams with one appearance (including UC).

34 teams have out-performed us in the tourney in the last decade. In my head I associate UC with those teams with 4 appearances, slightly better than those 3 and 2 appearance teams (IU's history makes them the outlier in that group). I'm hoping our tourney performance can start reflecting that.
 
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(04-01-2014 11:51 AM)Teakwood Wrote:  I was looking through a more contemporary prism, rather than all time. If you look at the past nine seasons plus the present one (that approach takes one appearance away from X!), sweet 16s are as follows:

7 - Michigan State & North Carolina
6 - Duke, Florida, Kansas & Louisville
5 - Arizona, Kentucky, Ohio State & Wisconsin
4 - Connecticut, Memphis, Syracuse, Tennessee, UCLA, Villanova, West Virginia & Xavier
3 - Baylor, Butler, Marquette & Washington
2 - Georgetown, Gonzaga, Indiana, Michigan, NC State, Oregon, Pitt, Purdue, San Diego State, Stanford, Texas, and Wichita State.

Then there are 35 teams with one appearance (including UC).

34 teams have out-performed us in the tourney in the last decade. In my head I associate UC with those teams with 4 appearances, slightly better than those 3 and 2 appearance teams (IU's history makes them the outlier in that group). I'm hoping our tourney performance can start reflecting that.

Bearcats even with their second round losses under Huggins still had a rather impressive period from 1992 to 2002. The gutting of the program hurts when you look back a decade. In the next four to six years I am expecting at least two sweet 16's but I am more concerned with our NCAA seed. I want to make the tournament every season with high seeds because that increases your chances of advancing deep in the tournament at a geographically friendly site.
 
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Given what we've been through over the last 10 years to have 34 teams out perform us isn't surprising. We gave up 5 years due to our self imposed dismantling of the basketball program. And really we just became a perennial tournament team recently and not surprisingly put together back to back strong classes . Based on the improved recruiting the last couple years and comparing to other results I expect 2 sweet 16s in the next 5 years. If you look at the teams that go at a higher rate they are true heavyweight programs.
 
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(04-01-2014 12:05 PM)RealDeal Wrote:  Given what we've been through over the last 10 years to have 34 teams out perform us isn't surprising. We gave up 5 years due to our self imposed dismantling of the basketball program. And really we just became a perennial tournament team recently and not surprisingly put together back to back strong classes . Based on the improved recruiting the last couple years and comparing to other results I expect 2 sweet 16s in the next 5 years. If you look at the teams that go at a higher rate they are true heavyweight programs.

I am not huge fan of using tournament performance as a benchmark but I do believe two Sweet 16's is realistic goal; however, one elite eight or final four combine with four first weekend exits wouldn't be a bad trade off. As long as the program continues to get to the tournament there is a good chance that there will be a deep run every so often.

I prefer to combine tournament results with the regular season to get a good idea where this program sits. Winning league championship and weekly rankings helps build the program and provides a foundation to fall back on if the tournament run ends to quickly.
 
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I agree. Where we are seeded is a much better indication of the strength of the program. Our Logan-Satterfield sweet 16 team beat a 12 and a 13 to get there. Using only tournament results makes the sample too small to trust the results.
 
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Comparing tournament results over the past decade is a total waste of time given our self-imposed death penalty to the basketball program during that period. Really you should only look at about the last four years since that's the period that this program had any chance of being relevant after the sanctions that were passed down by our beloved ex-president. And even then I don't think it's completely fair to compare us to other powerhouse programs as I think we are just now starting to see the recruiting results from having a consistently strong program. I expect the next five years will be much better than the past five.
 
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(04-01-2014 12:59 PM)bearcats23 Wrote:  Comparing tournament results over the past decade is a total waste of time given our self-imposed death penalty to the basketball program during that period. Really you should only look at about the last four years since that's the period that this program had any chance of being relevant after the sanctions that were passed down by our beloved ex-president. And even then I don't think it's completely fair to compare us to other powerhouse programs as I think we are just now starting to see the recruiting results from having a consistently strong program. I expect the next five years will be much better than the past five.
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