(12-15-2013 04:25 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(12-15-2013 03:37 PM)CollegeCard Wrote:  

(12-15-2013 02:51 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Do you think before you type or is it stream of consciousness?

That may be giving too much credit. Stream of consciousness implies there is any conscious thought occurring.

Wasn't talking to you, either. Perhaps you two need some alone time? Whatever it is you two need, don't get me involved. I'm not interested.

You don't seem to understand how a 'forum' works. If you post to the forum, you are implicitly inviting commentary from anyone. If you want to speak to just one person, send a private message.

Nice example using MSU. Seems like they have 530,000 alumni (http://alumni.msu.edu/newsarticle.cfm?id=274). I have tried to find what the numbers are for the UCF alumni and was not successful, but I would bet it is not even close, considering the differences in the schools historries.

You can add 7 to that count! Will be buying when prices come down on stubhub. UCF will be very well represented in the stands and on tv.

(12-14-2013 07:00 PM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  I honestly don't think there's 17,000 seats on the airlines around that time period to get to Phoenix or anywhere near there. The logistics of traveling at a peak holiday period for that many people is ridiculous.

The point I would make to you is that this is what EVERY team not in Florida deals with. And while it may seem as though people are picking on UCF, perhaps if your fans had listened to many of us months ago when they were ragging on Pitt or Uconn or trying to rag on Cincy for bowl numbers, this would not be happening. Had you all not ragged on NIU, who is facing the EXACT same thing, this would not be happening. UCF is not the only school where the vast majority of people who want to attend have to fly. Your opponent is one. Three of the four teams playing in Pascedena will have to fly. One of the teams in the Orange bowl likely have to fly (though some "could" drive it is at the point where a drive is too long for most). And many more smaller ones.

(12-14-2013 10:13 PM)Goldenbuc Wrote:  I know a lot of people are licking their chops to slam UCF for tickets sales, but this trip is brutal. $700-900 flights just aren't that doable for many.

Note that at this point last year, NIU had sold 5500 tickets. I recall some posters bashing them then. Here we are a year later, and well, shoe's on the other foot.

(12-15-2013 04:27 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(12-15-2013 04:13 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(12-15-2013 02:46 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(12-15-2013 02:15 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  Spirit RT Tampa to Vegas 475

Get a few to split hotel room and car and you can make this trip for about a 1000. Is it cheap, no but it's not something you will plan yearly

I'm not a UCF fan. But, the more you keep posting, the more I feel you should be paying for these posters you're so fond of disparaging.

Where in my posts did I disparage anyone? I have agreed is not cheap, I have pointed out is a special occasion and I have shown how there are options that would make it cheaper.

They're trying to say that its just not feasible, financially, to go to Arizona. You're telling them otherwise. My point is/was, if you know all the "tricks of the trade", why aren't you funding/donating to this?

Why would I? I'm not a UCF fan. If it was USF I would be going and helping in some way students to go.

How many tickets dis USF sell to the Sun Bowl to face Oregon?

(12-15-2013 07:22 PM)North Carolina Knights Wrote:  How many tickets dis USF sell to the Sun Bowl to face Oregon?

That is probably a fair question. Although it's not entirely comparable because it is a lower stature game, they make less tickets available (more for locals), and by virtue of being picked in that bowl, means you are a fill in, and coming off a likely mediocre season. So while it's "fair," the dynamics are different.

(12-15-2013 07:22 PM)North Carolina Knights Wrote:  How many tickets dis USF sell to the Sun Bowl to face Oregon?

Ok. Let's make this perfectly clear because I do not want to make this thread a USF vs UCF spit fest.

#1 I understand that the Fiesta a Bowl trip is an expensive trip that many will not be able to afford it.

#2 if UCF sells no more than 5000 which they will but even if they don't. I'm NOT bashing their numbers.

#3 all I was pointing out is that there are ways that fans can get there for around 1000 dollars. But I clearly understand that amount can still be more than many can afford.

So let's not get into a USF vs UCF crap fest. I know full well USF wouldn't be doing any better

UCF could go the NIU route and offer free tickets to any students that can make it to the game.

(12-15-2013 06:33 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(12-14-2013 07:00 PM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  I honestly don't think there's 17,000 seats on the airlines around that time period to get to Phoenix or anywhere near there. The logistics of traveling at a peak holiday period for that many people is ridiculous.

The point I would make to you is that this is what EVERY team not in Florida deals with. And while it may seem as though people are picking on UCF, perhaps if your fans had listened to many of us months ago when they were ragging on Pitt or Uconn or trying to rag on Cincy for bowl numbers, this would not be happening. Had you all not ragged on NIU, who is facing the EXACT same thing, this would not be happening. UCF is not the only school where the vast majority of people who want to attend have to fly. Your opponent is one. Three of the four teams playing in Pascedena will have to fly. One of the teams in the Orange bowl likely have to fly (though some "could" drive it is at the point where a drive is too long for most). And many more smaller ones.

(12-14-2013 10:13 PM)Goldenbuc Wrote:  I know a lot of people are licking their chops to slam UCF for tickets sales, but this trip is brutal. $700-900 flights just aren't that doable for many.

Note that at this point last year, NIU had sold 5500 tickets. I recall some posters bashing them then. Here we are a year later, and well, shoe's on the other foot.

Lots more options for flying to Florida. If you're flying into Miami for the Orange Bowl, you have three - yes, three - local airports with significant service to the north and a bunch more within 4 hour drives. Then you still have Orlando (2 airports), Tampa, Sarasota, and Fort Myers, all with significant service to the north including Chicago. And Jax is only 5 hours. Lots of options.

Just like the people flying to Pasadena...lots of options. LA has 5 airports, then you have San Diego and Vegas (4 hours). Plus the national championship game is not on a peak travel weekend. Michigan State (and NIU) also has the benefit of travel set up for northern vacationers going to warm places...not much travel set up in mind for warm and sunny Florida to warm and sunny Arizona.

Flying to Phoenix, you've got Phoenix and Tucson. Vegas then is 4.5 hours and Albuquerque and El Paso are both 6 hour drives, and it's all on a peak travel weekend when already limited east-west flights were booked.

Driving for Orlando-Phoenix vs Chicago-Miami is 33% longer, so the driving option was definitely better for NIU.

Plus, the Michigan State people taking out loans for the bowl trip are ridiculous, and I'd never support someone doing that for any football game.

(12-14-2013 03:21 PM)Knightsfan94 Wrote:  

(12-14-2013 03:18 PM)No Bull Wrote:  5K sold so far. Not good.

No, unfortunately not so good. But I'm not really shocked. Is it awful of me to personally resent NIU for losing, lol?

That would be understandable until kickoff of your game.

I've cut my family out of the trip and will be meeting up with friends in Arizona, but I'm still paying about as much for me to go alone as I had planned for 4 people to attend the Sugar Bowl. My airfare is $640, hotel is $265, game ticket is $232. Grand total of $1137 before I've had 1 beer.

I'm making it happen, but it's ludicrous to expect 17k UCF fans to spend that kind of money to attend this game. Having sold 5k through UCF at this point is disappointing but not surprising. Hopefully we get 1-2k more through UCF and another 3-4k who buy on Stubhub.

(12-15-2013 11:05 PM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  Lots more options for flying to Florida. If you're flying into Miami for the Orange Bowl, you have three - yes, three - local airports with significant service to the north and a bunch more within 4 hour drives. Then you still have Orlando (2 airports), Tampa, Sarasota, and Fort Myers, all with significant service to the north including Chicago. And Jax is only 5 hours. Lots of options.

So why are none of those options for flying OUT of Florida? That was the point (said it numerous times). BTW, if we are now using 5 hours as the flying radius, you can also fly into Tuscon (1:45), Los Angeles (5:15), Las Vegas (4:30), San Diego (5 hours), and Flagstaff (2:00). And since you discussed that it was fairly cheap to fly to Los Angeles, problem is solved. IF UCF was being asked to do something that no one else was, we'd have a good argument. But all I see are a list of excuses that are relevant to many of the OTHER bowl fan bases. They are not unique.

I've spent lots of money going to the Orange Bowl, the Gator Bowl, the Sugar Bowl, three Final Fours, and even smaller bowls like the Belk, St. Pete, Motor City, and Liberty Bowl. Some cost more than others, but 4 were flights (Detroit, Memphis, St. Pete, and St. Louis), and two last minute (you think getting bowl flights are expensive, try getting flights to the Final Four on five days notice?). It happens to everyone.

(12-15-2013 11:05 PM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  

(12-15-2013 06:33 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(12-14-2013 07:00 PM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  I honestly don't think there's 17,000 seats on the airlines around that time period to get to Phoenix or anywhere near there. The logistics of traveling at a peak holiday period for that many people is ridiculous.

The point I would make to you is that this is what EVERY team not in Florida deals with. And while it may seem as though people are picking on UCF, perhaps if your fans had listened to many of us months ago when they were ragging on Pitt or Uconn or trying to rag on Cincy for bowl numbers, this would not be happening. Had you all not ragged on NIU, who is facing the EXACT same thing, this would not be happening. UCF is not the only school where the vast majority of people who want to attend have to fly. Your opponent is one. Three of the four teams playing in Pascedena will have to fly. One of the teams in the Orange bowl likely have to fly (though some "could" drive it is at the point where a drive is too long for most). And many more smaller ones.

(12-14-2013 10:13 PM)Goldenbuc Wrote:  I know a lot of people are licking their chops to slam UCF for tickets sales, but this trip is brutal. $700-900 flights just aren't that doable for many.

Note that at this point last year, NIU had sold 5500 tickets. I recall some posters bashing them then. Here we are a year later, and well, shoe's on the other foot.

Lots more options for flying to Florida. If you're flying into Miami for the Orange Bowl, you have three - yes, three - local airports with significant service to the north and a bunch more within 4 hour drives. Then you still have Orlando (2 airports), Tampa, Sarasota, and Fort Myers, all with significant service to the north including Chicago. And Jax is only 5 hours. Lots of options.

Just like the people flying to Pasadena...lots of options. LA has 5 airports, then you have San Diego and Vegas (4 hours). Plus the national championship game is not on a peak travel weekend. Michigan State (and NIU) also has the benefit of travel set up for northern vacationers going to warm places...not much travel set up in mind for warm and sunny Florida to warm and sunny Arizona.

Flying to Phoenix, you've got Phoenix and Tucson. Vegas then is 4.5 hours and Albuquerque and El Paso are both 6 hour drives, and it's all on a peak travel weekend when already limited east-west flights were booked.

Driving for Orlando-Phoenix vs Chicago-Miami is 33% longer, so the driving option was definitely better for NIU.

Plus, the Michigan State people taking out loans for the bowl trip are ridiculous, and I'd never support someone doing that for any football game.

What will be misleading is that the number of tickets sold through the university is the number everyone will talk about, regardless of how many are actually in the stands wearing black and gold. For the OB last season tickets on stubhub were less than half of what the price was thru the university. In the end NIU easily had 20k at the game but only 7500(includes the band and the student tickets) were sold thru the university.

Had i bought my 5 tickets on stub hub I would have saved $600 on a trip that cost more than 3k(and I drove).

I feel your pain. The worst part is that the reported number will be what you sell through the school and tickets purchased by UCF fans on the secondary market will not be counted. Hopefully you guys can win the game or at least give them a scare, that way the press won't be nearly as cruel as it was for UConn. That was actually a decent UConn team, but not as good as the one the prior year that beat Notre Dame and whooped South Carolina in the Papa John's. You guys have an excellent team and I think you have a shot but your D is going to have to slow Baylor down, that is for sure.

(12-16-2013 04:29 PM)BobL Wrote:  

(12-15-2013 11:05 PM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  

(12-15-2013 06:33 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(12-14-2013 07:00 PM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  I honestly don't think there's 17,000 seats on the airlines around that time period to get to Phoenix or anywhere near there. The logistics of traveling at a peak holiday period for that many people is ridiculous.

The point I would make to you is that this is what EVERY team not in Florida deals with. And while it may seem as though people are picking on UCF, perhaps if your fans had listened to many of us months ago when they were ragging on Pitt or Uconn or trying to rag on Cincy for bowl numbers, this would not be happening. Had you all not ragged on NIU, who is facing the EXACT same thing, this would not be happening. UCF is not the only school where the vast majority of people who want to attend have to fly. Your opponent is one. Three of the four teams playing in Pascedena will have to fly. One of the teams in the Orange bowl likely have to fly (though some "could" drive it is at the point where a drive is too long for most). And many more smaller ones.

(12-14-2013 10:13 PM)Goldenbuc Wrote:  I know a lot of people are licking their chops to slam UCF for tickets sales, but this trip is brutal. $700-900 flights just aren't that doable for many.

Note that at this point last year, NIU had sold 5500 tickets. I recall some posters bashing them then. Here we are a year later, and well, shoe's on the other foot.

Lots more options for flying to Florida. If you're flying into Miami for the Orange Bowl, you have three - yes, three - local airports with significant service to the north and a bunch more within 4 hour drives. Then you still have Orlando (2 airports), Tampa, Sarasota, and Fort Myers, all with significant service to the north including Chicago. And Jax is only 5 hours. Lots of options.

Just like the people flying to Pasadena...lots of options. LA has 5 airports, then you have San Diego and Vegas (4 hours). Plus the national championship game is not on a peak travel weekend. Michigan State (and NIU) also has the benefit of travel set up for northern vacationers going to warm places...not much travel set up in mind for warm and sunny Florida to warm and sunny Arizona.

Flying to Phoenix, you've got Phoenix and Tucson. Vegas then is 4.5 hours and Albuquerque and El Paso are both 6 hour drives, and it's all on a peak travel weekend when already limited east-west flights were booked.

Driving for Orlando-Phoenix vs Chicago-Miami is 33% longer, so the driving option was definitely better for NIU.

Plus, the Michigan State people taking out loans for the bowl trip are ridiculous, and I'd never support someone doing that for any football game.

What will be misleading is that the number of tickets sold through the university is the number everyone will talk about, regardless of how many are actually in the stands wearing black and gold. For the OB last season tickets on stubhub were less than half of what the price was thru the university. In the end NIU easily had 20k at the game but only 7500(includes the band and the student tickets) were sold thru the university.

Had i bought my 5 tickets on stub hub I would have saved $600 on a trip that cost more than 3k(and I drove).

I really doubt NIU had 20k at the game. Any sources you can cite to that?

(12-16-2013 01:12 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(12-15-2013 11:05 PM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  Lots more options for flying to Florida. If you're flying into Miami for the Orange Bowl, you have three - yes, three - local airports with significant service to the north and a bunch more within 4 hour drives. Then you still have Orlando (2 airports), Tampa, Sarasota, and Fort Myers, all with significant service to the north including Chicago. And Jax is only 5 hours. Lots of options.

So why are none of those options for flying OUT of Florida? That was the point (said it numerous times). BTW, if we are now using 5 hours as the flying radius, you can also fly into Tuscon (1:45), Los Angeles (5:15), Las Vegas (4:30), San Diego (5 hours), and Flagstaff (2:00). And since you discussed that it was fairly cheap to fly to Los Angeles, problem is solved. IF UCF was being asked to do something that no one else was, we'd have a good argument. But all I see are a list of excuses that are relevant to many of the OTHER bowl fan bases. They are not unique.

I've spent lots of money going to the Orange Bowl, the Gator Bowl, the Sugar Bowl, three Final Fours, and even smaller bowls like the Belk, St. Pete, Motor City, and Liberty Bowl. Some cost more than others, but 4 were flights (Detroit, Memphis, St. Pete, and St. Louis), and two last minute (you think getting bowl flights are expensive, try getting flights to the Final Four on five days notice?). It happens to everyone.

People are using Vegas and Tucson, but it's still a peak travel weekend where lots of the flights were already booked. Flagstaff's only flight is from Phoenix, so it hardly counts. The bottom line is that transcontinental flights cost significantly more than flights to Florida from northern cities because of a lack of competition, lack of direct flights, and less seats in the market.

(12-16-2013 04:51 PM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  

(12-16-2013 04:29 PM)BobL Wrote:  

(12-15-2013 11:05 PM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  

(12-15-2013 06:33 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(12-14-2013 07:00 PM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  I honestly don't think there's 17,000 seats on the airlines around that time period to get to Phoenix or anywhere near there. The logistics of traveling at a peak holiday period for that many people is ridiculous.

The point I would make to you is that this is what EVERY team not in Florida deals with. And while it may seem as though people are picking on UCF, perhaps if your fans had listened to many of us months ago when they were ragging on Pitt or Uconn or trying to rag on Cincy for bowl numbers, this would not be happening. Had you all not ragged on NIU, who is facing the EXACT same thing, this would not be happening. UCF is not the only school where the vast majority of people who want to attend have to fly. Your opponent is one. Three of the four teams playing in Pascedena will have to fly. One of the teams in the Orange bowl likely have to fly (though some "could" drive it is at the point where a drive is too long for most). And many more smaller ones.

(12-14-2013 10:13 PM)Goldenbuc Wrote:  I know a lot of people are licking their chops to slam UCF for tickets sales, but this trip is brutal. $700-900 flights just aren't that doable for many.

Note that at this point last year, NIU had sold 5500 tickets. I recall some posters bashing them then. Here we are a year later, and well, shoe's on the other foot.

Lots more options for flying to Florida. If you're flying into Miami for the Orange Bowl, you have three - yes, three - local airports with significant service to the north and a bunch more within 4 hour drives. Then you still have Orlando (2 airports), Tampa, Sarasota, and Fort Myers, all with significant service to the north including Chicago. And Jax is only 5 hours. Lots of options.

Just like the people flying to Pasadena...lots of options. LA has 5 airports, then you have San Diego and Vegas (4 hours). Plus the national championship game is not on a peak travel weekend. Michigan State (and NIU) also has the benefit of travel set up for northern vacationers going to warm places...not much travel set up in mind for warm and sunny Florida to warm and sunny Arizona.

Flying to Phoenix, you've got Phoenix and Tucson. Vegas then is 4.5 hours and Albuquerque and El Paso are both 6 hour drives, and it's all on a peak travel weekend when already limited east-west flights were booked.

Driving for Orlando-Phoenix vs Chicago-Miami is 33% longer, so the driving option was definitely better for NIU.

Plus, the Michigan State people taking out loans for the bowl trip are ridiculous, and I'd never support someone doing that for any football game.

What will be misleading is that the number of tickets sold through the university is the number everyone will talk about, regardless of how many are actually in the stands wearing black and gold. For the OB last season tickets on stubhub were less than half of what the price was thru the university. In the end NIU easily had 20k at the game but only 7500(includes the band and the student tickets) were sold thru the university.

Had i bought my 5 tickets on stub hub I would have saved $600 on a trip that cost more than 3k(and I drove).

I really doubt NIU had 20k at the game. Any sources you can cite to that?

NIU only averaged 20k in their BCS busting season. Last 2 games was less than 18k. UCF more than doubled their fan support. Almost 2.5 times thei last two games. I call bs on them traveling 20k.

In UCF's defense, we're doing a lot better than either Pitt or UConn for their Fiesta Bowl BCS Game.

Also ... Baylor actually sold 7,000 of their initial 9,000 via pre-pay via season ticket holders.

We should have done that for GKC with the incentive of 1 (or 2) more Priority Points. I'd say it means you're committed to purchase at least 50% the bowl tickets of your season tickets. E.g., minimum of 2 bowl tickets for 4 season tickets.

UCF in the Sugar would have been 10K, easily, by now.

In defense of both Pitt and UConn both of those went into the Fiesta with 3 and 4 loses so not as much excitement. The facts are that ANY eastern school to the Fiesta would be hard to sell more than 8000 at the prices that the school must sell them for.