Well the bowls are a week away, the Saban rumor has been put to rest, it's about a month until the NCAA meetings, and things are slow. I'm curious after all the discussion and conjecture if you were made commissioner for a day and could acquire any school for the SEC what would your ideal 16 member, 18 member, and 20 member conference look like? This is not a prediction, has no basis in reality, it is your ideal model for the SEC. It also has nothing to do with markets. Just list the SEC you would most like to see and participate in. So go.

SEC at 16:

North: Kentucky, North Carolina, South Carolina, Virginia

East: Auburn, Florida, Georgia, Vanderbilt

South: Alabama, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Tennessee

West: Arkansas, Louisiana State, Missouri, Texas A&M

(or sub Texas and Oklahoma for North Carolina and Virginia)
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SEC at 18:

East: Duke, Kentucky, North Carolina, South Carolina, Tennessee, Virginia

Central: Alabama, Auburn, Florida, Georgia, Mississippi State, Vanderbilt

West: Arkansas, Louisiana State, Mississippi, Missouri, Oklahoma, Texas A&M
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SEC at 20:

North: Duke, North Carolina, South Carolina, Tennessee, Virginia

East: Auburn, Clemson, Florida, Georgia, Kentucky

South: Alabama, Florida State, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Vanderbilt

West: Arkansas, Louisiana State, Missouri, Oklahoma, Texas A&M

18: texas, osu, ou, fsu

Fun.

(would the NCAA allow two rounds of conference championship? without that I don't see three divisions)

16:
EAST: Georgia, Florida, South Carolina, Tennessee, Clemson, Kentucky, North Carolina, Virginia. at 18 add FSU. at 20 add VaTech.
WEST: Alabama, Auburn, aTm, LSU, Arkansas, Oklahoma, Missouri, Texas. at 18 allow GaTech back in and move UK west. at 20 add NCSU and move UTK west.

No going outside Southern culture. No sweet tea, no SEC. And no Missississississippippippippi.

20: UNC, duke, NC state, wake forest, vtech, virginia

20: UNC, duke, NC state, wake forest, vtech, virginia

I don't think that the SEC wants to get into a huge conference shake up. So I beleive getting to 16 is the magic number. My picks are Cincinnati and SMU. Neither of these programs are entrinched in the AAC and both bring big markets to the SEC.

(12-14-2013 12:06 PM)hawghiggs Wrote:  I don't think that the SEC wants to get into a huge conference shake up. So I beleive getting to 16 is the magic number. My picks are Cincinnati and SMU. Neither of these programs are entrinched in the AAC and both bring big markets to the SEC.

I know there are some who have given you grief over your conviction about Cincinnati. Some would give you grief over S.M.U. as well. But actually I don't. Should the Big 12 remain as is then a combination of 2 of these three would begin to make sense (East Carolina, S.M.U., Cincinnati) or maybe even toss in (South Florida and Central Florida). Eventually the SEC is going to want a second presence in Florida and the Southern end of the State would make the greatest sense to me, preferably on the Gulf side which would be South Florida, although I have nothing against the Knights.

Cincinnati is an interesting market dynamic, especially given its proximity to Louisville and the more Southern culture of the city.

What most don't know is that S.M.U. has a sports endowment that exceeds 1 Billion dollars. It wouldn't take the Ponies long to reestablish themselves should they have the conference credentials with which to do it and then Dallas would belong to the SEC.

But, you have to admit that if the Big 12 dissolved there would be other priorities that would fill all of those needs (except South Florida) a bit better. But, Hawghiggs your scenario should the Big 12 hold, makes sense. There are just many who can't think that far out of the box to see the potentialities.

16:

VT, NCSU

18

VT, NCSU, WVU, KU

20

VT, NCSU, WVU, KU, FSU, CU

16:
FSU and Clemson

18:
North Carolina and Virginia Tech

20:
Miami and NC State

(12-14-2013 04:07 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(12-14-2013 12:06 PM)hawghiggs Wrote:  I don't think that the SEC wants to get into a huge conference shake up. So I beleive getting to 16 is the magic number. My picks are Cincinnati and SMU. Neither of these programs are entrinched in the AAC and both bring big markets to the SEC.

I know there are some who have given you grief over your conviction about Cincinnati. Some would give you grief over S.M.U. as well. But actually I don't. Should the Big 12 remain as is then a combination of 2 of these three would begin to make sense (East Carolina, S.M.U., Cincinnati) or maybe even toss in (South Florida and Central Florida). Eventually the SEC is going to want a second presence in Florida and the Southern end of the State would make the greatest sense to me, preferably on the Gulf side which would be South Florida, although I have nothing against the Knights.

Cincinnati is an interesting market dynamic, especially given its proximity to Louisville and the more Southern culture of the city.

What most don't know is that S.M.U. has a sports endowment that exceeds 1 Billion dollars. It wouldn't take the Ponies long to reestablish themselves should they have the conference credentials with which to do it and then Dallas would belong to the SEC.

But, you have to admit that if the Big 12 dissolved there would be other priorities that would fill all of those needs (except South Florida) a bit better. But, Hawghiggs your scenario should the Big 12 hold, makes sense. There are just many who can't think that far out of the box to see the potentialities.

I completly agree that their are better programs to be had for the SEC. What has always been my point. Is the fact none are avalible. Every program that is a big named state school is locked down. And they seem to be locked down tight. So we have to look other places for diamonds in the rough. Cincy provides the SEC with new markets for the SEC network and helps strenthens basketball. Which is much needed.

16: Add Texas and Oklahoma

West: Texas, Oklahoma, Missouri, Arkansas
Central: Texas A&M, LSU, Ole Miss, Mississippi State
North: Kentucky, Tennessee, Vanderbilt, South Carolina
East: Alabama, Auburn, Georgia, Florida

18: Add North Carolina and Duke

West: Texas, Oklahoma, Missouri, Arkansas, Texas A&M, LSU
Gulf: Ole Miss, Mississippi State, Alabama, Auburn, Georgia, Florida
East: South Carolina, Tennessee, Kentucky, Vanderbilt, North Carolina, Duke

20: Add Kansas and Florida State

A: Texas, Oklahoma, Missouri, Arkansas, Kansas
B: Texas A&M, LSU, Ole Miss, Mississippi State, Vanderbilt
C: Alabama, Kentucky, Tennessee, Auburn, South Carolina
D: Georgia, Florida, North Carolina, Duke, Florida State

(12-13-2013 10:34 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Well the bowls are a week away, the Saban rumor has been put to rest, it's about a month until the NCAA meetings, and things are slow. I'm curious after all the discussion and conjecture if you were made commissioner for a day and could acquire any school for the SEC what would your ideal 16 member, 18 member, and 20 member conference look like? This is not a prediction, has no basis in reality, it is your ideal model for the SEC. It also has nothing to do with markets. Just list the SEC you would most like to see and participate in. So go.

SEC at 16:

North: Kentucky, North Carolina, South Carolina, Virginia

East: Auburn, Florida, Georgia, Vanderbilt

South: Alabama, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Tennessee

West: Arkansas, Louisiana State, Missouri, Texas A&M

(or sub Texas and Oklahoma for North Carolina and Virginia)
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SEC at 18:

East: Duke, Kentucky, North Carolina, South Carolina, Tennessee, Virginia

Central: Alabama, Auburn, Florida, Georgia, Mississippi State, Vanderbilt

West: Arkansas, Louisiana State, Mississippi, Missouri, Oklahoma, Texas A&M
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SEC at 20:

North: Duke, North Carolina, South Carolina, Tennessee, Virginia

East: Auburn, Clemson, Florida, Georgia, Kentucky

South: Alabama, Florida State, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Vanderbilt

West: Arkansas, Louisiana State, Missouri, Oklahoma, Texas A&M

The problem with 20 is not that 20 is too large of a number with subdivisions but rather it would be hard to stop at 20. Once the SEC got that large schools who did not originally want to be in the SEC would.

If any two of Texas, Oklahoma, North Carolina and Virginia were left out at 20, and then wanted to join, which I believe they would, they could bring with them two other quality institutions also left out; such as FSU and Clemson, or Kansas and VT, or VT and Duke. Under that scenario it would be hard to not go to 24.

Especially if they were considering a bigger relationship with Fox if they were not admitted.

(12-15-2013 09:55 AM)Lurker Above Wrote:  

(12-13-2013 10:34 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Well the bowls are a week away, the Saban rumor has been put to rest, it's about a month until the NCAA meetings, and things are slow. I'm curious after all the discussion and conjecture if you were made commissioner for a day and could acquire any school for the SEC what would your ideal 16 member, 18 member, and 20 member conference look like? This is not a prediction, has no basis in reality, it is your ideal model for the SEC. It also has nothing to do with markets. Just list the SEC you would most like to see and participate in. So go.

SEC at 16:

North: Kentucky, North Carolina, South Carolina, Virginia

East: Auburn, Florida, Georgia, Vanderbilt

South: Alabama, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Tennessee

West: Arkansas, Louisiana State, Missouri, Texas A&M

(or sub Texas and Oklahoma for North Carolina and Virginia)
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SEC at 18:

East: Duke, Kentucky, North Carolina, South Carolina, Tennessee, Virginia

Central: Alabama, Auburn, Florida, Georgia, Mississippi State, Vanderbilt

West: Arkansas, Louisiana State, Mississippi, Missouri, Oklahoma, Texas A&M
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SEC at 20:

North: Duke, North Carolina, South Carolina, Tennessee, Virginia

East: Auburn, Clemson, Florida, Georgia, Kentucky

South: Alabama, Florida State, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Vanderbilt

West: Arkansas, Louisiana State, Missouri, Oklahoma, Texas A&M

The problem with 20 is not that 20 is too large of a number with subdivisions but rather it would be hard to stop at 20. Once the SEC got that large schools who did not originally want to be in the SEC would.

If any two of Texas, Oklahoma, North Carolina and Virginia were left out at 20, and then wanted to join, which I believe they would, they could bring with them two other quality institutions also left out; such as FSU and Clemson, or Kansas and VT, or VT and Duke. Under that scenario it would be hard to not go to 24.

Especially if they were considering a bigger relationship with Fox if they were not admitted.

Considering the region of the country, the relationships, and the continuity, 24 under these circumstances would be likely. Even a case for 32 could be made, but that would be two conferences under one league.

North: Duke, Kentucky, Virginia, Virginia Tech, North Carolina, N.C. State
East: Clemson, Florida, Florida State, Georgia, Georgia Tech, South Carolina
South: Alabama, Auburn, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Tennessee, Vanderbilt
West: Arkansas, L.S.U., Missouri, Oklahoma, Texas, Texas A&M

It would be an economic juggernaut, but an absolute killer to win.

(12-15-2013 10:15 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(12-15-2013 09:55 AM)Lurker Above Wrote:  

(12-13-2013 10:34 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Well the bowls are a week away, the Saban rumor has been put to rest, it's about a month until the NCAA meetings, and things are slow. I'm curious after all the discussion and conjecture if you were made commissioner for a day and could acquire any school for the SEC what would your ideal 16 member, 18 member, and 20 member conference look like? This is not a prediction, has no basis in reality, it is your ideal model for the SEC. It also has nothing to do with markets. Just list the SEC you would most like to see and participate in. So go.

SEC at 16:

North: Kentucky, North Carolina, South Carolina, Virginia

East: Auburn, Florida, Georgia, Vanderbilt

South: Alabama, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Tennessee

West: Arkansas, Louisiana State, Missouri, Texas A&M

(or sub Texas and Oklahoma for North Carolina and Virginia)
*******************************************************

SEC at 18:

East: Duke, Kentucky, North Carolina, South Carolina, Tennessee, Virginia

Central: Alabama, Auburn, Florida, Georgia, Mississippi State, Vanderbilt

West: Arkansas, Louisiana State, Mississippi, Missouri, Oklahoma, Texas A&M
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SEC at 20:

North: Duke, North Carolina, South Carolina, Tennessee, Virginia

East: Auburn, Clemson, Florida, Georgia, Kentucky

South: Alabama, Florida State, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Vanderbilt

West: Arkansas, Louisiana State, Missouri, Oklahoma, Texas A&M

The problem with 20 is not that 20 is too large of a number with subdivisions but rather it would be hard to stop at 20. Once the SEC got that large schools who did not originally want to be in the SEC would.

If any two of Texas, Oklahoma, North Carolina and Virginia were left out at 20, and then wanted to join, which I believe they would, they could bring with them two other quality institutions also left out; such as FSU and Clemson, or Kansas and VT, or VT and Duke. Under that scenario it would be hard to not go to 24.

Especially if they were considering a bigger relationship with Fox if they were not admitted.

Considering the region of the country, the relationships, and the continuity, 24 under these circumstances would be likely. Even a case for 32 could be made, but that would be two conferences under one league.

North: Duke, Kentucky, Virginia, Virginia Tech, North Carolina, N.C. State
East: Clemson, Florida, Florida State, Georgia, Georgia Tech, South Carolina
South: Alabama, Auburn, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Tennessee, Vanderbilt
West: Arkansas, L.S.U., Missouri, Oklahoma, Texas, Texas A&M

It would be an economic juggernaut, but an absolute killer to win.

It would be the college version of the NFL.

(12-15-2013 10:41 AM)hawghiggs Wrote:  

(12-15-2013 10:15 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(12-15-2013 09:55 AM)Lurker Above Wrote:  

(12-13-2013 10:34 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Well the bowls are a week away, the Saban rumor has been put to rest, it's about a month until the NCAA meetings, and things are slow. I'm curious after all the discussion and conjecture if you were made commissioner for a day and could acquire any school for the SEC what would your ideal 16 member, 18 member, and 20 member conference look like? This is not a prediction, has no basis in reality, it is your ideal model for the SEC. It also has nothing to do with markets. Just list the SEC you would most like to see and participate in. So go.

SEC at 16:

North: Kentucky, North Carolina, South Carolina, Virginia

East: Auburn, Florida, Georgia, Vanderbilt

South: Alabama, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Tennessee

West: Arkansas, Louisiana State, Missouri, Texas A&M

(or sub Texas and Oklahoma for North Carolina and Virginia)
*******************************************************

SEC at 18:

East: Duke, Kentucky, North Carolina, South Carolina, Tennessee, Virginia

Central: Alabama, Auburn, Florida, Georgia, Mississippi State, Vanderbilt

West: Arkansas, Louisiana State, Mississippi, Missouri, Oklahoma, Texas A&M
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SEC at 20:

North: Duke, North Carolina, South Carolina, Tennessee, Virginia

East: Auburn, Clemson, Florida, Georgia, Kentucky

South: Alabama, Florida State, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Vanderbilt

West: Arkansas, Louisiana State, Missouri, Oklahoma, Texas A&M

The problem with 20 is not that 20 is too large of a number with subdivisions but rather it would be hard to stop at 20. Once the SEC got that large schools who did not originally want to be in the SEC would.

If any two of Texas, Oklahoma, North Carolina and Virginia were left out at 20, and then wanted to join, which I believe they would, they could bring with them two other quality institutions also left out; such as FSU and Clemson, or Kansas and VT, or VT and Duke. Under that scenario it would be hard to not go to 24.

Especially if they were considering a bigger relationship with Fox if they were not admitted.

Considering the region of the country, the relationships, and the continuity, 24 under these circumstances would be likely. Even a case for 32 could be made, but that would be two conferences under one league.

North: Duke, Kentucky, Virginia, Virginia Tech, North Carolina, N.C. State
East: Clemson, Florida, Florida State, Georgia, Georgia Tech, South Carolina
South: Alabama, Auburn, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Tennessee, Vanderbilt
West: Arkansas, L.S.U., Missouri, Oklahoma, Texas, Texas A&M

It would be an economic juggernaut, but an absolute killer to win.

It would be the college version of the NFL.

Exactly. And how much would that be worth? Too much to resist?

(12-14-2013 08:25 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  16:

VT, NCSU

18

VT, NCSU, WVU, KU

20

VT, NCSU, WVU, KU, FSU, CU

Come on 1oth...No Texas or Okies? Sorry about the Army loss yesterday as well. My son is in the Guard and suffered with me.

(12-15-2013 10:15 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(12-15-2013 09:55 AM)Lurker Above Wrote:  

(12-13-2013 10:34 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Well the bowls are a week away, the Saban rumor has been put to rest, it's about a month until the NCAA meetings, and things are slow. I'm curious after all the discussion and conjecture if you were made commissioner for a day and could acquire any school for the SEC what would your ideal 16 member, 18 member, and 20 member conference look like? This is not a prediction, has no basis in reality, it is your ideal model for the SEC. It also has nothing to do with markets. Just list the SEC you would most like to see and participate in. So go.

SEC at 16:

North: Kentucky, North Carolina, South Carolina, Virginia

East: Auburn, Florida, Georgia, Vanderbilt

South: Alabama, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Tennessee

West: Arkansas, Louisiana State, Missouri, Texas A&M

(or sub Texas and Oklahoma for North Carolina and Virginia)
*******************************************************

SEC at 18:

East: Duke, Kentucky, North Carolina, South Carolina, Tennessee, Virginia

Central: Alabama, Auburn, Florida, Georgia, Mississippi State, Vanderbilt

West: Arkansas, Louisiana State, Mississippi, Missouri, Oklahoma, Texas A&M
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SEC at 20:

North: Duke, North Carolina, South Carolina, Tennessee, Virginia

East: Auburn, Clemson, Florida, Georgia, Kentucky

South: Alabama, Florida State, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Vanderbilt

West: Arkansas, Louisiana State, Missouri, Oklahoma, Texas A&M

The problem with 20 is not that 20 is too large of a number with subdivisions but rather it would be hard to stop at 20. Once the SEC got that large schools who did not originally want to be in the SEC would.

If any two of Texas, Oklahoma, North Carolina and Virginia were left out at 20, and then wanted to join, which I believe they would, they could bring with them two other quality institutions also left out; such as FSU and Clemson, or Kansas and VT, or VT and Duke. Under that scenario it would be hard to not go to 24.

Especially if they were considering a bigger relationship with Fox if they were not admitted.

Considering the region of the country, the relationships, and the continuity, 24 under these circumstances would be likely. Even a case for 32 could be made, but that would be two conferences under one league.

North: Duke, Kentucky, Virginia, Virginia Tech, North Carolina, N.C. State
East: Clemson, Florida, Florida State, Georgia, Georgia Tech, South Carolina
South: Alabama, Auburn, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Tennessee, Vanderbilt
West: Arkansas, L.S.U., Missouri, Oklahoma, Texas, Texas A&M

It would be an economic juggernaut, but an absolute killer to win.

I like your setup Jr. Well thought out.

It said your ideal.

My ideal is UT and OU rotting in the Little 10 for all eternity and never being allowed into the SEC (particularly the conference killing cancer in Austin) :D

16: Add North Carolina and Virginia

18: Add Oklahoma and Texas

20: Add Florida State and Clemson

24: Add Georgia Tech, Virginia Tech, North Carolina State, and Duke

32: Add West Virginia, Louisville, Oklahoma State, Miami, Tulane, Rice, and (drum roll....) Maryland, Delaware

(12-15-2013 09:01 PM)bigblueblindness Wrote:  16: Add North Carolina and Virginia

18: Add Oklahoma and Texas

20: Add Florida State and Clemson

24: Add Georgia Tech, Virginia Tech, North Carolina State, and Duke

32: Add West Virginia, Louisville, Oklahoma State, Miami, Tulane, Rice, and (drum roll....) Maryland, Delaware

Man you love those Blue Hens! Yep I agree on Maryland as well if you could get them back. They are a great example as to why no SEC or ACC school needs a Big 10 leaning president. I've been struggling with who at 32. I like your picks okay. I could definitely agree on WVU, Louisville, Oklahoma State, Miami, Tulane and Rice. Maryland had not occurred to me because of their recent moves and the Kansas culture didn't seem to fit us. Delaware is interesting. But is I suppose under the circumstances that Wake opts out.