Louisville was simply allowed to rape and pillage their way to a national title last year. Anyone not a Louisville fan will agree to this; even Louisville fans know it but will not admit it.

(12-15-2013 07:06 PM)lenetzach Wrote:  

(12-15-2013 06:19 PM)homefry20 Wrote:  

(12-15-2013 06:00 PM)lenetzach Wrote:  You're embarrassing yourself inventing theories that don't fit what actually happened.

You should watch the game film and try to defend that garbage theory.

We were saddled with several bad charge calls which took some of our offensive aggressiveness away

How we're they bad?

Joe was called for an offensive foul for shrugging off a player who was draped over him from behind in the backcourt.

Was the contact a foul? Did Joe make an overt attempt to clear space with his 'shimmy'?

Lets talk about "aggressive defense" and foul calls. Stan got hacked across the arms (right in front of me btw) and lost the ball out of bounds. Ref was right there and called it a turnover, not a foul.

So he missed one? And who are DJ and Stan? Didn't they graduate?

DJ was undercut multiple times on rebounds, dropping him to the floor, by players who saw him in the air and moved under him.

Dont remember those plays. Did he jump straight up?

Several times we had post players grabbed around the waist to prevent them from getting to entry passes.

Were our post players physical? Did they do a lot of jockeying?

That's not to mention all of the typical hacking and grabbing that every other person who watches basketball expects to see from Louisville.

You mad?

But they just didn't foul us. Sure.

If you want to inspire confidence in the integrity of your hobby, you should try being appropriately critical of bad officiating, instead of inventing reasons to defend it.

Do you have any idea the philosophy behind officiating? It would be like me bttching about how a carpenter builds a shed.

Is an advantage gained by the contact?

Doesnt matter anymore, no more adv/disadv. Maybe Joe got frustrated and shoved him? Maybe he was pushed? Thats a matter of angle and judgement I guess.

The charge calls were bad because the defenders never had established legal guarding position nor were they established in their own position on the floor. They jumped in to draw a charge and it was incorrectly given to them. The changes this year are appropriate in mostly removing this garbage from the game.

The new rules favor blocks more than charges. I didnt see the earliest parts of the game but if they defenders were not established then it should be a block unless the offensive player makes an unnatural movement to create contact.

The Louisville player was fouling Joe continuously with his arms and body for 2-3 seconds, trying to push him out of bounds. The player was behind and to the left and did not have legal position. Joe was not trying to clear space in front of him, he was trying to prevent himself from getting ridden out of bounds. Should he have just waited for the officials to call a foul on the Louisville player? What evidence did he have that that would happen?

We played Louisville this week?

Yes he missed one that everyone in the arena saw. I saw it immediately from the stands and was confirmed on replay. It was obvious.

Yes DJ jumped straight up and was undercut by players who saw his location at the time. Intentional and dangerous and the no calls resulted in Louisville getting the ball back.

Everyone jockeys for position, but you can't grab a guy and hold him, period.

Offensive player is allowed to jockey yet defender should be whistled for every minor hold? Only thing I dont like is that they didnt call the first foul, on the offense.

I am still kind of mad about that game and I do hate the style of defense that tries to commit so many fouls that officials will decide its too many to call. It makes a beautiful game ugly.

But more to the point is your assertion that we played more aggressive defense than Louisville, which anyone who watched the game or who watched LV play last year would find to be a hilarious claim.

As for philosophy, I led with that - it should be about advantage gained. That is why I said that the basket interference call on Shaq in the UALR game was wrong in context, because there was no advantage gained and no intent to gain advantage, just the result of the defensive foul.

I don't expect perfection. I do expect basic and obvious calls to be made correctly the vast majority of the time.

WHY ARE WE TALKING ABOUT THE LOUISVILLE GAME? IM TALKING ABOUT FRIDAY?[/b]

In post 36 you highlighted a paragraph by another poster that used that game as a general critique of terrible officiating and you responded, defending the officials in that game, in ridiculous fashion.

I responded with examples of why your defense about that game is wrong. Now every time you can't respond to a point you act like you aren't talking about that game.

(12-15-2013 07:48 PM)lenetzach Wrote:  In post 36 you highlighted a paragraph by another poster that used that game as a general critique of terrible officiating and you responded, defending the officials in that game, in ridiculous fashion.

I responded with examples of why your defense about that game is wrong. Now every time you can't respond to a point you act like you aren't talking about that game.

In what game? I only saw the first half of last year louisville game. I have no idea what happened. Im talking about Fridays game

Mike Stuart also reffed the Louisville game last year. He was tight with Pitino.

Mike Stuart and Pitino are tight?

(12-15-2013 05:35 PM)homefry20 Wrote:  

(12-15-2013 04:27 PM)Tigermaniac Wrote:  

(12-15-2013 01:42 AM)lenetzach Wrote:  

(12-14-2013 11:38 PM)homefry20 Wrote:  Hate I missed "wants to fight" guy in this thread. Hard to justify blaming the refs when you're playing Montana School for the Blind

there is a not so subtle difference between "blaming the refs" and recognizing obviously poor performance.

no need to be defensive about it.

You didn't miss me. You obviously replied.

1. I can't stand you.
2. You defend refs non stop even if they are horrible.
3. You pick the "horrible" refs over a team you claim to root for. I'm starting to doubt your Memphis fan hood as is.
4. You think you're a know it all. When in fact from most of the stuff I have read you miss a lot. I'll give it to you, that you know your stuff MOST of the time. However, there are situations that you are wrong on and don't want to admit it.
5. Go back and watch the game. The refs didn't even call the game the same way for 10 minutes consistently. There were about 5 calls made against UALR in the final 8 minutes that didn't get called the first 27-28 minutes. Is it so hard for you and guys in your profession to call a damn game the right way?

I met a guy at the SMU football game that said he was a ref for 6 years. he said when he was a "new" ref that conference officials came in and said that they had a lot of Regional coverage for the game and to NOT take team A out of their play style. He stated that the conference officials wanted it to be a tight game for the TV numbers. This is a 100% true story and based off of what I have seen from NUMEROUS games I 100% believe him.

You probably thought the Louisville game was well officiated last year. I have 0 respect for you and some of the guys in your profession. Do I think the refs know what they're doing? Yes I do. If you expect me to believe that they are 100% accurate in their jobs and call games the right way every time then you're full of **** and so are anyone else who expects ANYONE to believe that.

We need honest refs who will call a game fair and by the books. Call it right or move along. If not don't expect people to not complain or get pissed about it. The refs ALONE cost us the Louisville game last season. 46 ******* free throws to 20? Are you kidding me? IN MEMPHIS???

If some of the refs out here calling these games are considered professionals then they need to get a new job. I personally thinks it's pathetic you and your peers have the nerve to say you are professionals. A lot of what I have seen is a disgrace.

So you want a game called "fair" then advocate that a home team should get preferential treatment in the same paragraph.

We had more fouls because we were playing much more aggressive defense while they had fewer fouls bc we kept taking ill advised jump shots. I'm sure Mike Stuart and company flew to Memphis just to screw us. Good call Brochacho.

Indeed I did. Not so much for the preferential treatment more along the lines of they think they could actually get away with it. I'm still pissed about the pure disrespect shown to our program during that game. Also, wrong on all accounts. Watch the game. More aggressive LOL? We were way less aggressive then them. I guess it's ok to undercut players and hack and grab and push.

This isn't even just about the Louisville game though. This about about horrible officiating time in and time out. How come every ex ref I have talked to tells me its a dirty business but yet, you sit here and defend it like it doesn't go on and expect people who actually know the rules, who have played the game, and even coached the game to believe some of the garbage that comes out of your mouth?

You really do have issues, why don't you take off your little zebra shirt sit back and actually look at what people are talking about. Again, your profession is dirty, you know it, I know it and so does everyone else "brochacho."

(12-15-2013 06:00 PM)lenetzach Wrote:  You're embarrassing yourself inventing theories that don't fit what actually happened.

You should watch the game film and try to defend that garbage theory.

We were saddled with several bad charge calls which took some of our offensive aggressiveness away

Joe was called for an offensive foul for shrugging off a player who was draped over him from behind in the backcourt.

Lets talk about "aggressive defense" and foul calls. Stan got hacked across the arms (right in front of me btw) and lost the ball out of bounds. Ref was right there and called it a turnover, not a foul.

DJ was undercut multiple times on rebounds, dropping him to the floor, by players who saw him in the air and moved under him.

Several times we had post players grabbed around the waist to prevent them from getting to entry passes.

That's not to mention all of the typical hacking and grabbing that every other person who watches basketball expects to see from Louisville.

But they just didn't foul us. Sure.

If you want to inspire confidence in the integrity of your hobby, you should try being appropriately critical of bad officiating, instead of inventing reasons to defend it.

It takes someone truly cough...cough..."special" to call themselves a Memphis fan, and defend that ******* debacle last year against Louisville. Louisville fans were laughing about it on their board.

(12-16-2013 08:31 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(12-15-2013 06:00 PM)lenetzach Wrote:  You're embarrassing yourself inventing theories that don't fit what actually happened.

You should watch the game film and try to defend that garbage theory.

We were saddled with several bad charge calls which took some of our offensive aggressiveness away

Joe was called for an offensive foul for shrugging off a player who was draped over him from behind in the backcourt.

Lets talk about "aggressive defense" and foul calls. Stan got hacked across the arms (right in front of me btw) and lost the ball out of bounds. Ref was right there and called it a turnover, not a foul.

DJ was undercut multiple times on rebounds, dropping him to the floor, by players who saw him in the air and moved under him.

Several times we had post players grabbed around the waist to prevent them from getting to entry passes.

That's not to mention all of the typical hacking and grabbing that every other person who watches basketball expects to see from Louisville.

But they just didn't foul us. Sure.

If you want to inspire confidence in the integrity of your hobby, you should try being appropriately critical of bad officiating, instead of inventing reasons to defend it.

It takes someone truly cough...cough..."special" to call themselves a Memphis fan, and defend that ******* debacle last year against Louisville. Louisville fans were laughing about it on their board.

I just don't understand how something like the Louisville game officiating can happen on national TV and nothing can be done about it. It was so obvious, even a 3 year old at his first basketball game could see it. I just don't get it.

(12-15-2013 07:09 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  Louisville was simply allowed to rape and pillage their way to a national title last year. Anyone not a Louisville fan will agree to this; even Louisville fans know it but will not admit it.

Fouls
33 Memphis
20 Louisville

Bonus
Memphis
1st Half: 2:17
2nd Half: 4:34

Louisville
1st Half: 9:53
2nd Half: 10:45

Foul Trouble
Memphis
Fouled Out: 5
4 Fouls: 1

Louisville
Fouled Out: 0
4 Fouls: 1 (Siva got his 4th foul with 18 seconds left in the game)

That piece of **** FIX cost us a 3 seed.

I was discussing Friday nights game. How you angry malcontents turned it into a red bashing spree of a game more than a year old is beyond me. Carry on if it makes you feel better

I love bashing refs from past games, and the Louisville game was the worst. I think coaches should be allowed to pick the refs like a jury. One coach picks one ref, the other coach picks a ref, and the conference (visitor's conference when the game is not within a conference) picks one.

They should also be in shape and not waddling 30 feet behind the flow of the game.

Fix is the wrong word for it. It was a bad day for two very good officials last year at the Louisville game. John Cahill went on to officiate the national title game last year so he must have been pretty good during the year. I don't think Stuart reffed the Final Four last year.

(12-16-2013 12:47 PM)fsquid Wrote:  Fix is the wrong word for it. It was a bad day for two very good officials last year at the Louisville game. John Cahill went on to officiate the national title game last year so he must have been pretty good during the year. I don't think Stuart reffed the Final Four last year.

Stuart...a Vol, ****** us. We can assume that his final grade wasn't affected because he fixed one game; or maybe it was.

(12-16-2013 01:09 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(12-16-2013 12:47 PM)fsquid Wrote:  Fix is the wrong word for it. It was a bad day for two very good officials last year at the Louisville game. John Cahill went on to officiate the national title game last year so he must have been pretty good during the year. I don't think Stuart reffed the Final Four last year.

Stuart...a Vol, ****** us. We can assume that his final grade wasn't affected because he fixed one game; or maybe it was.

It's absolutely ridiculous to think any of that.

(12-16-2013 01:19 PM)homefry20 Wrote:  

(12-16-2013 01:09 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(12-16-2013 12:47 PM)fsquid Wrote:  Fix is the wrong word for it. It was a bad day for two very good officials last year at the Louisville game. John Cahill went on to officiate the national title game last year so he must have been pretty good during the year. I don't think Stuart reffed the Final Four last year.

Stuart...a Vol, ****** us. We can assume that his final grade wasn't affected because he fixed one game; or maybe it was.

It's absolutely ridiculous to think any of that.

After reading your nonsense in this thread; I couldn't be happier that you disagree with me. It was worse than professional wrestling. The only thing Stuart didn't do was hit any of our players over the head with a chair.

(12-16-2013 01:24 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(12-16-2013 01:19 PM)homefry20 Wrote:  

(12-16-2013 01:09 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(12-16-2013 12:47 PM)fsquid Wrote:  Fix is the wrong word for it. It was a bad day for two very good officials last year at the Louisville game. John Cahill went on to officiate the national title game last year so he must have been pretty good during the year. I don't think Stuart reffed the Final Four last year.

Stuart...a Vol, ****** us. We can assume that his final grade wasn't affected because he fixed one game; or maybe it was.

It's absolutely ridiculous to think any of that.

After reading your nonsense in this thread; I couldn't be happier that you disagree with me. It was worse than professional wrestling. The only thing Stuart didn't do was hit any of our players over the head with a chair.

I forgot you were the expert of all experts. You know less about officiating than my dog knows about advanced calculus.

It certainly wasn't the worst officiated game I've seen in the last 4-5 seasons.

It was inconsistent; but not wildly so.

The increased emphasis on not allowing the defender to use his forearm should also apply to the offensive player.

Which doesn't seem to be a point of emphasis so far as guards are actively pushing/shielding with it.

I always thought a player leaving his feet to dunk and is fouled in the act of doing so has the right to grab the goal/net to avoid injury & protect himself.

So I didn't agree with the call on that.

Also I thought that the rule had changed the last few years where a player could not longer call a time out when a ball is loose on the floor and he dives and grabs it to keep it from going out of bounds and calls a time out?

That occurred on the sidelines during Fridays night game and was allowed.

Did I imagine that rule being changed?

(12-16-2013 01:24 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(12-16-2013 01:19 PM)homefry20 Wrote:  

(12-16-2013 01:09 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(12-16-2013 12:47 PM)fsquid Wrote:  Fix is the wrong word for it. It was a bad day for two very good officials last year at the Louisville game. John Cahill went on to officiate the national title game last year so he must have been pretty good during the year. I don't think Stuart reffed the Final Four last year.

Stuart...a Vol, ****** us. We can assume that his final grade wasn't affected because he fixed one game; or maybe it was.

It's absolutely ridiculous to think any of that.

After reading your nonsense in this thread; I couldn't be happier that you disagree with me. It was worse than professional wrestling. The only thing Stuart didn't do was hit any of our players over the head with a chair.

Stuart is so bad he could ref the NBA.

(12-16-2013 02:10 PM)Cletus Wrote:  It certainly wasn't the worst officiated game I've seen in the last 4-5 seasons.

It was inconsistent; but not wildly so.

The increased emphasis on not allowing the defender to use his forearm should also apply to the offensive player.

Which doesn't seem to be a point of emphasis so far as guards are actively pushing/shielding with it.

I always thought a player leaving his feet to dunk and is fouled in the act of doing so has the right to grab the goal/net to avoid injury & protect himself.

So I didn't agree with the call on that.

Also I thought that the rule had changed the last few years where a player could not longer call a time out when a ball is loose on the floor and he dives and grabs it to keep it from going out of bounds and calls a time out?

That occurred on the sidelines during Fridays night game and was allowed.

Did I imagine that rule being changed?

I'm waiting on homefry to comment on the rules. To have a dog that knows advanced calculus is mind boggling!!!