http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/college...l-playoff/

Quote:TCU athletic director Chris Del Conte, whose Horned Frogs aren't about to share any of their newfound Big 12 largesse with any other schools, said the more important question is when the playoff will expand.

"If the playoffs were to start today, you'd have two SEC teams, an ACC team and a Big Ten team," Del Conte said. "The Pac-12 and the Big 12 are outside looking in. If you have a steady diet of that over a period of time, there are going to definitely be some conversations. ... The better question is if it is going to be four or expand to eight. I think that's the question. Not expansion of conference."

We in the media have been speculating about this possibility since the summer of 2012, when the powers that be announced the 12-year contract that created the four-team playoff. But this is the first time anyone from inside the machine has brought up the possibility in public. And Del Conte makes a convincing argument. "If you have four and all of sudden the Big Ten is out for three years in a row, they'll be salty dogs up there. That's a big media market," Del Conte said. "They're not going to take it. [Big Ten commissioner Jim] Delany will not have it. So do they go from four to eight? That's the better question."

At least the 4 team is a starting platform and it was long and hard to get to that point. Once the 4 team playoffs settles in, it only a matter that is goes to 8 just for the reasons described above. What will happen is when 5 or 6 teams are 12-0 and get left out the pressure will become greater.

8 teams is a good equilibrium for FBS where the bowl system still is intact for the 2nd, 3rd or 4th place teams still have a postseason.

Just leave it at two -- that's the better option.

(12-12-2013 05:23 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  At least the 4 team is a starting platform and it was long and hard to get to that point. Once the 4 team playoffs settles in, it only a matter that is goes to 8 just for the reasons described above. What will happen is when 5 or 6 teams are 12-0 and get left out the pressure will become greater.

8 teams is a good equilibrium for FBS where the bowl system still is intact for the 2nd, 3rd or 4th place teams still have a postseason.

The first year the SEC and Big 10 both miss is when the networks, SEC and Big 10 insist on going to 8 ASAP.

(12-12-2013 06:43 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(12-12-2013 05:23 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  At least the 4 team is a starting platform and it was long and hard to get to that point. Once the 4 team playoffs settles in, it only a matter that is goes to 8 just for the reasons described above. What will happen is when 5 or 6 teams are 12-0 and get left out the pressure will become greater.

8 teams is a good equilibrium for FBS where the bowl system still is intact for the 2nd, 3rd or 4th place teams still have a postseason.

The first year the SEC and Big 10 both miss is when the networks, SEC and Big 10 insist on going to 8 ASAP.

That may not happen for awhile. 2000 and 2001 were the only BCS years in which neither league had a team in the final BCS top 4. In 2000, the highest SEC team was Florida at #7 and the highest Big Ten team was Michigan at #16. In 2001, Florida was #5 and Illinois was #8.

Del Conte's scenario is more likely to happen first.

(12-12-2013 05:25 PM)Zombiewoof Wrote:  Just leave it at two -- that's the better option.

Agreed.

I don't see why they couldn't have kept the system as it is but had a National Championship game on a neutral site instead of a double hosting model and 6 BCS bowls for additional access points.

Call it something else than the BCS to avoid lawsuits.

(12-12-2013 06:59 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(12-12-2013 05:25 PM)Zombiewoof Wrote:  Just leave it at two -- that's the better option.

Agreed.

I don't see why they couldn't have kept the system as it is but had a National Championship game on a neutral site instead of a double hosting model and 6 BCS bowls for additional access points.

Call it something else than the BCS to avoid lawsuits.

What???? 2 teams is a complete joke. You don't know who the 2 best teams are and it's simply arrogance to think you do based on such limited information. I mean, 4 OOC games, one of which is against FCS, 2 against mediocre or middling FBS schools and only 1 good FBS school. The rest of the year you're playing other conference teams which tells you nothing about how you compare with OOC teams. There's not enough information there. That should be obvious.

(12-12-2013 08:51 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(12-12-2013 06:59 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(12-12-2013 05:25 PM)Zombiewoof Wrote:  Just leave it at two -- that's the better option.

Agreed.

I don't see why they couldn't have kept the system as it is but had a National Championship game on a neutral site instead of a double hosting model and 6 BCS bowls for additional access points.

Call it something else than the BCS to avoid lawsuits.

What???? 2 teams is a complete joke. You don't know who the 2 best teams are and it's simply arrogance to think you do based on such limited information. I mean, 4 OOC games, one of which is against FCS, 2 against mediocre or middling FBS schools and only 1 good FBS school. The rest of the year you're playing other conference teams which tells you nothing about how you compare with OOC teams. There's not enough information there. That should be obvious.

Computers.

I am sure that the non-bias committee will be fair in picking the playoff teams. All those years of the bias BCS will be erased with the perfection of the playoffs.

They won't go to 8. They will eliminate the 5th power conference. Once the upper tier is established and control is in the hands of the P5 conferences the networks will provide the economic boost to consolidate to 4 conferences. Then they will be guaranteed participants from each of the regions of the country in the semis. Structure will be created to insure the desire for advertising participation across the whole nation and for regional interest throughout the playoffs.

(12-12-2013 09:15 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(12-12-2013 08:51 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(12-12-2013 06:59 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(12-12-2013 05:25 PM)Zombiewoof Wrote:  Just leave it at two -- that's the better option.

Agreed.

I don't see why they couldn't have kept the system as it is but had a National Championship game on a neutral site instead of a double hosting model and 6 BCS bowls for additional access points.

Call it something else than the BCS to avoid lawsuits.

What???? 2 teams is a complete joke. You don't know who the 2 best teams are and it's simply arrogance to think you do based on such limited information. I mean, 4 OOC games, one of which is against FCS, 2 against mediocre or middling FBS schools and only 1 good FBS school. The rest of the year you're playing other conference teams which tells you nothing about how you compare with OOC teams. There's not enough information there. That should be obvious.

Computers.

Computers can't create information out of such limited data any more than people can. Nice try, though.

I think eventually well have an 8 team playoff where the P5 champs have autobids and 3 wild cards are selected by comittee

(12-12-2013 09:28 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(12-12-2013 09:15 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(12-12-2013 08:51 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(12-12-2013 06:59 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(12-12-2013 05:25 PM)Zombiewoof Wrote:  Just leave it at two -- that's the better option.

Agreed.

I don't see why they couldn't have kept the system as it is but had a National Championship game on a neutral site instead of a double hosting model and 6 BCS bowls for additional access points.

Call it something else than the BCS to avoid lawsuits.

What???? 2 teams is a complete joke. You don't know who the 2 best teams are and it's simply arrogance to think you do based on such limited information. I mean, 4 OOC games, one of which is against FCS, 2 against mediocre or middling FBS schools and only 1 good FBS school. The rest of the year you're playing other conference teams which tells you nothing about how you compare with OOC teams. There's not enough information there. That should be obvious.

Computers.

Computers can't create information out of such limited data any more than people can. Nice try, though.

That is why they have 8 of them and removed the highest and lowest ranking.

(12-12-2013 09:26 PM)JRsec Wrote:  They won't go to 8. They will eliminate the 5th power conference. Once the upper tier is established and control is in the hands of the P5 conferences the networks will provide the economic boost to consolidate to 4 conferences. Then they will be guaranteed participants from each of the regions of the country in the semis. Structure will be created to insure the desire for advertising participation across the whole nation and for regional interest throughout the playoffs.

And you could move to a P4 fairly fast by just a couple of moves......

PAC (Texas, Oklahoma)
B1G (Kansas, UConn)

The remining B12 schools would add UC, Memphis, Houston, Tulane, SMU and become the best G6 conference.

What I think makes more sense than 8 playoff teams is 8 CFP bowls so everyone in the Top 16 gets to go. Add the Holiday and Capital One to the currently lineup and you're set.

While the MWC wouldn't have an autobid for example they would get to go to the Fiesta or Holiday against a Top ranked opponent in most years.

Then with 8 CFP bowls the SEC can even get more teams into the post season which works from their perspective. The G6 with so many school will probably place 2 in the CFP though.

I'd say 2-3 years to work out the bugs. The playoffs are where the money is so expansion is coming. I wouldn't be surprised to see the CCGs dropped in favor of another round. I also wouldn't be surprised to see (as someone else noted) a second playoff to replace the remaining bowls.

Give the 4 team playoff a few years, then the networks will throw some more money at the conferences if they go to 8. It will happen.

(12-12-2013 09:42 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  I think eventually well have an 8 team playoff where the P5 champs have autobids and 3 wild cards are selected by comittee

I agree and think that's like predicting there will be a Tuesday next week. It's just mind boggling that everything is such a struggle in CFB. It is almost a miracle that these moronic and greedy bastards haven't already killed the golden goose.

The only value of a four team playoff is that it starts the sport down the playoff road once and for all. Once people get a taste of this there will be no going back - just like the BCS. Literally everything else about the four team playoff is inferior to the current deeply flawed system. That's a remarkable feat in and of itself.

There will not be a consolidation to four leagues. Notre Dame isn't going to be forced into anything and there is no such thing as a super division that does not include the Irish. Like it or lump it, that is the reality of the situation.

Also, state politics will preclude this from happening. North Carolina politicos aren't going to allow UNC to prosper and NC State to sink. Similarly, Texas legislators aren't going to allow Texas Tech to go by the wayside....and on and on.

This is going to be what it always has been in college athletics - a series of loose alliances, not a unified, organized megaleague.

Just make the conference championship games - for the leagues that have them - AQ games. Then add three wild card entries with no more than two teams from any one league eligible for the eight team playoff. I know people will respond to that by saying, "Let the best teams in," and in spirit I absolutely agree with that sentiment. However, this this is the real world and this whole deal has never been about merit and it never will be. Rather it is all about straight cash, homey and it always will be. As such, you need to spread the wealth as much as possible to keep everyone on board.

One way to change that is to just pool all of the money together and distribute it evenly among all P5 teams. If they did that then you really could get away with putting the best eight teams in. However, that is never going to happen so you are going to have to adopt the other model or you are going to very shortly have all kinds of unhappy campers and, as they say, that dog won't hunt.

(12-12-2013 10:54 PM)Wolfman Wrote:  I'd say 2-3 years to work out the bugs. The playoffs are where the money is so expansion is coming. I wouldn't be surprised to see the CCGs dropped in favor of another round. I also wouldn't be surprised to see (as someone else noted) a second playoff to replace the remaining bowls.

2-3 years of being screwed by the system before the B12 realizes its has to expand to 12 and a CCG.,,

I say give it 5 years and then the playoffs will expand to 8 teams. 10 more years and it will be at 16.

(12-12-2013 10:29 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(12-12-2013 09:28 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(12-12-2013 09:15 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(12-12-2013 08:51 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(12-12-2013 06:59 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  Agreed.

I don't see why they couldn't have kept the system as it is but had a National Championship game on a neutral site instead of a double hosting model and 6 BCS bowls for additional access points.

Call it something else than the BCS to avoid lawsuits.

What???? 2 teams is a complete joke. You don't know who the 2 best teams are and it's simply arrogance to think you do based on such limited information. I mean, 4 OOC games, one of which is against FCS, 2 against mediocre or middling FBS schools and only 1 good FBS school. The rest of the year you're playing other conference teams which tells you nothing about how you compare with OOC teams. There's not enough information there. That should be obvious.

Computers.

Computers can't create information out of such limited data any more than people can. Nice try, though.

That is why they have 8 of them and removed the highest and lowest ranking.

And they are still worthless.

What computer fans fail to realize is that there is not enough of a sample size to compare teams between conferences.

Sure, FSU dominated the ACC, but playing Idaho, Bethune-Cookman, a Florida team that had just lost to an FCS team, and a bad Nevada team tells us nothing about how they compare to other leagues.

Yes, they beat a SEC team, but so did most of the SEC.

FSU may be the best team in the country, but there is no way to prove it based on computers.