(12-13-2013 09:08 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  There is no rumor. just a statement by a reporter that they were looking into expansion, but didn't have the votes to do it. As for UCF/USF they are twins. one has cuter dimples and the other better hair.

Could have not said it better!

+1

Neither. The Big XII has no compelling need to expand at this time. If the desire was there to expand, I doubt either Florida school is in their top group of targets.

(12-12-2013 09:45 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(12-12-2013 03:55 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  

(12-12-2013 02:13 PM)john01992 Wrote:  I think the conclusion to draw from this:

if the b12 wants to do this right.......take both schools

I am a huge proponent of these 2 schools to the b12 because WVU needs a florida school much more than it needs an ohio school

I do not think the Big12 cares much what WVU needs. WVU knew coming in they would be on an island.

true....

however no one really knew just how big of a problem the island status would be for wvu

Well they should have known what was involved. WVU has been a nice addition, but I don't think the other schools are willing to make sacrifices just to accomodate WVU.

(12-13-2013 07:09 AM)NestaKnight1 Wrote:  

(12-12-2013 09:46 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-12-2013 05:42 PM)NestaKnight1 Wrote:  

(12-12-2013 02:42 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-12-2013 02:23 PM)Tallgrass Wrote:  UCF. I have been to three Tulsa/UCF games. Orlando, a big city in my books, has a small college town atmosphere surrounding and supporting UCF. UCF is "their" (Orlando's) university.

There is more interest in the Gators, and even more interest in the Seminoles, in Orlando than there is in UCF. UCF "owns" Orlando like Temple owns Philly.

Simply not true, UCF outdrew UF in TV ratings when both games were airing at the same time,

There is FAR more interest in Florida than in UCF in Orlando. Good Lord.

Care to back that statement up with some data? You clearly have not been to Orlando for at least 5 years, I'm there daily. I call BS.

Your own coach was so desperate for Knights fans to actually exist in Orlando that he begged Gators fans there to back the Knights anyway. What the hell is a "Gator-Knight"?

I seriously doubt any Florida coach ever went to Orlando and begged people there to be "Knight-Gators".

http://www.bcinterruption.com/2011/8/1/2...ks-stadium

for the record ISU is an established school. no offense to UCF & USF fans but a conference would sell one of you out for the chance to land them.

as for who is better know today outside the state of florida (between UCF & USF)

personally id say UCF.

I think its more academic than anything because they have such a large alumni base/student body that you see more references to them in general. (although their current BCS bid will help)

while USF was in an AQ conference. they were one of the newest AQ members, in the weakest AQ conference and didnt really back up their AQ status athletically to make their name better known.

all in all the big east did very little to promote USFs brand as syracuse, uconn, wvu, pitt miami & later ciny/Lville/rutgers were the names most associated with that conference. and again ==> this was a sixteen team conference that had another 10-12 more names associated with it due to conference realignment. For a school like USF it is very easy to get buried in that conference with the media

(12-13-2013 11:10 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-13-2013 07:09 AM)NestaKnight1 Wrote:  

(12-12-2013 09:46 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-12-2013 05:42 PM)NestaKnight1 Wrote:  

(12-12-2013 02:42 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  There is more interest in the Gators, and even more interest in the Seminoles, in Orlando than there is in UCF. UCF "owns" Orlando like Temple owns Philly.

Simply not true, UCF outdrew UF in TV ratings when both games were airing at the same time,

There is FAR more interest in Florida than in UCF in Orlando. Good Lord.

Care to back that statement up with some data? You clearly have not been to Orlando for at least 5 years, I'm there daily. I call BS.

Your own coach was so desperate for Knights fans to actually exist in Orlando that he begged Gators fans there to back the Knights anyway. What the hell is a "Gator-Knight"?

I seriously doubt any Florida coach ever went to Orlando and begged people there to be "Knight-Gators".

http://www.bcinterruption.com/2011/8/1/2...ks-stadium

Laugh all you want, however the mayor of Tampa was wearing UCF gear, and the UCF flag flew over Tampa's city hall. Now that's damn funny. GOL was trying to put fannies in seats while trying to make in-roads into UF and FSU casual fans being converted to UCF fans. Of course that was two years ago as well. Anyway you try to spin it UCF has more success winning conference championships. I'll wait for your spin. Keep in mind you can only beat the team that is placed in front of you on the football field. BTW, how many conference championships has USF won anyway (don't answer that was a rhetorical question) the answer is USF zero, UCF three.

(12-12-2013 09:49 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-12-2013 02:02 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(12-12-2013 01:36 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-12-2013 01:23 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  What rumors? I have not heard any of that where I live......in the heart of Big12 country. I know Cincy fans are desperate to get in the Big12, but don't think posting on a message board will change anything.

Dude, the PURPOSE of this board is as a place for desperate fans from left-out schools to air baseless, speculative rumors about some Power conference looking to expand and Hey, Here's Why it Will Be My School that gets The Call.

That's not the purpose of this board at all. Although that's what many seem to think. But the real purpose of this board is to speculate about what possible moves there might be in any expansion scenarios, or to discussion the implications of moves that have already been made.

But this board was not created to give those who feel left out a place to advertise for their chosen school. But there are a bunch of people, yourself included it seems, that feel that that is the sole purpose of this board. It isn't.

Is there some kind of "smilie" that could indicate my sarcasm sailing a mile above your head?

cuse broke my sarcasm meter months ago. But I think it happened while you were still banned. So you had no way of knowing. I'm still feeling the jet lag a bit too.

(12-12-2013 04:04 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  If I were UCF I would immediately change my name to the University of Orlando. I truly think that would be a smart move for that university as it would greatly differentiate them from USF from a branding perspective.

I'm not sure the state would allow them to change their name. They might. I don't know. But I don't think that is UCF's decision to make.

(12-12-2013 05:42 PM)NestaKnight1 Wrote:  

(12-12-2013 02:42 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-12-2013 02:23 PM)Tallgrass Wrote:  UCF. I have been to three Tulsa/UCF games. Orlando, a big city in my books, has a small college town atmosphere surrounding and supporting UCF. UCF is "their" (Orlando's) university.

There is more interest in the Gators, and even more interest in the Seminoles, in Orlando than there is in UCF. UCF "owns" Orlando like Temple owns Philly.

Simply not true, UCF outdrew UF in TV ratings when both games were airing at the same time, if you're referring to 10 years ago maybe, today not even close. Orlando is UCF's town. I will agree with you, however, in that both FSU and UF are more popular in Tampa than USF is.

So UCF outdrew UF at some point this season, during UCF's best season ever and UF's worst season in 35 years?

I'd like to see some data as well. Would be interesting to see.

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I don't see how anyone could honestly take one over the other. They're very similar to me. You also shouldn't judge UCF just off this one season.

(12-13-2013 12:05 PM)john01992 Wrote:  while USF was in an AQ conference. they were one of the newest AQ members, in the weakest AQ conference and didnt really back up their AQ status athletically to make their name better known.

Actually, USF had some really good moments during our AQ period in the Big East. We were a very important representative of the conference, going to bowl games 6 times and winning 4 of them. Only Rutgers, WVA, and Cincinnati won that many bowls during the same time.

Additionally, USF notched some regular season wins against some very big OOC names, including wins at Miami, Auburn, FSU, and Notre Dame.

USF's failings were primarily within the Big East: Once October arrived and we had to make those 1,000 mile road trips into the cold we tended to fold up. But as far as repping the conference nationally was concerned, we more than held up our end.

(12-13-2013 01:32 PM)NestaKnight1 Wrote:  

(12-13-2013 11:10 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-13-2013 07:09 AM)NestaKnight1 Wrote:  

(12-12-2013 09:46 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-12-2013 05:42 PM)NestaKnight1 Wrote:  Simply not true, UCF outdrew UF in TV ratings when both games were airing at the same time,

There is FAR more interest in Florida than in UCF in Orlando. Good Lord.

Care to back that statement up with some data? You clearly have not been to Orlando for at least 5 years, I'm there daily. I call BS.

Your own coach was so desperate for Knights fans to actually exist in Orlando that he begged Gators fans there to back the Knights anyway. What the hell is a "Gator-Knight"?

I seriously doubt any Florida coach ever went to Orlando and begged people there to be "Knight-Gators".

http://www.bcinterruption.com/2011/8/1/2...ks-stadium

Laugh all you want, however the mayor of Tampa was wearing UCF gear, and the UCF flag flew over Tampa's city hall. Now that's damn funny.

It might be funny, but it's also completely beside the point. Not surprising, since the point showed that UCF owns Orlando at about the same level that Temple owns Philly, i.e., not at all.

(12-12-2013 02:13 PM)john01992 Wrote:  I think the conclusion to draw from this:

if the b12 wants to do this right.......take both schools

Allowing Eastern Division schools to play in Central Florida every year. On the "star" rankings this year, the top tier of the recruiting ladder is California, Texas, Georgia and Florida, with the second tier of Louisiana, Alabama, Virginia and Ohio (see, for instance, B/R's top ten 2014 5star/4star players by state).

The problem with adding UC, UCF & USF is they don't add enough TV sets, which is why the chance of that set of schools being added by the Big12 takes a dramatic step up if the Church of the Latter Day Saints decides that having BYU in the Big12 would better serve their proselytizing mission than keeping BYU independent does. They will surely realize that BYU is never joining the PAC-#, so if they elect to pursue P5 football, its Big-12 or bust.

(12-14-2013 12:54 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(12-12-2013 02:13 PM)john01992 Wrote:  I think the conclusion to draw from this:

if the b12 wants to do this right.......take both schools

Allowing Eastern Division schools to play in Central Florida every year. On the "star" rankings this year, the top tier of the recruiting ladder is California, Texas, Georgia and Florida, with the second tier of Louisiana, Alabama, Virginia and Ohio (see, for instance, B/R's top ten 2014 5star/4star players by state).

The problem with adding UC, UCF & USF is they don't add enough TV sets, which is why the chance of that set of schools being added by the Big12 takes a dramatic step up if the Church of the Latter Day Saints decides that having BYU in the Big12 would better serve their proselytizing mission than keeping BYU independent does. They will surely realize that BYU is never joining the PAC-#, so if they elect to pursue P5 football, its Big-12 or bust.

Adding a Florida school doesn't guarantee Florida recruiting. Its already pretty crowded there. Everyone east of the Mississippi recruits Florida.

(12-14-2013 10:21 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(12-14-2013 12:54 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(12-12-2013 02:13 PM)john01992 Wrote:  I think the conclusion to draw from this:

if the b12 wants to do this right.......take both schools

Allowing Eastern Division schools to play in Central Florida every year. On the "star" rankings this year, the top tier of the recruiting ladder is California, Texas, Georgia and Florida, with the second tier of Louisiana, Alabama, Virginia and Ohio (see, for instance, B/R's top ten 2014 5star/4star players by state).

The problem with adding UC, UCF & USF is they don't add enough TV sets, which is why the chance of that set of schools being added by the Big12 takes a dramatic step up if the Church of the Latter Day Saints decides that having BYU in the Big12 would better serve their proselytizing mission than keeping BYU independent does. They will surely realize that BYU is never joining the PAC-#, so if they elect to pursue P5 football, its Big-12 or bust.

Adding a Florida school doesn't guarantee Florida recruiting. Its already pretty crowded there. Everyone east of Nevada recruits Florida.

FIFY.

The B12 already recruits Florida, adding the U_F's just makes landing the kids easier.

(12-14-2013 12:54 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(12-12-2013 02:13 PM)john01992 Wrote:  I think the conclusion to draw from this:

if the b12 wants to do this right.......take both schools

Allowing Eastern Division schools to play in Central Florida every year. On the "star" rankings this year, the top tier of the recruiting ladder is California, Texas, Georgia and Florida, with the second tier of Louisiana, Alabama, Virginia and Ohio (see, for instance, B/R's top ten 2014 5star/4star players by state).

The problem with adding UC, UCF & USF is they don't add enough TV sets, which is why the chance of that set of schools being added by the Big12 takes a dramatic step up if the Church of the Latter Day Saints decides that having BYU in the Big12 would better serve their proselytizing mission than keeping BYU independent does. They will surely realize that BYU is never joining the PAC-#, so if they elect to pursue P5 football, its Big-12 or bust.

Don't add enough TV sets? Tampa is the 13 largest TV market and Orlando is the 19th largest, however, together they make up the 4th largest TV market. The problem isn't TV sets, its eyeballs on TV sets. UCF is doing fairly well with "eyes on," USF will turn the corner once they put a competitive product back on the field. TV markets and the rivalry aspect make this an interesting option. That's why I believe the two schools together make more sense. I believe the hierarchy is; BYU, UC then UCF and USF. If it was going to be one over the other, I'd lean towards UCF with the OCS, and investment in infrastructure (campus and athlectic villiage are gorgeous), plus they generally put a good product on the field.

(12-14-2013 01:04 PM)NestaKnight1 Wrote:  

(12-14-2013 12:54 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(12-12-2013 02:13 PM)john01992 Wrote:  I think the conclusion to draw from this:

if the b12 wants to do this right.......take both schools

Allowing Eastern Division schools to play in Central Florida every year. On the "star" rankings this year, the top tier of the recruiting ladder is California, Texas, Georgia and Florida, with the second tier of Louisiana, Alabama, Virginia and Ohio (see, for instance, B/R's top ten 2014 5star/4star players by state).

The problem with adding UC, UCF & USF is they don't add enough TV sets, which is why the chance of that set of schools being added by the Big12 takes a dramatic step up if the Church of the Latter Day Saints decides that having BYU in the Big12 would better serve their proselytizing mission than keeping BYU independent does. They will surely realize that BYU is never joining the PAC-#, so if they elect to pursue P5 football, its Big-12 or bust.

Don't add enough TV sets? Tampa is the 13 largest TV market and Orlando is the 19th largest, however, together they make up the 4th largest TV market. The problem isn't TV sets, its eyeballs on TV sets.

Yep, and that fundamental point is missed by 90% of the posters around here who talk about "markets".

(12-14-2013 01:06 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-14-2013 01:04 PM)NestaKnight1 Wrote:  

(12-14-2013 12:54 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(12-12-2013 02:13 PM)john01992 Wrote:  I think the conclusion to draw from this:

if the b12 wants to do this right.......take both schools

Allowing Eastern Division schools to play in Central Florida every year. On the "star" rankings this year, the top tier of the recruiting ladder is California, Texas, Georgia and Florida, with the second tier of Louisiana, Alabama, Virginia and Ohio (see, for instance, B/R's top ten 2014 5star/4star players by state).

The problem with adding UC, UCF & USF is they don't add enough TV sets, which is why the chance of that set of schools being added by the Big12 takes a dramatic step up if the Church of the Latter Day Saints decides that having BYU in the Big12 would better serve their proselytizing mission than keeping BYU independent does. They will surely realize that BYU is never joining the PAC-#, so if they elect to pursue P5 football, its Big-12 or bust.

Don't add enough TV sets? Tampa is the 13 largest TV market and Orlando is the 19th largest, however, together they make up the 4th largest TV market. The problem isn't TV sets, its eyeballs on TV sets.

Yep, and that fundamental point is missed by 90% of the posters around here who talk about "markets".

And that is going to turn into a huge problem for some conferences when cable television goes to a la carte. This will happen within the next 5 years. ESPN won't be in 100 million homes if they're charging 150 bucks a year (or more). People are simply going to continue to drop cable as internet offerings get better. Here's a nasty fact. 100 million people don't watch college sports...and they're not going to pay 150 a year to watch it once cable goes unbundled.

In an eyeball situation, its hard to see what the conferences do, because money is gonna get tight. If I'm a BCS conference, I want long term money from ESPN, because this can't continue to go up as it has been.

We're already seeing softness in support for college football in response to high prices. Attendance is down pretty much across the board in BCS land.

Aereo is gonna hit some of the conferences hard. All that's missing are a few internet channels, such as a news channel and some entertainment channels. Once one starts up and gets the ball rolling, watch people run for the exits on their $1200 year cable contracts. And watch the number of internet channels dwarf the content available on corded cable. And that will expose a few programs and a few conferences.

As far as the Big XII goes, I think they take no one. But if they take UC and someone else, I'd guess they'd go for the BYU eyeballs. Between UCF and USF, I'd say...USF, just because they seem to hold support while losing, which is pretty good. But they are probably interchangeable from a financial perspective.

(12-12-2013 01:36 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-12-2013 01:23 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  What rumors? I have not heard any of that where I live......in the heart of Big12 country. I know Cincy fans are desperate to get in the Big12, but don't think posting on a message board will change anything.

Dude, the PURPOSE of this board is as a place for desperate fans from left-out schools to air baseless, speculative rumors about some Power conference looking to expand and Hey, Here's Why it Will Be My School that gets The Call.

There is nothing baseless.

Georgia State to ACC is coming!




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