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What do we know about how things came down?
My hunch, with help, is that Babers seemingly had cold feet...

This, of course, would make Creighton a "Plan B" hire.

The 'dynamics' with Babers would be, I guess, that a). He has a very good job now b). Really wants to win a national championship at EIU and c). He may be able pick and choose among other possibilities. (If I were an AD at BG, Ark. State, etc. I'd look very hard at him).

I'm sure most folks deal with the issue: Is a promotion a good or bad career move?

My guess is that he'll keep looking for his 'dream [FBS] job'. Maybe a job where the program is built (e.g., the two examples I cite above).

I'm awaiting as more rumors come out the 'final days' of the coaching search. The word should start trickling out soon, I'd think.
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RE: What do we know about how things came down?
(12-12-2013 05:17 AM)emu steve Wrote:  My hunch, with help, is that Babers seemingly had cold feet...

This, of course, would make Creighton a "Plan B" hire.

The 'dynamics' with Babers would be, I guess, that a). He has a very good job now b). Really wants to win a national championship at EIU and c). He may be able pick and choose among other possibilities. (If I were an AD at BG, Ark. State, etc. I'd look very hard at him).

I'm sure most folks deal with the issue: Is a promotion a good or bad career move?

My guess is that he'll keep looking for his 'dream [FBS] job'. Maybe a job where the program is built (e.g., the two examples I cite above).

I'm awaiting as more rumors come out the 'final days' of the coaching search. The word should start trickling out soon, I'd think.

I agree. But I wonder if Wristen also got cold feet. Who knows, maybe even other guy(s) did as well. Was Creighton truely Plan B?
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RE: What do we know about how things came down?
http://www.freep.com/article/20131211/SP...-creighton

This article is only TANGENTLY related to this thread, i.e., what EMU sought (in addition to the requirement of HC experience):

"Creighton, a well-respected, straight-shooting coach known for his poise and not allowing players to use foul language, turned in a memorable six-year career with Drake, a Football Championship Subdivision program." (emphasis mine).

This sentence seems, to me, to cut two ways:

1). He apparently has a different locker room persona than English. Big +. EMU must have wanted a HC with a reputation for decorum.

2). This is more of a question than a statement: Were there a lot of problems on the team with behavior which needs to be cleaned up? All teams have problems to a varying degree. If so, presumably Creighton the man to clean things up. I would think...
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RE: What do we know about how things came down?
(12-12-2013 06:53 AM)AlwaysAHuron Wrote:  
(12-12-2013 05:17 AM)emu steve Wrote:  My hunch, with help, is that Babers seemingly had cold feet...

This, of course, would make Creighton a "Plan B" hire.

The 'dynamics' with Babers would be, I guess, that a). He has a very good job now b). Really wants to win a national championship at EIU and c). He may be able pick and choose among other possibilities. (If I were an AD at BG, Ark. State, etc. I'd look very hard at him).

I'm sure most folks deal with the issue: Is a promotion a good or bad career move?

My guess is that he'll keep looking for his 'dream [FBS] job'. Maybe a job where the program is built (e.g., the two examples I cite above).

I'm awaiting as more rumors come out the 'final days' of the coaching search. The word should start trickling out soon, I'd think.

I agree. But I wonder if Wristen also got cold feet. Who knows, maybe even other guy(s) did as well. Was Creighton truely Plan B?

I'm trying to get word out of Ypsi on Wristen, but a bunch of EMU insiders (folks who are part of the EMU family) apparently reported the word 'baggage' for Wristen was tossed about.

Tying this back to Creighton:

I'm now thinking that EMU, after the English bad publicity, wanted a coach with decorum, no baggage and the ability to run a good, clean program.

My read is that Creighton is squeaky clean and that apparently played very, very well with the powers to be at EMU.
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I believe this is the baggage people are referring to; http://www.bruinsnation.com/2006/2/16/16569/6348
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RE: What do we know about how things came down?
(12-12-2013 07:09 AM)emu steve Wrote:  
(12-12-2013 06:53 AM)AlwaysAHuron Wrote:  
(12-12-2013 05:17 AM)emu steve Wrote:  My hunch, with help, is that Babers seemingly had cold feet...

This, of course, would make Creighton a "Plan B" hire.

The 'dynamics' with Babers would be, I guess, that a). He has a very good job now b). Really wants to win a national championship at EIU and c). He may be able pick and choose among other possibilities. (If I were an AD at BG, Ark. State, etc. I'd look very hard at him).

I'm sure most folks deal with the issue: Is a promotion a good or bad career move?

My guess is that he'll keep looking for his 'dream [FBS] job'. Maybe a job where the program is built (e.g., the two examples I cite above).

I'm awaiting as more rumors come out the 'final days' of the coaching search. The word should start trickling out soon, I'd think.

I agree. But I wonder if Wristen also got cold feet. Who knows, maybe even other guy(s) did as well. Was Creighton truely Plan B?

I'm trying to get word out of Ypsi on Wristen, but a bunch of EMU insiders (folks who are part of the EMU family) apparently reported the word 'baggage' for Wristen was tossed about.

Tying this back to Creighton:

I'm now thinking that EMU, after the English bad publicity, wanted a coach with decorum, no baggage and the ability to run a good, clean program.

My read is that Creighton is squeaky clean and that apparently played very, very well with the powers to be at EMU.

I'm beginning to think Creighton was Plan A. Drake University's website and Wikipedia page were already listing a new coach as of 8:00 P.M. yesterday. Drake had already interviewed and promoted Rick Fox as the new coach before Creighton was even announced as EMU coach.
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RE: What do we know about how things came down?
Whether he was plan A or not its clear serious talks with him began several days ago. The hire at Drake and website were updated at the same time info leaked about Creighton. The fact that it was so hush hush tends to prove that as well. As other guys try to drum up interest in themselves by leaking stuff Crieghton kept it quiet.
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RE: What do we know about how things came down?
Here's the scoop.
Two Ohio State assistants turned it down - Plan A
Our AD hires a search Committee targeted candidates, Babers, Wristen and a few others lack of interest from them and then they came back and said it was going to take more time, but she had already publicly stated a deadline - Plan B
Our AD then turned to .... wait for it..... Jim Tressel for a recommendation and poof We hire Coach Creighton.
So we go from a Lloyd Carr recommendation to a Jim Tressel one.
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RE: What do we know about how things came down?
(12-12-2013 02:50 PM)Ninkonpoopersnap Wrote:  Here's the scoop.
Two Ohio State assistants turned it down - Plan A
Our AD hires a search Committee targeted candidates, Babers, Wristen and a few others lack of interest from them and then they came back and said it was going to take more time, but she had already publicly stated a deadline - Plan B
Our AD then turned to .... wait for it..... Jim Tressel for a recommendation and poof We hire Coach Creighton.
So we go from a Lloyd Carr recommendation to a Jim Tressel one.

Ahhh, the old plan C. I wonder how Tressel knows him
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(12-12-2013 04:03 PM)EMUDirtyBird Wrote:  
(12-12-2013 02:50 PM)Ninkonpoopersnap Wrote:  Here's the scoop.
Two Ohio State assistants turned it down - Plan A
Our AD hires a search Committee targeted candidates, Babers, Wristen and a few others lack of interest from them and then they came back and said it was going to take more time, but she had already publicly stated a deadline - Plan B
Our AD then turned to .... wait for it..... Jim Tressel for a recommendation and poof We hire Coach Creighton.
So we go from a Lloyd Carr recommendation to a Jim Tressel one.

Ahhh, the old plan C. I wonder how Tressel knows him

I assuming you are serious...

What this tells me: EMU wanted the 'best man' for the job.

It could be a big time FBS school assistant coach/coordinator OR a FCS HC or a D-II HC or a FCS, non-scholarship league HC.

Which is smart. This idea of saying the best candidate is: 1). HC. 2). strong recruiting background 3). whatever is probably not a good criterion.

The 'best man' is the 'best man' and that doesn't mean using rigid criteria.

I would not be surprised that Tressel would know him. Tressel, remember, was a FCS coach not that many years ago. and coaches know coaches.
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(12-12-2013 02:50 PM)Ninkonpoopersnap Wrote:  Here's the scoop.
Two Ohio State assistants turned it down - Plan A
Our AD hires a search Committee targeted candidates, Babers, Wristen and a few others lack of interest from them and then they came back and said it was going to take more time, but she had already publicly stated a deadline - Plan B
Our AD then turned to .... wait for it..... Jim Tressel for a recommendation and poof We hire Coach Creighton.
So we go from a Lloyd Carr recommendation to a Jim Tressel one.

BTW. I had posted in the myriad of posts on hiring a new HC that the hire would be announced end of week. I believe I had heard today through a Ypsi source. (I think the post might have been done Monday).

This is certainly consistent with your statement about a deadline to 'say yes' and apparently some candidate(s), maybe Babers, was 'unable' to say yes in a timely manner which opened up the offer for Creighton.

P.S. I wouldn't be surprised that Fickell and the QB/OC (?) coach would turn EMU down.

BTW, I'd consider a recommendation from Tressel a +. He knows college football.
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RE: What do we know about how things came down?
(12-12-2013 05:24 PM)emu steve Wrote:  
(12-12-2013 02:50 PM)Ninkonpoopersnap Wrote:  Here's the scoop.
Two Ohio State assistants turned it down - Plan A
Our AD hires a search Committee targeted candidates, Babers, Wristen and a few others lack of interest from them and then they came back and said it was going to take more time, but she had already publicly stated a deadline - Plan B
Our AD then turned to .... wait for it..... Jim Tressel for a recommendation and poof We hire Coach Creighton.
So we go from a Lloyd Carr recommendation to a Jim Tressel one.

BTW. I had posted in the myriad of posts on hiring a new HC that the hire would be announced end of week. I believe I had heard today through a Ypsi source. (I think the post might have been done Monday).

This is certainly consistent with your statement about a deadline to 'say yes' and apparently some candidate(s), maybe Babers, was 'unable' to say yes in a timely manner which opened up the offer for Creighton.

P.S. I wouldn't be surprised that Fickell and the QB/OC (?) coach would turn EMU down.

BTW, I'd consider a recommendation from Tressel a +. He knows college football.

Fickle makes almost $800K at OSU. Going to be a MAC HC would be a huge pay cut with a lot more responsibility.
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(12-12-2013 04:03 PM)EMUDirtyBird Wrote:  
(12-12-2013 02:50 PM)Ninkonpoopersnap Wrote:  Here's the scoop.
Two Ohio State assistants turned it down - Plan A
O. AD hires a search Committee targeted candidates, Babers, Wristen and a few others lack of interest from them and then they came back and said it was going to take more time, but she had already publicly stated a deadline - Plan B
Our AD then turned to .... wait for it..... Jim Tressel for a recommendation and poof We hire Coach Creighton.
So we go from a Lloyd Carr recommendation to a Jim Tressel one.

Ahhh, the old plan C. I wonder how Tressel knows him

They both played QB at small colleges in Ohio. They both coach FCS. Also, Kenyon, where CC was a QB, has a famous men's swimming team/cosch having won something like 32 consecutive DIII championships. Tressel used to take the Buckeyes to Kenyon to see that coach for motivation.
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(12-12-2013 07:09 AM)emu steve Wrote:  
(12-12-2013 06:53 AM)AlwaysAHuron Wrote:  
(12-12-2013 05:17 AM)emu steve Wrote:  My hunch, with help, is that Babers seemingly had cold feet...

This, of course, would make Creighton a "Plan B" hire.

The 'dynamics' with Babers would be, I guess, that a). He has a very good job now b). Really wants to win a national championship at EIU and c). He may be able pick and choose among other possibilities. (If I were an AD at BG, Ark. State, etc. I'd look very hard at him).

I'm sure most folks deal with the issue: Is a promotion a good or bad career move?

My guess is that he'll keep looking for his 'dream [FBS] job'. Maybe a job where the program is built (e.g., the two examples I cite above).

I'm awaiting as more rumors come out the 'final days' of the coaching search. The word should start trickling out soon, I'd think.

I agree. But I wonder if Wristen also got cold feet. Who knows, maybe even other guy(s) did as well. Was Creighton truely Plan B?

I'm trying to get word out of Ypsi on Wristen, but a bunch of EMU insiders (folks who are part of the EMU family) apparently reported the word 'baggage' for Wristen was tossed about.

Tying this back to Creighton:

I'm now thinking that EMU, after the English bad publicity, wanted a coach with decorum, no baggage and the ability to run a good, clean program.

My read is that Creighton is squeaky clean and that apparently played very, very well with the powers to be at EMU.

So our primary reasons for hiring said coach are not football related? Awesome. Those kinds of hires usually work out well (e.g., Fleck).
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Dear holybovine,
I don't think those are the primary reasons, but as ancillary, they can be very important to the overall program.
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(12-12-2013 09:49 PM)Ken Barna Wrote:  Dear holybovine,
I don't think those are the primary reasons, but as ancillary, they can be very important to the overall program.

Fair enough.

I'm extremely concerned with Coach Creighton's ability to recruit and his ability to hire quality assistants, but he's an Eagle now and has my full support.
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