Once folks get used to the new playoff format, the next logical step beyond the 4 team playoff is to add a play-in game for teams that did not win their CCG.

So in this year's case, you could make a case that the 4th team could be BAMA or Baylor, but since neither one played in a CCG, they should have a play-in game between Bama and Baylor to determine the 4th team.

Last year, you could have Notre Dame play someone like Oregon in the play-in game.

the 4th team would be Michigan St. Sorry but Bama would be #3. Playing in a CCG is not a requirement for the playoffs and will never be a requirement for being in the playoffs. PERIOD.

(12-10-2013 08:26 PM)stever20 Wrote:  the 4th team would be Michigan St. Sorry but Bama would be #3. Playing in a CCG is not a requirement for the playoffs and will never be a requirement for being in the playoffs. PERIOD.

You missed the point of the play-in game. MSU had to play an extra game. Bama and Baylor should have to play an extra game to get into the final 4. Hence the play-in game.

except the CCG isn't a requirement. and will never be a requirement.

(12-11-2013 12:24 AM)stever20 Wrote:  except the CCG isn't a requirement. and will never be a requirement.

But the CCG will be an auto-bid when the playoffs get to 8, 16, 20, 24 teams. Which it will.

(12-11-2013 08:26 AM)curtis0620 Wrote:  

(12-11-2013 12:24 AM)stever20 Wrote:  except the CCG isn't a requirement. and will never be a requirement.

But the CCG will be an auto-bid when the playoffs get to 8, 16, 20, 24 teams. Which it will.

Except that it won't. It's the conference champion that would get an auto-bid.

The next logical step is to go to 8 teams.

7 games will be twice as valuable to TV as 3 games.

The structure is already in place. We have 7 games now. Four of them just don't count. Imagine if the four non-semifinal bowls were actually quarterfinals.

(12-11-2013 09:18 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  The next logical step is to go to 8 teams.

7 games will be twice as valuable to TV as 3 games.

The structure is already in place. We have 7 games now. Four of them just don't count. Imagine if the four non-semifinal bowls were actually quarterfinals.

2013 Playoffs:

Autobids:
Florida St. (ACC)
Auburn (SEC)
Michigan St. (B1G)
Stanford (P12)
Baylor (B12)
UCF (G5)

At-Large:
Alabama (3)
Ohio St. (7)

Round 1:
A. Florida St. v. UCF
B. Auburn v. Ohio St.
C. Alabama v. Baylor
D. Michigan St. v. Stanford

Semis:
Game A winner v. Game D winner
Game B winner v. Game C winner

Should Round 1 be played on New Year's Day/Eve or the week after the CCGs (i.e., this weekend)? Should Round 1 be played at campus sites or bowl games?

(12-11-2013 08:55 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(12-11-2013 08:26 AM)curtis0620 Wrote:  

(12-11-2013 12:24 AM)stever20 Wrote:  except the CCG isn't a requirement. and will never be a requirement.

But the CCG will be an auto-bid when the playoffs get to 8, 16, 20, 24 teams. Which it will.

Except that it won't. It's the conference champion that would get an auto-bid.

That's what I said. The CCG winner will get an auto-bid.

(12-11-2013 09:25 AM)orangefan Wrote:  

(12-11-2013 09:18 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  The next logical step is to go to 8 teams.

7 games will be twice as valuable to TV as 3 games.

The structure is already in place. We have 7 games now. Four of them just don't count. Imagine if the four non-semifinal bowls were actually quarterfinals.

2013 Playoffs:

Autobids:
Florida St. (ACC)
Auburn (SEC)
Michigan St. (B1G)
Stanford (P12)
Baylor (B12)
UCF (G5)

At-Large:
Alabama (3)
Ohio St. (7)

Round 1:
A. Florida St. v. UCF
B. Auburn v. Ohio St.
C. Alabama v. Baylor
D. Michigan St. v. Stanford

Semis:
Game A winner v. Game D winner
Game B winner v. Game C winner

Should Round 1 be played on New Year's Day/Eve or the week after the CCGs (i.e., this weekend)? Should Round 1 be played at campus sites or bowl games?

Then it goes to 12 or 20-teams with the MWC, MAC, CUSA & SBC champs playing in a first round game to get to 8 or 16.

(12-11-2013 09:50 AM)curtis0620 Wrote:  

(12-11-2013 08:55 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(12-11-2013 08:26 AM)curtis0620 Wrote:  

(12-11-2013 12:24 AM)stever20 Wrote:  except the CCG isn't a requirement. and will never be a requirement.

But the CCG will be an auto-bid when the playoffs get to 8, 16, 20, 24 teams. Which it will.

Except that it won't. It's the conference champion that would get an auto-bid.

That's what I said. The CCG winner will get an auto-bid.

Baylor this year would have just as much of an auto-bid as anyone else.

(12-11-2013 08:26 AM)curtis0620 Wrote:  

(12-11-2013 12:24 AM)stever20 Wrote:  except the CCG isn't a requirement. and will never be a requirement.

But the CCG will be an auto-bid when the playoffs get to 8, 16, 20, 24 teams. Which it will.

8 maybe....16, 20, 24 not likely. The little conferences would like to have their champ included, but that is what the big boys have been against from day one....that is letting football become like basketball.

IMO there is no way this willl ever happen.....if there is anything that would cause a split by the BCS schools that would be it.

I can see an expansion to an 8 game playoff, particularly since there would be a very limited number of teams that have to play many extra games. 4 teams would play an additional game beyond potential CCG appearances, making them like any other CCG runner-up that plays in another bowl. 2 more would have 2 extra games, and only the finalists would have 3 - so the impact on academics and/or health would be limited.

I would foresee it being a 5+3 however, with the ACC, B1G, SEC, Big 12, and PAC getting the autobids, and the G5 and independents competing for the 3 wildcards along with P5 contenders. I also think that it should be limited to 2 per conference max, which would help keep the regular season meaningful by not exposing conference champions to more than one intraconference rematch.

Down the road I could see four 20 team leagues. Each league would have a division of 10 schools and play a 9 game round robin schedule in their division. Each league would then host a CCG against the other division for a spot in the 4 team playoff. The conference championship games would create a defacto 8 team playoff. It keeps the regular season relevant, and allows schools to schedule 3 OOC games to protect rivalry games like FSU/Florida and Clemson/SC if they are not in the same conference. The big if in this scenario is ND willing forgo independence, I think they would as it would force them to do so.

10 conferences, 10 conference champs. top 6 get bye to quarter finals, bottom 4 play play-in games, 2 winners join top 6 for 8 team quarter finals.

think its too hard win the SEC but feel you "deserve" to be in the top 8? Move to the Sun Belt and dominate it or shut the hell up and figure out how to win your conference.

This settles it all on the field, not in the TV booth. done.

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TCU AD Chris Del Conte: "Do we go from 4 to 8 on playoffs? That's a better question than which conference will expand"

Conference third place games using this season's results:

SEC - Alabama vs South Carolina
ACC - Clemson vs Virginia Tech
B1G - Iowa vs Wisconsin
C-USA - East Carolina vs UTSA
MAC - Buffalo vs Ball State
PAC - Oregon vs UCLA
MW - San Diego State vs Boise State