Okay, what would you do to appeal to a football coach you want? Here is my take.

1) Appeal to their self-confidence. It goes like this, "Others will say you can't be successful here. That you're not up to it and can't do it. Prove them wrong."

2) Appeal to their future goals. "If you can build a program here, there are very few places that won't consider you when you're ready to move on." He'll be able to confidently say that he accomplished more than just about anyone else by building a program at EMU.

3) Appeal to self-determination. Believe it or not, there is a up side to having few (any?) big buck football donors. They tend to meddle and interfere. They have big big bank accounts and bigger egos that need to be stroked. There is nobody at EMU who is going to be so snobby as to say you're not an EMU man.

I wonder what kind of pitch Lyke is making?

(12-10-2013 05:57 PM)ljmhurons Wrote:  I wonder what kind of pitch Lyke is making?

My approach is that both Dr. Martin and AD Lyke come across very well as the type of bosses one would like to work. This is an important factor to many people in a job search. Remember (obviously) he has a good job and can use his intuition as to whether they are the type of administrators he would like to work.

I'm not sure how she portrays it within an interview, but Dr. Martin demonstrates her 100% commitment to having a winning football program. More likely, AD Lyke sells Dr. Martin as 100% committed to successful athletics at EMU.

If I was an AD if be spending my energy with donors, and board members attempting to free up as much cash for salaries and facility improvements. Very easy to attract a coach then.

(12-10-2013 06:04 PM)emu steve Wrote:  

(12-10-2013 05:57 PM)ljmhurons Wrote:  I wonder what kind of pitch Lyke is making?

My approach is that both Dr. Martin and AD Lyke come across very well as the type of bosses one would like to work. This is an important factor to many people in a job search. Remember (obviously) he has a good job and can use his intuition as to whether they are the type of administrators he would like to work.

I'm not sure how she portrays it within an interview, but Dr. Martin demonstrates her 100% commitment to having a winning football program. More likely, AD Lyke sells Dr. Martin as 100% committed to successful athletics at EMU.

Curious about how exactly Dr. Martin demonstrates her 100% commitment to having a winning football program when she's never been a part of a winning football program in any way, shape, or form in her time here at EMU.

I would tell him we can build this together and let him see what the EMU is to football in year 1,2 and 3.. ie.. New lights, scoreboard, lockers, field house, playing field, $$$$$$ for assistances, new football field house and more $$$$$$$..

(12-10-2013 06:38 PM)NUPudge Wrote:  I would tell him we can build this together and let him see what the EMU is to football in year 1,2 and 3.. ie.. New lights, scoreboard, lockers, field house, playing field, $$$$$$ for assistances, new football field house and more $$$$$$$..

Guys, get your check books out.

I would, as I indicated in another thread, fairly and honestly show HIM a plan, both short and longer term, to get these things done.

EMU had a big fund raising which raised a lot of money. I don't know if a small amount, e.g., 3 - 5M, could be allocated for FB facilities? Scoreboard + lighting are smaller items and very visible.

Otherwise, borrow the 3 - 5M from banks pledging future road game guarantees as was done for the Field Turf a number of years ago.

I'm not sure where the money for assistant coaches will come. NIU's loss Friday night, cost each MAC team probably north of 750K in the current fiscal year (as schools' share of a very large BCS payout due NIU and the other MAC schools).

(12-10-2013 06:57 PM)emu steve Wrote:  

(12-10-2013 06:38 PM)NUPudge Wrote:  I would tell him we can build this together and let him see what the EMU is to football in year 1,2 and 3.. ie.. New lights, scoreboard, lockers, field house, playing field, $$$$$$ for assistances, new football field house and more $$$$$$$..

Guys, get your check books out.

I would, as I indicated in another thread, fairly and honestly show HIM a plan, both short and longer term, to get these things done.

EMU had a big fund raising which raised a lot of money. I don't know if a small amount, e.g., 3 - 5M, could be allocated for FB facilities? Scoreboard + lighting are smaller items and very visible.

Otherwise, borrow the 3 - 5M from banks pledging future road game guarantees as was done for the Field Turf a number of years ago.

I'm not sure where the money for assistant coaches will come. NIU's loss Friday night, cost each MAC team probably north of 750K in the current fiscal year (as schools' share of a very large BCS payout due NIU and the other MAC schools).

Yep. I tried to tell you guys that NIU's loss hurt in more ways than one.

(12-10-2013 07:12 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  

(12-10-2013 06:57 PM)emu steve Wrote:  

(12-10-2013 06:38 PM)NUPudge Wrote:  I would tell him we can build this together and let him see what the EMU is to football in year 1,2 and 3.. ie.. New lights, scoreboard, lockers, field house, playing field, $$$$$$ for assistances, new football field house and more $$$$$$$..

Guys, get your check books out.

I would, as I indicated in another thread, fairly and honestly show HIM a plan, both short and longer term, to get these things done.

EMU had a big fund raising which raised a lot of money. I don't know if a small amount, e.g., 3 - 5M, could be allocated for FB facilities? Scoreboard + lighting are smaller items and very visible.

Otherwise, borrow the 3 - 5M from banks pledging future road game guarantees as was done for the Field Turf a number of years ago.

I'm not sure where the money for assistant coaches will come. NIU's loss Friday night, cost each MAC team probably north of 750K in the current fiscal year (as schools' share of a very large BCS payout due NIU and the other MAC schools).

Yep. I tried to tell you guys that NIU's loss hurt in more ways than one.

Yeah and you were correct!!!!!

(12-10-2013 05:57 PM)ljmhurons Wrote:  Okay, what would you do to appeal to a football coach you want? Here is my take.

1) Appeal to their self-confidence. It goes like this, "Others will say you can't be successful here. That you're not up to it and can't do it. Prove them wrong."

2) Appeal to their future goals. "If you can build a program here, there are very few places that won't consider you when you're ready to move on." He'll be able to confidently say that he accomplished more than just about anyone else by building a program at EMU.

3) Appeal to self-determination. Believe it or not, there is a up side to having few (any?) big buck football donors. They tend to meddle and interfere. They have big big bank accounts and bigger egos that need to be stroked. There is nobody at EMU who is going to be so snobby as to say you're not an EMU man.

I wonder what kind of pitch Lyke is making?

I liked most of what you said.

But, there is no way I would tell a candidate what you said in your second reason. First, that should be self-evident, but most importantly you don't want to pitch yourself as a stepping stone. What does that say to the candidate about their potential future employer and what kind of impression does that give the candidate about how you little regard you have for yourself as an employer? No, no need to go there at all.

(12-10-2013 10:06 PM)HuronDave Wrote:  

(12-10-2013 05:57 PM)ljmhurons Wrote:  Okay, what would you do to appeal to a football coach you want? Here is my take.

1) Appeal to their self-confidence. It goes like this, "Others will say you can't be successful here. That you're not up to it and can't do it. Prove them wrong."

2) Appeal to their future goals. "If you can build a program here, there are very few places that won't consider you when you're ready to move on." He'll be able to confidently say that he accomplished more than just about anyone else by building a program at EMU.

3) Appeal to self-determination. Believe it or not, there is a up side to having few (any?) big buck football donors. They tend to meddle and interfere. They have big big bank accounts and bigger egos that need to be stroked. There is nobody at EMU who is going to be so snobby as to say you're not an EMU man.

I wonder what kind of pitch Lyke is making?

I liked most of what you said.

But, there is no way I would tell a candidate what you said in your second reason. First, that should be self-evident, but most importantly you don't want to pitch yourself as a stepping stone. What does that say to the candidate about their potential future employer and what kind of impression does that give the candidate about how you little regard you have for yourself as an employer? No, no need to go there at all.

It's also kind of implied, lmjhurons. I mean if a guy with a laptop and wifi can point this out, don't ya think candidates who are interviewing know this about EMU and all other similar schools?

(12-10-2013 10:13 PM)TimBuck2 Wrote:  

(12-10-2013 10:06 PM)HuronDave Wrote:  

(12-10-2013 05:57 PM)ljmhurons Wrote:  Okay, what would you do to appeal to a football coach you want? Here is my take.

1) Appeal to their self-confidence. It goes like this, "Others will say you can't be successful here. That you're not up to it and can't do it. Prove them wrong."

2) Appeal to their future goals. "If you can build a program here, there are very few places that won't consider you when you're ready to move on." He'll be able to confidently say that he accomplished more than just about anyone else by building a program at EMU.

3) Appeal to self-determination. Believe it or not, there is a up side to having few (any?) big buck football donors. They tend to meddle and interfere. They have big big bank accounts and bigger egos that need to be stroked. There is nobody at EMU who is going to be so snobby as to say you're not an EMU man.

I wonder what kind of pitch Lyke is making?

I liked most of what you said.

But, there is no way I would tell a candidate what you said in your second reason. First, that should be self-evident, but most importantly you don't want to pitch yourself as a stepping stone. What does that say to the candidate about their potential future employer and what kind of impression does that give the candidate about how you little regard you have for yourself as an employer? No, no need to go there at all.

It's also kind of implied, lmjhurons. I mean if a guy with a laptop and wifi can point this out, don't ya think candidates who are interviewing know this about EMU and all other similar schools?

How do you know I have a laptop?

The point in selling something is making it sound really desirable even if the point is rather obvious.

And let's face it, there are few schools similar to EMU. If after five years EMU and BG both finish 6-2 and their programs are even, the guy at EMU will have accomplished a lot while the guy at BG will have tread water.

As far as the job being a stepping stone, I don't like the term because it implies there is something wrong with having a goal of being a HC at football powerhouse. Much of the time those guys were head coaches at other schools first. It's just a fact of life so use it to your advantage.

(12-10-2013 10:06 PM)HuronDave Wrote:  

(12-10-2013 05:57 PM)ljmhurons Wrote:  Okay, what would you do to appeal to a football coach you want? Here is my take.

1) Appeal to their self-confidence. It goes like this, "Others will say you can't be successful here. That you're not up to it and can't do it. Prove them wrong."

2) Appeal to their future goals. "If you can build a program here, there are very few places that won't consider you when you're ready to move on." He'll be able to confidently say that he accomplished more than just about anyone else by building a program at EMU.

3) Appeal to self-determination. Believe it or not, there is a up side to having few (any?) big buck football donors. They tend to meddle and interfere. They have big big bank accounts and bigger egos that need to be stroked. There is nobody at EMU who is going to be so snobby as to say you're not an EMU man.

I wonder what kind of pitch Lyke is making?

I liked most of what you said.

But, there is no way I would tell a candidate what you said in your second reason. First, that should be self-evident, but most importantly you don't want to pitch yourself as a stepping stone. What does that say to the candidate about their potential future employer and what kind of impression does that give the candidate about how you little regard you have for yourself as an employer? No, no need to go there at all.

I think it depends on the coach who is being interviewed. A young guy is almost always going to use EMU, or any MAC school, as a stepping stone. After their first 7-5 season most of them will run. Guys like Herb Deromedi are far and few between. An older coach may be looking for some stability. Babers is fifty-two-years-old, and if he gets a five year contract will be fifty-seven at its end. He may be willing to make EMU a home for the remainder of his career, which is something that a program like EMU needs to consider.

(12-11-2013 07:05 AM)AlwaysAHuron Wrote:  

(12-10-2013 10:06 PM)HuronDave Wrote:  

(12-10-2013 05:57 PM)ljmhurons Wrote:  Okay, what would you do to appeal to a football coach you want? Here is my take.

1) Appeal to their self-confidence. It goes like this, "Others will say you can't be successful here. That you're not up to it and can't do it. Prove them wrong."

2) Appeal to their future goals. "If you can build a program here, there are very few places that won't consider you when you're ready to move on." He'll be able to confidently say that he accomplished more than just about anyone else by building a program at EMU.

3) Appeal to self-determination. Believe it or not, there is a up side to having few (any?) big buck football donors. They tend to meddle and interfere. They have big big bank accounts and bigger egos that need to be stroked. There is nobody at EMU who is going to be so snobby as to say you're not an EMU man.

I wonder what kind of pitch Lyke is making?

I liked most of what you said.

But, there is no way I would tell a candidate what you said in your second reason. First, that should be self-evident, but most importantly you don't want to pitch yourself as a stepping stone. What does that say to the candidate about their potential future employer and what kind of impression does that give the candidate about how you little regard you have for yourself as an employer? No, no need to go there at all.

I think it depends on the coach who is being interviewed. A young guy is almost always going to use EMU, or any MAC school, as a stepping stone. After their first 7-5 season most of them will run. Guys like Herb Deromedi are far and few between. An older coach may be looking for some stability. Babers is fifty-two-years-old, and if he gets a five year contract will be fifty-seven at its end. He may be willing to make EMU a home for the remainder of his career, which is something that a program like EMU needs to consider.

I really doubt Babers would be a lifer at EMU.

He appeared to be a very young 52. He could easily pass for 45.

He would turn the program around and leave, but as we all know, every school like NIU, which was much, much worse than us until Joe Novack turned it around. Others kept the program going and some coaches like Doreen and Carey are blind lucky to be handed a team winning big.

It Babers can do 8 - 4 I'm sure others would beg to succeed him.

If Babers comes to EMU and turns the football program around, while building a SOLID foundation, I don't have a problem with him leaving for a BCS school. That would mean that he has been at EMU for at least four years, has left the cupboard full for his successor and has left EMU in good shape for continued success in football.

(12-11-2013 05:36 PM)HuronRob Wrote:  If Babers comes to EMU and turns the football program around, while building a SOLID foundation, I don't have a problem with him leaving for a BCS school. That would mean that he has been at EMU for at least four years, has left the cupboard full for his successor and has left EMU in good shape for continued success in football.

Four years?

IF he did a turnaround in 2 years (and that happens occasionally) he could leave after two.

This is what Gill did at UBuffalo and Haywood at Miami.