(12-07-2013 01:35 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(12-07-2013 09:36 AM)UCF Section 126 Wrote:  No way in hell I attend. I will permanently hate NIU for the rest of my life. Just had a little one and can't afford this and all the new costs that come along with him.

Those who say there isn't a huge difference in travel costs are out of their mind. Plus the ticket prices are jacked up for the Fiesta bowl near NC level.

It has amazed me over the past couple of days how little responsibility UCF will take for things and how much some of their fans want someone else to do things for them...

Thursday night, you would have sworn (if you didn't know better) that UCF had been playing. After UL won, there were all these hysterical posts about how "UCF is going to the BCS!" as if UCF had won their game. Now someone will "hate NIU" for all eternity because NIU didn't win their game.

Dude... This is reality. Don't blame someone else for your successes or failures. It will NOT be NIU's fault if UCF fans don't travel to their BCS bowl. (FWIW, it is all conjecture at this moment that UCF will end up in the Fiesta Bowl. Likely? Yes. Certain? Not at this moment...) You all won your way INTO the BCS. Enjoy it. But by the same token, it is now up to y'all's fanbase to go to the game.

FWIW, you will NOT be hurting UCF's image as much as "the American"'s image if UCF fans don't go to the game. Most people, believe it or not, DON'T expect you to actually buy the tickets and go. "Most people," outside the conference don't think UCF has more than 50 or so fans (ignorant, I know) anyway, so if UCF has to return 20k of their allotment, they'll ("most people") will just shrug their shoulders and say "That's about what we expected..." But the Conference will take a pounding. The other bowls committees... you know, the Bowls we all were so vehemently berating when they dropped the "American" from consideration... will be watching this intently.

IF UCF doesn't attend the BCS Bowl well, then the Liberty, Gator, etc... Bowls will say "See, that's why we didn't sign that conference..." and in 5 years our bowl picture not only will NOT improve, but it will slip yet again.

What is clear after the last couple weeks of UCF fan driven posts about attendance and travel parties is that they would be the first group of fans to bash USF or any old guard Big East schools if they posted excuses that "it's too far" or "tickets are too expensive" to support their BCS bound team.

(12-07-2013 06:12 PM)CyberBull Wrote:  

(12-07-2013 01:35 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(12-07-2013 09:36 AM)UCF Section 126 Wrote:  No way in hell I attend. I will permanently hate NIU for the rest of my life. Just had a little one and can't afford this and all the new costs that come along with him.

Those who say there isn't a huge difference in travel costs are out of their mind. Plus the ticket prices are jacked up for the Fiesta bowl near NC level.

It has amazed me over the past couple of days how little responsibility UCF will take for things and how much some of their fans want someone else to do things for them...

Thursday night, you would have sworn (if you didn't know better) that UCF had been playing. After UL won, there were all these hysterical posts about how "UCF is going to the BCS!" as if UCF had won their game. Now someone will "hate NIU" for all eternity because NIU didn't win their game.

Dude... This is reality. Don't blame someone else for your successes or failures. It will NOT be NIU's fault if UCF fans don't travel to their BCS bowl. (FWIW, it is all conjecture at this moment that UCF will end up in the Fiesta Bowl. Likely? Yes. Certain? Not at this moment...) You all won your way INTO the BCS. Enjoy it. But by the same token, it is now up to y'all's fanbase to go to the game.

FWIW, you will NOT be hurting UCF's image as much as "the American"'s image if UCF fans don't go to the game. Most people, believe it or not, DON'T expect you to actually buy the tickets and go. "Most people," outside the conference don't think UCF has more than 50 or so fans (ignorant, I know) anyway, so if UCF has to return 20k of their allotment, they'll ("most people") will just shrug their shoulders and say "That's about what we expected..." But the Conference will take a pounding. The other bowls committees... you know, the Bowls we all were so vehemently berating when they dropped the "American" from consideration... will be watching this intently.

IF UCF doesn't attend the BCS Bowl well, then the Liberty, Gator, etc... Bowls will say "See, that's why we didn't sign that conference..." and in 5 years our bowl picture not only will NOT improve, but it will slip yet again.

What is clear after the last couple weeks of UCF fan driven posts about attendance and travel parties is that they would be the first group of fans to bash USF or any old guard Big East schools if they posted excuses that "it's too far" or "tickets are too expensive" to support their BCS bound team.

Like you just did? Hypocrit

(12-07-2013 01:56 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(12-07-2013 01:41 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(12-07-2013 01:35 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(12-07-2013 09:36 AM)UCF Section 126 Wrote:  No way in hell I attend. I will permanently hate NIU for the rest of my life. Just had a little one and can't afford this and all the new costs that come along with him.

Those who say there isn't a huge difference in travel costs are out of their mind. Plus the ticket prices are jacked up for the Fiesta bowl near NC level.

It has amazed me over the past couple of days how little responsibility UCF will take for things and how muchsome of their fans want someone else to do things for them...

Thursday night, you would have sworn (if you didn't know better) that UCF had been playing. After UL won, there were all these hysterical posts about how "UCF is going to the BCS!" as if UCF had won their game. Now someone will "hate NIU" for all eternity because NIU didn't win their game.

Dude... This is reality. Don't blame someone else for your successes or failures. It will NOT be NIU's fault if UCF fans don't travel to their BCS bowl. (FWIW, it is all conjecture at this moment that UCF will end up in the Fiesta Bowl. Likely? Yes. Certain? Not at this moment...) You all won your way INTO the BCS. Enjoy it. But by the same token, it is now up to y'all's fanbase to go to the game.

FWIW, you will NOT be hurting UCF's image as much as "the American"'s image if UCF fans don't go to the game. Most people, believe it or not, DON'T expect you to actually buy the tickets and go. "Most people," outside the conference don't think UCF has more than 50 or so fans (ignorant, I know) anyway, so if UCF has to return 20k of their allotment, they'll ("most people") will just shrug their shoulders and say "That's about what we expected..." But the Conference will take a pounding. The other bowls committees... you know, the Bowls we all were so vehemently berating when they dropped the "American" from consideration... will be watching this intently.

IF UCF doesn't attend the BCS Bowl well, then the Liberty, Gator, etc... Bowls will say "See, that's why we didn't sign that conference..." and in 5 years our bowl picture not only will NOT improve, but it will slip yet again.

Tell ya what, Chief. You go and buy 5 (minimum) of these official Fiesta Bowl ticket packages, and then you can start lobbing bombs around here. While I'm at it, why didn't you buy 5 of the official Fiesta Bowl ticket packages in 2011? Could've helped UCONN out, just a bit. Since you like to play judge and jury around here, I suggest you put your money where your mouth is. Or, STFU!!!!!!!

What bombs? I didn't intend to lob any bombs....

Look... You can insert ANY of our conference schools into the mix. If UC had won the BCS bid, I would be saying EXACTLY the same thing. People outside of the UC community seriously believe we have like "50 fans." When we went to the Orange Bowl against VaTech and tickets were available on StubHub for $1, people said "Well, what do you expect... It's University of Cincinnati... I didn't know they even had a team..." Now I could counter that it was VaTech's fanbase that returned a lot of those tickets, but it doesn't matter. Who took the biggest hit? The BE did.

That's not a "bomb" it's simple fact. I know its ignorant to say that UCF has a small fanbase. But the reason I know it's ignorant is because I hang out HERE. The vast majority of college football fans do not hang out HERE. They're over in the SEC territory, or the B10 territory or wherever. They are looking at UCF---IN THEIR IGNORANCE--- and saying things like "Well what do you expect... It's the University of Central Florida... I didn't even know they had a team..." So when UCF fans say "Sorry, AAC, there's no way in hell I'm going..." those people just shrug their shoulders and walk away.

But the other Bowl committees are always trying to figure out how to increase their share of the pie. THEY (the Bowl Committees) are evaluating which conferences will bring more people into their cities and their games. The Bowl Committees exist to make money and promote their city. What do you think they see when a school returns a huge chunk of their allotment? (THIS IS NOT A BOMB.) What they see is a potential liability if they sign with that conference.

Just to be completely fair about it, the SAME pressure is upon the UC fans with the Belk, even though our contract with that bowl is ending. There are some among the UC fanbase who have said "Well, I went there last year, I don't need to go back..." That says EXACTLY the same message. Not that every fan CAN go to the bowl game, but when you have a chunk that says "Well, I would have gone here, but there's no way in hell I'll go there..." you are hurting the conference MORE than you are hurting your own school.

BTW....to be fair, I understand completely the concerns UCF fans are facing as USF had the same situation in 2007 when we had to travel across the country to the Sun Bowl in hard to get to El Paso. I spent over $2500 for my wife and I to go, but the ppl in our season ticket group couldn't go for a variety or reasons. We weren't example budget conscious but between $500-plus airline tix, inflated hotel prices and a ticket prices it wasn't that far away from nearly $1000 per person minimum. For a family of four....that would be a lot of money...especially for young families around the holidays.

When you step back and look at these games they are really glorified exhibitions games that have no importance other than fueling local economies who have developed a sense of entitlement that fans most come in droves and spend all their money around the holidays in their city....for a pretty meaningless game.

However, it's hard to feel sorry for UCF fans on this board when they are this board's resident attendance nazis.

(12-07-2013 06:15 PM)Knightsweat Wrote:  

(12-07-2013 06:12 PM)CyberBull Wrote:  

(12-07-2013 01:35 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(12-07-2013 09:36 AM)UCF Section 126 Wrote:  No way in hell I attend. I will permanently hate NIU for the rest of my life. Just had a little one and can't afford this and all the new costs that come along with him.

Those who say there isn't a huge difference in travel costs are out of their mind. Plus the ticket prices are jacked up for the Fiesta bowl near NC level.

It has amazed me over the past couple of days how little responsibility UCF will take for things and how much some of their fans want someone else to do things for them...

Thursday night, you would have sworn (if you didn't know better) that UCF had been playing. After UL won, there were all these hysterical posts about how "UCF is going to the BCS!" as if UCF had won their game. Now someone will "hate NIU" for all eternity because NIU didn't win their game.

Dude... This is reality. Don't blame someone else for your successes or failures. It will NOT be NIU's fault if UCF fans don't travel to their BCS bowl. (FWIW, it is all conjecture at this moment that UCF will end up in the Fiesta Bowl. Likely? Yes. Certain? Not at this moment...) You all won your way INTO the BCS. Enjoy it. But by the same token, it is now up to y'all's fanbase to go to the game.

FWIW, you will NOT be hurting UCF's image as much as "the American"'s image if UCF fans don't go to the game. Most people, believe it or not, DON'T expect you to actually buy the tickets and go. "Most people," outside the conference don't think UCF has more than 50 or so fans (ignorant, I know) anyway, so if UCF has to return 20k of their allotment, they'll ("most people") will just shrug their shoulders and say "That's about what we expected..." But the Conference will take a pounding. The other bowls committees... you know, the Bowls we all were so vehemently berating when they dropped the "American" from consideration... will be watching this intently.

IF UCF doesn't attend the BCS Bowl well, then the Liberty, Gator, etc... Bowls will say "See, that's why we didn't sign that conference..." and in 5 years our bowl picture not only will NOT improve, but it will slip yet again.

What is clear after the last couple weeks of UCF fan driven posts about attendance and travel parties is that they would be the first group of fans to bash USF or any old guard Big East schools if they posted excuses that "it's too far" or "tickets are too expensive" to support their BCS bound team.

Like you just did? Hypocrit

Funny that you call me a hypocrite....

I am just pointing out a pretty well established fact that UCF fans have had an unhealthy interest in bashing other schools attendance and bowl travel.

Now that the shoe is on the other foot and you are facing the potential of a challenging BCS bowl game assignment some of you are suddenly using the same reasons fans from other schools have used in the past.

The reality is that your reasons are perfectly legit. It is expensive, faraway and unrealistic for young fanbases with families to participate. However ppl like you wanted nothing to do with those reasons or "excuses" in the past and now are trying to rationalize the situation.

Perhaps if some of you guys/gals didn't dwell on attendance concerns as a professional occupation most of us would have more sympathy.

CyberBulls Program is in shambles so now he is arguing UCF Bowl Attendance lol

I can make Orange or Sugar but not Fiesta on short notice , Flights are expensive last minute out West

(12-07-2013 06:50 PM)knightastic Wrote:  CyberBulls Program is in shambles so now he is arguing UCF Bowl Attendance lol

I can make Orange or Sugar but not Fiesta on short notice , Flights are expensive last minute out West

who is arguing, just pointing out the hyprocrisy of some of your fans. I am not bashing the challenge it will be to sell out your allotment b/c every BigEast/AAC team would face similar difficulties. Instead I am calling out UCF fans who have made it a lifestyle decision to bash other program's attendance but are now making excuses.

My advice to you guys/gals is to....GO!

You never know when you will have a chance to go....so if the difference between going and staying home is a couple hundred dollars...put your money where mouth is and support your team. It helps your team and helps the conference.

BTW, USF's program won't be down for long as the three point loss demonstrated last week. Give Taggart time to get his own players and clean up Holtz's mess and our program will be in very good shape as evidenced by this year's recruiting class so far.

(12-07-2013 06:12 PM)CyberBull Wrote:  

(12-07-2013 01:35 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(12-07-2013 09:36 AM)UCF Section 126 Wrote:  No way in hell I attend. I will permanently hate NIU for the rest of my life. Just had a little one and can't afford this and all the new costs that come along with him.

Those who say there isn't a huge difference in travel costs are out of their mind. Plus the ticket prices are jacked up for the Fiesta bowl near NC level.

It has amazed me over the past couple of days how little responsibility UCF will take for things and how much some of their fans want someone else to do things for them...

Thursday night, you would have sworn (if you didn't know better) that UCF had been playing. After UL won, there were all these hysterical posts about how "UCF is going to the BCS!" as if UCF had won their game. Now someone will "hate NIU" for all eternity because NIU didn't win their game.

Dude... This is reality. Don't blame someone else for your successes or failures. It will NOT be NIU's fault if UCF fans don't travel to their BCS bowl. (FWIW, it is all conjecture at this moment that UCF will end up in the Fiesta Bowl. Likely? Yes. Certain? Not at this moment...) You all won your way INTO the BCS. Enjoy it. But by the same token, it is now up to y'all's fanbase to go to the game.

FWIW, you will NOT be hurting UCF's image as much as "the American"'s image if UCF fans don't go to the game. Most people, believe it or not, DON'T expect you to actually buy the tickets and go. "Most people," outside the conference don't think UCF has more than 50 or so fans (ignorant, I know) anyway, so if UCF has to return 20k of their allotment, they'll ("most people") will just shrug their shoulders and say "That's about what we expected..." But the Conference will take a pounding. The other bowls committees... you know, the Bowls we all were so vehemently berating when they dropped the "American" from consideration... will be watching this intently.

IF UCF doesn't attend the BCS Bowl well, then the Liberty, Gator, etc... Bowls will say "See, that's why we didn't sign that conference..." and in 5 years our bowl picture not only will NOT improve, but it will slip yet again.

What is clear after the last couple weeks of UCF fan driven posts about attendance and travel parties is that they would be the first group of fans to bash USF or any old guard Big East schools if they posted excuses that "it's too far" or "tickets are too expensive" to support their BCS bound team.

So this posts get moved b/c I pointed out the hypocrisy of some UCF fans?

Great job Kruciff....you make a helluva of an objective moderator.