(12-08-2013 01:32 AM)Marge Schott Wrote:  Does a 12-1 Baylor/Big 12 Champ stand a better shot at making the playoffs than an 11-1 version of itself?

Quite possibly. Does a 12-0 Ohio State have a better chance than a 12-1 Ohio State? Quite possibly.

I just don't see how it clearly hurts or helps the Big 12 anymore than it clearly just hurt the Big 10.

And luck was on Nebraska's side the 2nd year. It came back to bite them in the CG game, but it wasn't a surprise that they lost.

How they lost, that's different. But being ranked 15th or so and getting beat by a good undervalued Wisconsin team wasn't a surprise.

(12-08-2013 01:43 AM)DexterDevil Wrote:  

(12-08-2013 01:41 AM)john01992 Wrote:  1st year: b10 favorite Michigan State losses
2nd year: b10 favorite Nebraska losses
3rd year: b10 favorite Ohio State loses

yeah my guess is yes......

the b10 is a lil sick of the ccg right now

How were we favorites the first year? It was pretty even and it took a miracle for us to win the regular season game, the game,was centered around that and it being a rematch, not a definite pick over another.

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(12-07-2013 09:38 PM)uakronkid Wrote:  

(12-07-2013 09:27 PM)CoogNellie Wrote:  Tell me again why everybody wants one of these?

Major TV money?

(12-08-2013 12:49 AM)RUScarlets Wrote:  I wonder what Baylor would be thinking not playing an extra game in prime time and getting left out of a playoff for not having that extra prime time game. We can play this game both ways.

Baylor played Texas in a conference championship game on Saturday.

(12-08-2013 01:32 AM)Marge Schott Wrote:  

(12-07-2013 09:27 PM)CoogNellie Wrote:  Tell me again why everybody wants one of these?

Does a 12-1 Baylor/Big 12 Champ stand a better shot at making the playoffs than an 11-1 version of itself?

Does a 11-1 Baylor/ Big12 champ stand a better shot than an 11-2 verson of its self.?

You are missing the main point. This year a CCG was needed. OSU and MSU needed to play each other to determine who the best team in the conference was and who deserved to represent the conference as champion.

Also it worked out the way it should in terms of the BCS bowls. IF OSU wins the game, then OSU deserves to play in the BCS NCG. IF they lose, they really didn't deserve to go. In fact, they did not even deserve the Big Ten's spot in the Rose Bowl.

As a Big Ten fan, I actually like to see our teams earn their spots in bowl games.

(12-08-2013 02:14 PM)goofus Wrote:  You are missing the main point. This year a CCG was needed. OSU and MSU needed to play each other to determine who the best team in the conference was and who deserved to represent the conference as champion.

Also it worked out the way it should in terms of the BCS bowls. IF OSU wins the game, then OSU deserves to play in the BCS NCG. IF they lose, they really didn't deserve to go. In fact, they did not even deserve the Big Ten's spot in the Rose Bowl.

As a Big Ten fan, I actually like to see our teams earn their spots in bowl games.

I agree. Ohio State couldn't close the deal. My son and I went to the very first one when Wisky played Michigan State. It was a great game and great experience! If Michigan State could have had their QB situation figured out before ND game they might have both been unbeaten going into this years CCG.

(12-08-2013 02:20 PM)Hoosier Hysteria Wrote:  

(12-08-2013 02:14 PM)goofus Wrote:  You are missing the main point. This year a CCG was needed. OSU and MSU needed to play each other to determine who the best team in the conference was and who deserved to represent the conference as champion.

Also it worked out the way it should in terms of the BCS bowls. IF OSU wins the game, then OSU deserves to play in the BCS NCG. IF they lose, they really didn't deserve to go. In fact, they did not even deserve the Big Ten's spot in the Rose Bowl.

As a Big Ten fan, I actually like to see our teams earn their spots in bowl games.

I agree. Ohio State couldn't close the deal. My son and I went to the very first one when Wisky played Michigan State. It was a great game and great experience! If Michigan State could have had their QB situation figured out before ND game they might have both been unbeaten going into this years CCG.

That team last night would absolutely destroy Notre Dame if they played today.

(12-07-2013 09:27 PM)CoogNellie Wrote:  Tell me again why everybody wants one of these?

The clear best two teams in the conference didn't meet during regular season play ... hell, its better than having it decided by vote of the AD's, as they once did in the 70's.

The Big Ten hasn't been playing a full round robin since the 80's, and this is better than the string of "shared" titles.

Looking at Baylor if this is 2014, would it not be better to have played to a 12-1, beating possibly OSU in the Championship game. It is always tougher to win it the second time and would be a consideration by the selection committee. Just beating UT on the final week would not get it done in my opinion.

I said it before we got one, I'll say it now, I'd have said it if we'd won, I despise conference championship games. I'd do away with them in a heartbeat if possible and hope it would force the conferences to get as close to round robin as possible (and avoid further expansion). I'm at least happy the real Big Ten basketball champ continues to be decided in the regular season.

Edit: As for shared titles, I love them. Winning a conference outright should be difficult and special. It sucks the years two teams finish undefeated, but in any other year, my philophy has always been if you didn't want to share, you shouldn't have lost. In 10/11 team leagues, it was rare for 2 unbeatens not to play anyway (the Big Ten was set-up for it to happen most and you still played everyone at least 75% of the time). That specialness is lost with CCGs where you can finish atop a weak division or one with teams ineligible and still get to be the only champs.

Quote: I'm at least happy the real Big Ten basketball champ continues to be decided in the regular season.

There are two Big Ten hoops champions, one in the regular season and one in the tournament, but the "official" champion (the one that receives the NCAA autobid) comes from the tournament.

I don't think the B1G lost anything with this yeat's title game. It was a great game and there are still two conference teams in the BCS. Two winnable games too. So it could work out as a positive for the conference.

(12-07-2013 09:27 PM)CoogNellie Wrote:  Tell me again why everybody wants one of these?

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In a 4 team playoff, it won't matter. Maybe if Ohio State did not schedule cannon fodder OOC, they might have been a bit more battle tested.

(12-08-2013 01:28 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  

(12-07-2013 09:38 PM)uakronkid Wrote:  

(12-07-2013 09:27 PM)CoogNellie Wrote:  Tell me again why everybody wants one of these?

Major TV money?

(12-08-2013 12:49 AM)RUScarlets Wrote:  I wonder what Baylor would be thinking not playing an extra game in prime time and getting left out of a playoff for not having that extra prime time game. We can play this game both ways.

Baylor played Texas in a conference championship game on Saturday.

STOP. That was only a conference championship game because Oklahoma State choked. My math indicates Baylor still only played 12 games, not 13.

(12-09-2013 06:50 PM)LSUtah Wrote:  

(12-07-2013 09:27 PM)CoogNellie Wrote:  Tell me again why everybody wants one of these?

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In a 4 team playoff, it won't matter. Maybe if Ohio State did not schedule cannon fodder OOC, they might have been a bit more battle tested.

Ohio State was more battle tested than Florida State is. Ohio State just gave up at the end and put it all on Braxton Miller's shoulders to run the ball every down. It was very easy for the best defense in the nation to cue in on him and completely stop Ohio State at the end of the game.

Up until Ohio State made that decision, they had more yardage and points against Michigan State than anyone else in the latter part of the season when MSU's defense was at peak performance.

Nothing personal, but you don't know what you are talking about.

(12-09-2013 06:51 PM)LSUtah Wrote:  

(12-08-2013 01:28 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  

(12-07-2013 09:38 PM)uakronkid Wrote:  

(12-07-2013 09:27 PM)CoogNellie Wrote:  Tell me again why everybody wants one of these?

Major TV money?

(12-08-2013 12:49 AM)RUScarlets Wrote:  I wonder what Baylor would be thinking not playing an extra game in prime time and getting left out of a playoff for not having that extra prime time game. We can play this game both ways.

Baylor played Texas in a conference championship game on Saturday.

STOP. That was only a conference championship game because Oklahoma State choked. My math indicates Baylor still only played 12 games, not 13.

They played on Saturday on prime TV just like all of the other conference champs and their schedule was strengenthed by playing 9 conference games and 3 cupcakes as opposed to playing 8 conference games and 4 cupcakes as many teams do.

(12-09-2013 08:41 AM)moo Wrote:  

Quote: I'm at least happy the real Big Ten basketball champ continues to be decided in the regular season.

There are two Big Ten hoops champions, one in the regular season and one in the tournament, but the "official" champion (the one that receives the NCAA autobid) comes from the tournament.

The team(s) that finishes the regular season with the best record (s) are the ones who get to put up banners saying Big Ten Champions. The ones who win the tournament put up a banner saying Big Ten Tournament Champions.

(12-07-2013 09:34 PM)CoogNellie Wrote:  

(12-07-2013 09:32 PM)bigblueblindness Wrote:  Definitive Champion in some order.

How is a champion that doesn't play everybody in their conference more definitive than a champion that plays every team in the conference?

How is a national champion who doesn't play every other division 1 team more definitive?

TexaOhma realized that the CCG hurt their chances to the BCS when, who was it, Neb won and screwed everything up?

(12-08-2013 02:29 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(12-08-2013 02:20 PM)Hoosier Hysteria Wrote:  

(12-08-2013 02:14 PM)goofus Wrote:  You are missing the main point. This year a CCG was needed. OSU and MSU needed to play each other to determine who the best team in the conference was and who deserved to represent the conference as champion.

Also it worked out the way it should in terms of the BCS bowls. IF OSU wins the game, then OSU deserves to play in the BCS NCG. IF they lose, they really didn't deserve to go. In fact, they did not even deserve the Big Ten's spot in the Rose Bowl.

As a Big Ten fan, I actually like to see our teams earn their spots in bowl games.

I agree. Ohio State couldn't close the deal. My son and I went to the very first one when Wisky played Michigan State. It was a great game and great experience! If Michigan State could have had their QB situation figured out before ND game they might have both been unbeaten going into this years CCG.

That team last night would absolutely destroy Notre Dame if they played today.

Maybe, maybe not. But, that is completely irrelevant.

(12-09-2013 09:33 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(12-08-2013 02:29 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(12-08-2013 02:20 PM)Hoosier Hysteria Wrote:  

(12-08-2013 02:14 PM)goofus Wrote:  You are missing the main point. This year a CCG was needed. OSU and MSU needed to play each other to determine who the best team in the conference was and who deserved to represent the conference as champion.

Also it worked out the way it should in terms of the BCS bowls. IF OSU wins the game, then OSU deserves to play in the BCS NCG. IF they lose, they really didn't deserve to go. In fact, they did not even deserve the Big Ten's spot in the Rose Bowl.

As a Big Ten fan, I actually like to see our teams earn their spots in bowl games.

I agree. Ohio State couldn't close the deal. My son and I went to the very first one when Wisky played Michigan State. It was a great game and great experience! If Michigan State could have had their QB situation figured out before ND game they might have both been unbeaten going into this years CCG.

That team last night would absolutely destroy Notre Dame if they played today.

Maybe, maybe not. But, that is completely irrelevant.

It's a rivalry game, people forget that, rivalry games don't care how good either team is, someone has to lose.

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(12-08-2013 02:14 PM)goofus Wrote:  You are missing the main point. This year a CCG was needed. OSU and MSU needed to play each other to determine who the best team in the conference was and who deserved to represent the conference as champion.

And the weakness that Michigan State exposed in the OSU linebackers (witness all of the 5yd+ rushes if the back got through the line) has been making appearances all season long, and would have been exposed in a NCG as well.

So its not as if the Big Ten would have benefited from sending a Buckeye squad that did not have to prove itself in the CCG to the NCG as "co-champion" ... nor, under next year's system, to the CFP.