(12-07-2013 04:39 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(12-07-2013 04:38 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  If you were comparing Oklahoma to Mich St I would be inclined to agree. Ohio State is one of the top 5 properties in all of college football.

And Oklahoma is in the top 10 properties, if not higher. Given that it's the last time the Orange could get Oklahoma for at least 12 years- I think that would be taken into account.

We'll agree to disagree on this one.

(12-07-2013 04:40 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(12-07-2013 03:58 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(12-07-2013 03:53 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(12-07-2013 03:51 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(12-07-2013 03:41 PM)stever20 Wrote:  Probably puts them in the BCS in either Orange or Sugar. Knocks Oklahoma St definitely out. Baylor/Texas winner in Fiesta to play UCF, loser out. Probably knocks Oregon out as well.

Big 12 isn't going to the Orange. Sugar is more likely.

It's possible. If Michigan St beats Ohio St pretty badly, I could easily see the Orange taking Oklahoma(with all their past history in the Orange) over a Ohio St team.

I can't think of a single reason why you would take Oklahoma ahead of Ohio State. OSU is one of the most watched teams in the country.

Oklahoma is the premier program over Ohio State. I'm sorry.

False. If you look at any statistics...attendance, revenue, tv ratings, fan base size...OSU outranked Oklahoma in all of them.

(12-07-2013 04:47 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(12-07-2013 04:40 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(12-07-2013 03:58 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(12-07-2013 03:53 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(12-07-2013 03:51 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  Big 12 isn't going to the Orange. Sugar is more likely.

It's possible. If Michigan St beats Ohio St pretty badly, I could easily see the Orange taking Oklahoma(with all their past history in the Orange) over a Ohio St team.

I can't think of a single reason why you would take Oklahoma ahead of Ohio State. OSU is one of the most watched teams in the country.

Oklahoma is the premier program over Ohio State. I'm sorry.

False. If you look at any statistics...attendance, revenue, tv ratings, fan base size...OSU outranked Oklahoma in all of them.

Oklahoma Alabama are considered the more prestigious programs of all time. You have no way to measure which school has a bigger fan base.

When you look at the big picture of college football since 1936, no program has achieved greatness as consistently as Oklahoma. We didn't even count the fact that Oklahoma owns the longest win streak in FBS history (47) or leads the nation with a .765 winning percentage since World War II. The 1956 Oklahoma team catapulted the Sooners past Notre Dame to the top of the Prestige Rankings, and it's been in the top spot ever since. OU's seven national titles have spanned four decades. The Sooners have finished in the final poll's top 5 an astounding 29 times. But the real fuel for OU's rise to the top of our rankings has been its conference dominance. The Sooners finished the regular season with at least a share of their conference's best record a stunning 39 times, seven more than any other program in the country.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3849468

Really? You guys are arguing over who would get the Orange Bowl invite should Ohio State lose?

(12-07-2013 05:03 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(12-07-2013 04:47 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(12-07-2013 04:40 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(12-07-2013 03:58 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(12-07-2013 03:53 PM)stever20 Wrote:  It's possible. If Michigan St beats Ohio St pretty badly, I could easily see the Orange taking Oklahoma(with all their past history in the Orange) over a Ohio St team.

I can't think of a single reason why you would take Oklahoma ahead of Ohio State. OSU is one of the most watched teams in the country.

Oklahoma is the premier program over Ohio State. I'm sorry.

False. If you look at any statistics...attendance, revenue, tv ratings, fan base size...OSU outranked Oklahoma in all of them.

Oklahoma Alabama are considered the more prestigious programs of all time. You have no way to measure which school has a bigger fan base.

When you look at the big picture of college football since 1936, no program has achieved greatness as consistently as Oklahoma. We didn't even count the fact that Oklahoma owns the longest win streak in FBS history (47) or leads the nation with a .765 winning percentage since World War II. The 1956 Oklahoma team catapulted the Sooners past Notre Dame to the top of the Prestige Rankings, and it's been in the top spot ever since. OU's seven national titles have spanned four decades. The Sooners have finished in the final poll's top 5 an astounding 29 times. But the real fuel for OU's rise to the top of our rankings has been its conference dominance. The Sooners finished the regular season with at least a share of their conference's best record a stunning 39 times, seven more than any other program in the country.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3849468

How many people care about what happened between 1936 and let's say 1986...seriously. This article is 4 years old and only takes into account performance only. I'm talking about value, fans, tv viewership, etc. It's the same reason why right now, every bowl under the sun would love to have Notre Dame. Ohio State is in a similar category.

Oklahoma is not that far behind Ohio St. They are in the top 7-8. With the history the Orange has, it wouldn't be shocking at all if they chose Oklahoma over Ohio St...

(12-07-2013 05:20 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(12-07-2013 05:03 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(12-07-2013 04:47 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(12-07-2013 04:40 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(12-07-2013 03:58 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  I can't think of a single reason why you would take Oklahoma ahead of Ohio State. OSU is one of the most watched teams in the country.

Oklahoma is the premier program over Ohio State. I'm sorry.

False. If you look at any statistics...attendance, revenue, tv ratings, fan base size...OSU outranked Oklahoma in all of them.

Oklahoma Alabama are considered the more prestigious programs of all time. You have no way to measure which school has a bigger fan base.

When you look at the big picture of college football since 1936, no program has achieved greatness as consistently as Oklahoma. We didn't even count the fact that Oklahoma owns the longest win streak in FBS history (47) or leads the nation with a .765 winning percentage since World War II. The 1956 Oklahoma team catapulted the Sooners past Notre Dame to the top of the Prestige Rankings, and it's been in the top spot ever since. OU's seven national titles have spanned four decades. The Sooners have finished in the final poll's top 5 an astounding 29 times. But the real fuel for OU's rise to the top of our rankings has been its conference dominance. The Sooners finished the regular season with at least a share of their conference's best record a stunning 39 times, seven more than any other program in the country.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3849468

How many people care about what happened between 1936 and let's say 1986...seriously. This article is 4 years old and only takes into account performance only. I'm talking about value, fans, tv viewership, etc. It's the same reason why right now, every bowl under the sun would love to have Notre Dame. Ohio State is in a similar category.

You can be mad about it and you can make outlandish claims about attendance and fan bases...but the numbers do not lie. We have the superior record and the recognized prestige. Don't get me wrong, OSU is a great program with lots of history, but you don't have the brass or the history to talk down to Oklahoma.

We also have the better rivalry game. Anyone thinking Ohio State/Michigan is on the level of the RSSO is high on their own homerism.

(12-07-2013 05:26 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(12-07-2013 05:20 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(12-07-2013 05:03 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(12-07-2013 04:47 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(12-07-2013 04:40 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  Oklahoma is the premier program over Ohio State. I'm sorry.

False. If you look at any statistics...attendance, revenue, tv ratings, fan base size...OSU outranked Oklahoma in all of them.

Oklahoma Alabama are considered the more prestigious programs of all time. You have no way to measure which school has a bigger fan base.

When you look at the big picture of college football since 1936, no program has achieved greatness as consistently as Oklahoma. We didn't even count the fact that Oklahoma owns the longest win streak in FBS history (47) or leads the nation with a .765 winning percentage since World War II. The 1956 Oklahoma team catapulted the Sooners past Notre Dame to the top of the Prestige Rankings, and it's been in the top spot ever since. OU's seven national titles have spanned four decades. The Sooners have finished in the final poll's top 5 an astounding 29 times. But the real fuel for OU's rise to the top of our rankings has been its conference dominance. The Sooners finished the regular season with at least a share of their conference's best record a stunning 39 times, seven more than any other program in the country.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3849468

How many people care about what happened between 1936 and let's say 1986...seriously. This article is 4 years old and only takes into account performance only. I'm talking about value, fans, tv viewership, etc. It's the same reason why right now, every bowl under the sun would love to have Notre Dame. Ohio State is in a similar category.

You can be mad about it and you can make outlandish claims about attendance and fan bases...but the numbers do not lie. We have the superior record and the recognized prestige. Don't get me wrong, OSU is a great program with lots of history, but you don't have the brass or the history to talk down to Oklahoma.

We also have the better rivalry game. Anyone thinking Ohio State/Michigan is on the level of the RSSO is high on their own homerism.

I think you are guilty of your own claim if you are saying that Ohio State vs Michigan is not on the level of Oklahoma and Texas. You cannot claim history as your argument on one hand and then ignore history on this point.

The Orange Bowl might take OSU or they might take OU. Who knows and quite frankly who cares? To argue though that it is homerism to say that the Ohio State and Michigan rivalry is less than that of the Texas and Oklahoma rivalry, well that is pure homerism at it's finest and that makes you a hypocrite.

(12-07-2013 05:32 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(12-07-2013 05:26 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(12-07-2013 05:20 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(12-07-2013 05:03 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(12-07-2013 04:47 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  False. If you look at any statistics...attendance, revenue, tv ratings, fan base size...OSU outranked Oklahoma in all of them.

Oklahoma Alabama are considered the more prestigious programs of all time. You have no way to measure which school has a bigger fan base.

When you look at the big picture of college football since 1936, no program has achieved greatness as consistently as Oklahoma. We didn't even count the fact that Oklahoma owns the longest win streak in FBS history (47) or leads the nation with a .765 winning percentage since World War II. The 1956 Oklahoma team catapulted the Sooners past Notre Dame to the top of the Prestige Rankings, and it's been in the top spot ever since. OU's seven national titles have spanned four decades. The Sooners have finished in the final poll's top 5 an astounding 29 times. But the real fuel for OU's rise to the top of our rankings has been its conference dominance. The Sooners finished the regular season with at least a share of their conference's best record a stunning 39 times, seven more than any other program in the country.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3849468

How many people care about what happened between 1936 and let's say 1986...seriously. This article is 4 years old and only takes into account performance only. I'm talking about value, fans, tv viewership, etc. It's the same reason why right now, every bowl under the sun would love to have Notre Dame. Ohio State is in a similar category.

You can be mad about it and you can make outlandish claims about attendance and fan bases...but the numbers do not lie. We have the superior record and the recognized prestige. Don't get me wrong, OSU is a great program with lots of history, but you don't have the brass or the history to talk down to Oklahoma.

We also have the better rivalry game. Anyone thinking Ohio State/Michigan is on the level of the RSSO is high on their own homerism.

I think you are guilty of your own claim if you are saying that Ohio State vs Michigan is not on the level of Oklahoma and Texas. You cannot claim history as your argument on one hand and then ignore history on this point.

The Orange Bowl might take OSU or they might take OU. Who knows and quite frankly who cares? To argue though that it is homerism to say that the Ohio State and Michigan rivalry is less than that of the Texas and Oklahoma rivalry, well that is pure homerism at it's finest and that makes you a hypocrite.

You kinda asked for it man with your smug comment about "I don't know why anyone would pick OU over Ohio State." As if Ohio State is on some kind of higher level - which they aren't.

I would have been happy to say they are both great programs. I still am happy to do that.

(12-07-2013 04:47 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(12-07-2013 04:40 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(12-07-2013 03:58 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(12-07-2013 03:53 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(12-07-2013 03:51 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  Big 12 isn't going to the Orange. Sugar is more likely.

It's possible. If Michigan St beats Ohio St pretty badly, I could easily see the Orange taking Oklahoma(with all their past history in the Orange) over a Ohio St team.

I can't think of a single reason why you would take Oklahoma ahead of Ohio State. OSU is one of the most watched teams in the country.

Oklahoma is the premier program over Ohio State. I'm sorry.

False. If you look at any statistics...attendance, revenue, tv ratings, fan base size...OSU outranked Oklahoma in all of them.

IIRC Sports Illustratred and some others have rated the top teams since 1950 and OU is NO. 1 or No. 2 and almost always in the top 5.

(12-07-2013 05:36 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(12-07-2013 05:32 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(12-07-2013 05:26 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(12-07-2013 05:20 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(12-07-2013 05:03 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  Oklahoma Alabama are considered the more prestigious programs of all time. You have no way to measure which school has a bigger fan base.

When you look at the big picture of college football since 1936, no program has achieved greatness as consistently as Oklahoma. We didn't even count the fact that Oklahoma owns the longest win streak in FBS history (47) or leads the nation with a .765 winning percentage since World War II. The 1956 Oklahoma team catapulted the Sooners past Notre Dame to the top of the Prestige Rankings, and it's been in the top spot ever since. OU's seven national titles have spanned four decades. The Sooners have finished in the final poll's top 5 an astounding 29 times. But the real fuel for OU's rise to the top of our rankings has been its conference dominance. The Sooners finished the regular season with at least a share of their conference's best record a stunning 39 times, seven more than any other program in the country.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3849468

How many people care about what happened between 1936 and let's say 1986...seriously. This article is 4 years old and only takes into account performance only. I'm talking about value, fans, tv viewership, etc. It's the same reason why right now, every bowl under the sun would love to have Notre Dame. Ohio State is in a similar category.

You can be mad about it and you can make outlandish claims about attendance and fan bases...but the numbers do not lie. We have the superior record and the recognized prestige. Don't get me wrong, OSU is a great program with lots of history, but you don't have the brass or the history to talk down to Oklahoma.

We also have the better rivalry game. Anyone thinking Ohio State/Michigan is on the level of the RSSO is high on their own homerism.

I think you are guilty of your own claim if you are saying that Ohio State vs Michigan is not on the level of Oklahoma and Texas. You cannot claim history as your argument on one hand and then ignore history on this point.

The Orange Bowl might take OSU or they might take OU. Who knows and quite frankly who cares? To argue though that it is homerism to say that the Ohio State and Michigan rivalry is less than that of the Texas and Oklahoma rivalry, well that is pure homerism at it's finest and that makes you a hypocrite.

You kinda asked for it man with your smug comment about "I don't know why anyone would pick OU over Ohio State" comment. As if Ohio State is on some kind of higher level - which they aren't.

I would have been happy to say they are both great programs. I still am happy to do that.

You do realize you are responding to two DIFFERENT individuals don't you? I AM the one that said the Orange Bowl could pick either team.

(12-07-2013 05:42 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(12-07-2013 05:36 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(12-07-2013 05:32 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(12-07-2013 05:26 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(12-07-2013 05:20 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  How many people care about what happened between 1936 and let's say 1986...seriously. This article is 4 years old and only takes into account performance only. I'm talking about value, fans, tv viewership, etc. It's the same reason why right now, every bowl under the sun would love to have Notre Dame. Ohio State is in a similar category.

You can be mad about it and you can make outlandish claims about attendance and fan bases...but the numbers do not lie. We have the superior record and the recognized prestige. Don't get me wrong, OSU is a great program with lots of history, but you don't have the brass or the history to talk down to Oklahoma.

We also have the better rivalry game. Anyone thinking Ohio State/Michigan is on the level of the RSSO is high on their own homerism.

I think you are guilty of your own claim if you are saying that Ohio State vs Michigan is not on the level of Oklahoma and Texas. You cannot claim history as your argument on one hand and then ignore history on this point.

The Orange Bowl might take OSU or they might take OU. Who knows and quite frankly who cares? To argue though that it is homerism to say that the Ohio State and Michigan rivalry is less than that of the Texas and Oklahoma rivalry, well that is pure homerism at it's finest and that makes you a hypocrite.

You kinda asked for it man with your smug comment about "I don't know why anyone would pick OU over Ohio State" comment. As if Ohio State is on some kind of higher level - which they aren't.

I would have been happy to say they are both great programs. I still am happy to do that.

You do realize you are responding to two DIFFERENT individuals don't you? I AM the one that said the Orange Bowl could pick either team.

Yeah, I was thinking you were the first guy.

We'll know more after the Baylor/Texas game.

(12-07-2013 05:52 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(12-07-2013 05:42 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(12-07-2013 05:36 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(12-07-2013 05:32 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(12-07-2013 05:26 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  You can be mad about it and you can make outlandish claims about attendance and fan bases...but the numbers do not lie. We have the superior record and the recognized prestige. Don't get me wrong, OSU is a great program with lots of history, but you don't have the brass or the history to talk down to Oklahoma.

We also have the better rivalry game. Anyone thinking Ohio State/Michigan is on the level of the RSSO is high on their own homerism.

I think you are guilty of your own claim if you are saying that Ohio State vs Michigan is not on the level of Oklahoma and Texas. You cannot claim history as your argument on one hand and then ignore history on this point.

The Orange Bowl might take OSU or they might take OU. Who knows and quite frankly who cares? To argue though that it is homerism to say that the Ohio State and Michigan rivalry is less than that of the Texas and Oklahoma rivalry, well that is pure homerism at it's finest and that makes you a hypocrite.

You kinda asked for it man with your smug comment about "I don't know why anyone would pick OU over Ohio State" comment. As if Ohio State is on some kind of higher level - which they aren't.

I would have been happy to say they are both great programs. I still am happy to do that.

You do realize you are responding to two DIFFERENT individuals don't you? I AM the one that said the Orange Bowl could pick either team.

Yeah, I was thinking you were the first guy.

We'll know more after the Baylor/Texas game.

Let me give you an example of what I'm talking about. Television numbers don't lie.

The highest rated game for Oklahoma this year was a 3.0 vs Texas.

Ohio State had a 5.8 vs Michigan, 4.0 vs Wisconsin, 4.4 vs Northwestern. So OSU had three games rated higher than what you say is your biggest rivalry game.

Look, I'm not telling you OSU is so much higher than OKlahoma. I'm just telling you what the networks and bowl teams want. OSU just happens to have a huge following. Just like Notre Dame and Alabama.

(12-07-2013 05:56 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(12-07-2013 05:52 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(12-07-2013 05:42 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(12-07-2013 05:36 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(12-07-2013 05:32 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  I think you are guilty of your own claim if you are saying that Ohio State vs Michigan is not on the level of Oklahoma and Texas. You cannot claim history as your argument on one hand and then ignore history on this point.

The Orange Bowl might take OSU or they might take OU. Who knows and quite frankly who cares? To argue though that it is homerism to say that the Ohio State and Michigan rivalry is less than that of the Texas and Oklahoma rivalry, well that is pure homerism at it's finest and that makes you a hypocrite.

You kinda asked for it man with your smug comment about "I don't know why anyone would pick OU over Ohio State" comment. As if Ohio State is on some kind of higher level - which they aren't.

I would have been happy to say they are both great programs. I still am happy to do that.

You do realize you are responding to two DIFFERENT individuals don't you? I AM the one that said the Orange Bowl could pick either team.

Yeah, I was thinking you were the first guy.

We'll know more after the Baylor/Texas game.

Let me give you an example of what I'm talking about. Television numbers don't lie.

The highest rated game for Oklahoma this year was a 3.0 vs Texas.

Ohio State had a 5.8 vs Michigan, 4.0 vs Wisconsin, 4.4 vs Northwestern. So OSU had three games rated higher than what you say is your biggest rivalry game.

Look, I'm not telling you OSU is so much higher than OKlahoma. I'm just telling you what the networks and bowl teams want. OSU just happens to have a huge following. Just like Notre Dame and Alabama.

Pal, let it go. You aren't on a higher level. We have the same following. Stop using other elite teams as something we should aspire to be. We are already that program.

Good game today Dixie. BOOOOMMEERRRR!

(12-07-2013 06:05 PM)Knightsweat Wrote:  Good game today Dixie. BOOOOMMEERRRR!

Indeed. SOONER!!

(12-07-2013 05:59 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(12-07-2013 05:56 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(12-07-2013 05:52 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(12-07-2013 05:42 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(12-07-2013 05:36 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  You kinda asked for it man with your smug comment about "I don't know why anyone would pick OU over Ohio State" comment. As if Ohio State is on some kind of higher level - which they aren't.

I would have been happy to say they are both great programs. I still am happy to do that.

You do realize you are responding to two DIFFERENT individuals don't you? I AM the one that said the Orange Bowl could pick either team.

Yeah, I was thinking you were the first guy.

We'll know more after the Baylor/Texas game.

Let me give you an example of what I'm talking about. Television numbers don't lie.

The highest rated game for Oklahoma this year was a 3.0 vs Texas.

Ohio State had a 5.8 vs Michigan, 4.0 vs Wisconsin, 4.4 vs Northwestern. So OSU had three games rated higher than what you say is your biggest rivalry game.

Look, I'm not telling you OSU is so much higher than OKlahoma. I'm just telling you what the networks and bowl teams want. OSU just happens to have a huge following. Just like Notre Dame and Alabama.

Pal, let it go. You aren't on a higher level. We have the same following. Stop using other elite teams as something we should aspire to be. We are already that program.

Dude, I don't root for Ohio State. I hate Ohio State. I'm just taking an objective view. If Oklahoma gets an at large bid, I can see them going to the Sugar to play either Auburn, Missouri, or Alabama.

Frankly, I believe that in-state rivalry games are bigger and fiercer than out of state rivalry games. With the exception of the Army-Navy game.

Shoot, if I'm the Orange, I'm seriously considering taking Ohio St AND Oklahoma!!!

(12-07-2013 09:53 PM)stever20 Wrote:  Shoot, if I'm the Orange, I'm seriously considering taking Ohio St AND Oklahoma!!!

Ha ha. Jumping to conclusions. I pointed out before that Ohio State is a team that has had to play and win through adversity. Everyone wants to think they are weak because of it but they are proving right now that such trials during the season are paying off.

They have adapted and are going into the locker room with the momentum.

I got to say though, if the Orange could end up with Oklahoma vs Ohio State then they would probably be pissin' themselves in excitement.