Chappy
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RE: ACC in Early Stages of Redrawing Divisions
It might sound amusing, but I hear that opinion from long-time ACC fans all the time. There are many who feel exactly that way.
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12-18-2013 06:35 AM |
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stxrunner
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RE: ACC in Early Stages of Redrawing Divisions
(12-18-2013 12:36 AM)Hoodoyoubelongto Wrote: (12-17-2013 11:21 PM)domer1978 Wrote: (12-17-2013 10:13 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote: (12-17-2013 06:55 PM)domer1978 Wrote: (12-17-2013 06:33 PM)BigOwensboroCard Wrote: Bring in WVU and ND as a full member then split the divisions north and south.
North
Boston College
Syracuse
Pitt
Notre Dame
Louisville
WVU
Virginia Tech
Virginia
South
Miami
FSU
Clemson
Georgia Tech
UNC
Wake Forest
Duke
NC State
It doesn't get any simpler than that with the N/S setup. The cross over games could be ND/GT, UofL/FSU, BC/UM, WVU/CU, UVa/UNC, Pitt/NCST, Cuse/WF. Again doesn't get any simpler than this, but only if Notre Dame signs on and voting WVU in to complete the North division. If not then it will look pretty much like it does now maybe with a little tweaking here and there on who plays who.
That assumes we will ever join which isn't likely in my/our lifetime.
With thatinfo IMO .
The ACC should invite UConn and Cincy and just stop at 16.5.
What is the source of the obsession over getting UConn into the ACC?
I like UConn and think they belong in the ACC(IMO). Now if I had to choose who I would want as a "partner" it would be Cincy because of midwest roots.
The reason I mentioned both of them was to make it an even 16 for football.
The real remaining ACC teams, UNC, Duke, NC State, Clemson, Wake, UVa, and to a lesser degree, Georgia Tech and Florida State, largely want nothing to do with the creeping mediocrity of the dissimilar Big East detritus that has become backfill for the conference. UVa does not belong in a division with Pitt, Syracuse, Louisville, Boston College or the rest of the Metro/Big East castaways. Sending VPISU and Wake to the North is the only logical solution that prevents the taint of Big East while minimizing travel. You can send State to the North and put Louisville in the South if you had too. The point being, Pitt, Louisville, Syracuse, BC, VPISU and Miami are qualitatively inferior in every respect to Duke, Carolina, and UVa and the new ACC sucks compared to the 9 team league that existed in 2002.
Sounds like you would be happier in the B1G to me since you are so far superior to the 'new ACC' to be associated with that wanton filth you thumb your nose at.
I doubt the ACC would skip a beat if UVa was the only departure, so feel free. As a UC fan, I certainly wouldn't complain if it somehow helped us. You have an excellent conference, so stop your whining.
(This post was last modified: 12-18-2013 10:28 AM by stxrunner.)
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12-18-2013 10:20 AM |
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WNCOrange
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RE: ACC in Early Stages of Redrawing Divisions
(12-18-2013 06:35 AM)Chappy Wrote: It might sound amusing, but I hear that opinion from long-time ACC fans all the time. There are many who feel exactly that way.
Thankfully they will be dying off before too long.
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12-18-2013 10:26 AM |
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LSUtah
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RE: ACC in Early Stages of Redrawing Divisions
Just an outsider opinion, but perception for Virginia in the ACC is the same as...
Cal in the PAC
Northwestern in the B1G
Vanderbilt in the SEC
These are all well respected, charter and valued members of their conferences. However, they do not have enough influence or cache individually to chart course for the boader conference.
(This post was last modified: 12-18-2013 10:33 AM by LSUtah.)
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12-18-2013 10:27 AM |
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RE: ACC in Early Stages of Redrawing Divisions
(12-18-2013 10:26 AM)WNCOrange Wrote: (12-18-2013 06:35 AM)Chappy Wrote: It might sound amusing, but I hear that opinion from long-time ACC fans all the time. There are many who feel exactly that way.
Thankfully they will be dying off before too long.
Harsh...but many hang on to the Old Traditions instead of embracing the new...
(This post was last modified: 12-18-2013 10:30 AM by Maize.)
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12-18-2013 10:29 AM |
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Hoodoyoubelongto
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RE: ACC in Early Stages of Redrawing Divisions
(12-18-2013 12:59 AM)cuseroc Wrote: (12-18-2013 12:36 AM)Hoodoyoubelongto Wrote: (12-17-2013 11:21 PM)domer1978 Wrote: (12-17-2013 10:13 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote: (12-17-2013 06:55 PM)domer1978 Wrote: That assumes we will ever join which isn't likely in my/our lifetime.
With thatinfo IMO .
The ACC should invite UConn and Cincy and just stop at 16.5.
What is the source of the obsession over getting UConn into the ACC?
I like UConn and think they belong in the ACC(IMO). Now if I had to choose who I would want as a "partner" it would be Cincy because of midwest roots.
The reason I mentioned both of them was to make it an even 16 for football.
The real remaining ACC teams, UNC, Duke, NC State, Clemson, Wake, UVa, and to a lesser degree, Georgia Tech and Florida State, largely want nothing to do with the creeping mediocrity of the dissimilar Big East detritus that has become backfill for the conference. UVa does not belong in a division with Pitt, Syracuse, Louisville, Boston College or the rest of the Metro/Big East castaways. Sending VPISU and Wake to the North is the only logical solution that prevents the taint of Big East while minimizing travel. You can send State to the North and put Louisville in the South if you had too. The point being, Pitt, Louisville, Syracuse, BC, VPISU and Miami are qualitatively inferior in every respect to Duke, Carolina, and UVa and the new ACC sucks compared to the 9 team league that existed in 2002.
Exactly what is Virginia good at? At least Duke and UNC are very good at basketball, Duke is pretty good this year in football and UNC is pretty good. But its hard for me to figure out how you think that UVA is superior to any other school in the Acc. Every other school in the ACC is decent to good at one of the revenue sports. So who would Virginia be superior to since they are not good at any of the revenue sports?
I am the first to admit that the football team is terrible, and the fact that we didn't even DISCUSS firing London after a 2-10 season speaks poorly to Littlepage's "leadership." That being said, basketball (both men's and women's), baseball, soccer, lacrosse, tennis and swimming are all very competitive. Our facilities are excellent and continue to improve. We are the flagship school in one of largest states in the ACC. Additionally, while TV and revenue sports have driven the discussions, the emphasis on revenue sports also misses the point that the ACC has traditionally been focused on both athletic and academic success. The SAT standards were the very reason that drove South Carolina out of the door in the 70s. Right now, now only Duke and quasi-member Notre Dame are ranked ahead of us academically (we are tied with Wake), and anyone who has ever set foot in Charlottesville or Chapel Hill will tell you that either school is light years ahead of a commuter school like Louisville in any possible respect --- environment, academics, you name it. I would rather watch a game at the Dean Dome or the JPJ than an off-campus, pseudo-NBA fried chicken "Center." If we are going to be realigned in the ACC and forced to play northern schools constantly, I would just assume join the B1G and get the CIC money.
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12-18-2013 11:46 AM |
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Kaplony
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RE: ACC in Early Stages of Redrawing Divisions
(12-18-2013 11:46 AM)Hoodoyoubelongto Wrote: I am the first to admit that the football team is terrible, and the fact that we didn't even DISCUSS firing London after a 2-10 season speaks poorly to Littlepage's "leadership." That being said, basketball (both men's and women's), baseball, soccer, lacrosse, tennis and swimming are all very competitive.
UVA has averaged less then 7 ACC wins a year in men's hoops the past 10 years. They have averaged a little better then 3 wins a year in football in the same time frame. When ESPN starts paying us for all those secondary sports you and every other UVA fan likes to brag about then perhaps we will start to take UVA seriously but until then we will continue to mock you bowtie wearing morons for being absolutely worthless athletically to the ACC.
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12-18-2013 12:17 PM |
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lumberpack4
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RE: ACC in Early Stages of Redrawing Divisions
(12-18-2013 10:27 AM)LSUtah Wrote: Just an outsider opinion, but perception for Virginia in the ACC is the same as...
Cal in the PAC
Northwestern in the B1G
Vanderbilt in the SEC
These are all well respected, charter and valued members of their conferences. However, they do not have enough influence or cache individually to chart course for the boader conference.
Actually Virginia is NOT a charter member of the ACC.
Virginia was the first expansion team, rejoining the group after leaving the SoCon in 1936. It was Virginia's vote that kept VT out of the ACC in 1953.
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12-18-2013 12:28 PM |
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RE: ACC in Early Stages of Redrawing Divisions
Last time UVa was good They had Ralph Sampson and 3 Louisvillians named Lamp, Raker & Gates and a Kentuckian named Jones . Yeah, UVa Kickin' It !
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12-18-2013 12:28 PM |
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lumberpack4
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RE: ACC in Early Stages of Redrawing Divisions
(12-17-2013 11:21 PM)domer1978 Wrote: (12-17-2013 10:13 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote: (12-17-2013 06:55 PM)domer1978 Wrote: (12-17-2013 06:33 PM)BigOwensboroCard Wrote: Bring in WVU and ND as a full member then split the divisions north and south.
North
Boston College
Syracuse
Pitt
Notre Dame
Louisville
WVU
Virginia Tech
Virginia
South
Miami
FSU
Clemson
Georgia Tech
UNC
Wake Forest
Duke
NC State
It doesn't get any simpler than that with the N/S setup. The cross over games could be ND/GT, UofL/FSU, BC/UM, WVU/CU, UVa/UNC, Pitt/NCST, Cuse/WF. Again doesn't get any simpler than this, but only if Notre Dame signs on and voting WVU in to complete the North division. If not then it will look pretty much like it does now maybe with a little tweaking here and there on who plays who.
That assumes we will ever join which isn't likely in my/our lifetime.
With thatinfo IMO .
The ACC should invite UConn and Cincy and just stop at 16.5.
What is the source of the obsession over getting UConn into the ACC?
I like UConn and think they belong in the ACC(IMO). Now if I had to choose who I would want as a "partner" it would be Cincy because of midwest roots.
The reason I mentioned both of them was to make it an even 16 for football.
Now we are getting somewhere - liking UConn is the reason some folks think they might get in the ACC. In reality UConn is not much different from Villanova and I like Villanova, but they aren't getting into the ACC either.
Perhaps it's the northeastern media that has raised the unrealistic expectations around UConn and the ACC.
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12-18-2013 12:32 PM |
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RE: ACC in Early Stages of Redrawing Divisions
(12-18-2013 12:59 AM)cuseroc Wrote: Exactly what is Virginia good at?
They've got a real good History department, but to find their value in revenue sports, it might be that a good Creative Writing department is what they really need.
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12-18-2013 04:19 PM |
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RE: ACC in Early Stages of Redrawing Divisions
(12-18-2013 04:19 PM)BruceMcF Wrote: (12-18-2013 12:59 AM)cuseroc Wrote: Exactly what is Virginia good at?
They've got a real good History department, but to find their value in revenue sports, it might be that a good Creative Writing department is what they really need.
Very clever!
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12-18-2013 04:24 PM |
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RE: ACC in Early Stages of Redrawing Divisions
https://twitter.com/fineout
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NC State AD Yow called for a discussion bc "I doubt we could come to any conclusions earlier by phone, given the significance" of item
Gary Fineout @fineout 1h
End of FSU-Miami every year? Syracuse AD notes there are "obvious playing partners" but said it better for ACC to eliminate them
Gary Fineout @fineout 1h
NC State AD told other ACC athletic directors they would have a "full vetting" of restructuring in January
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Syracuse AD emailed ACC directors in Nov. lamenting current structure and said it minimized chance for teams to play in major media markets
Gary Fineout @fineout 1h
Internal emails show Atlantic Coast Conf. athletic directors plan to discuss changing football schedules & potentially amend ACC divisions
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12-18-2013 06:43 PM |
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RE: ACC in Early Stages of Redrawing Divisions
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Now we are getting somewhere - liking UConn is the reason some folks think they might get in the ACC. In reality UConn is not much different from Villanova and I like Villanova, but they aren't getting into the ACC either.
Perhaps it's the northeastern media that has raised the unrealistic expectations around UConn and the ACC.
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UConn isn't wanted by the ACC or any other P5 conference.
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12-18-2013 09:15 PM |
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