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RE: The Conference Championship Issue raises its head again with NIU loss
(12-07-2013 03:42 PM)bullet Wrote:  In any event, who said the Big 12 didn't have a conference championship game?

Hook 'em!

Who said a conference is hurting itself by providing their best team with an opportunity to lose in the last week by playing in a conference championship?

The Big 12 is doing that as well without getting the money for marketing a Conference Championship game.
12-07-2013 03:47 PM
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RE: The Conference Championship Issue raises its head again with NIU loss
(12-07-2013 02:14 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(12-07-2013 11:35 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(12-07-2013 11:28 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
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(12-07-2013 11:18 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  CCG is a two-edged sword, it can help or hurt in getting to the BCS title game or a BCS bowl, depending on whether you win or lose it. But it isn't inherently good or bad.

Name one time it has helped a conference get a team in. I don't think you can. It has switched teams (Florida over Alabama 2008 for example) but I don't think it has ever gotten a conference a slot it didn't have before. And it has cost the Big 12 3 times, nearly 5.

If the SEC doesn't have a championship game, LSU doesn't play in the 2003 title game over USC and probably not the 2007 one either. Florida definitely doesn't make the 2006 game over Michigan.

Good point about 2003. But the fix was in for LSU in 2007. They kept losing and kept getting put back at #1. Pollsters wanted to justify their preseason predictions. Their win over TN wasn't especially impressive (unlike 2003).

2006 is arguable, but I don't think they were inclined to give Michigan a rematch against Ohio St. unlike in 2011. Hard to explain why the ESPN talking heads made exactly the opposite arguments they had made in 2006 (some of the same people).

I don't think 2006 is arguable. Florida barely beat out Michigan for #2, and without the win in the SEC title game over #8 Arkansas, they would have been much weaker in the computers and minds of voters.
I don't think it made much difference with the voters. Hard to say with the computers. Michigan still beat them in 3 of the 6 computers.
12-07-2013 03:51 PM
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RE: The Conference Championship Issue raises its head again with NIU loss
(12-07-2013 03:51 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(12-07-2013 02:14 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(12-07-2013 11:35 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(12-07-2013 11:28 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(12-07-2013 11:24 AM)bullet Wrote:  Name one time it has helped a conference get a team in. I don't think you can. It has switched teams (Florida over Alabama 2008 for example) but I don't think it has ever gotten a conference a slot it didn't have before. And it has cost the Big 12 3 times, nearly 5.

If the SEC doesn't have a championship game, LSU doesn't play in the 2003 title game over USC and probably not the 2007 one either. Florida definitely doesn't make the 2006 game over Michigan.

Good point about 2003. But the fix was in for LSU in 2007. They kept losing and kept getting put back at #1. Pollsters wanted to justify their preseason predictions. Their win over TN wasn't especially impressive (unlike 2003).

2006 is arguable, but I don't think they were inclined to give Michigan a rematch against Ohio St. unlike in 2011. Hard to explain why the ESPN talking heads made exactly the opposite arguments they had made in 2006 (some of the same people).

I don't think 2006 is arguable. Florida barely beat out Michigan for #2, and without the win in the SEC title game over #8 Arkansas, they would have been much weaker in the computers and minds of voters.
I don't think it made much difference with the voters. Hard to say with the computers. Michigan still beat them in 3 of the 6 computers.

They were tied in the computers. Without that boost in the computers from the SOS of the title game vs Arkansas, Michigan is unanimous ahead of Florida in the computers, and Florida never gets in.
12-07-2013 03:54 PM
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