(12-10-2013 08:07 PM)msu_bears Wrote:  

(12-10-2013 01:02 PM)panama Wrote:  MoState can play in the east just like Mizzou.

East
Missouri State
Troy
Appalachian State
Georgia State
Georgia Southern
South Alabama

West
New Mexico State
Texas State
Louisiana
Louisiana-Monroe
Idaho
Arkansas State

football only: yes.
all sports: We would never accept that offer because of how pathetic that conference is in basketball. Maybe if we can we get a deal like Umass where we only have to play 4 basketball games a year.

I am not entirely sure the SBC would use divisions in basketball anyway. We just got rid of them this year, and do not plan on using them next year.

(12-07-2013 10:11 AM)Love and Honor Wrote:  

(12-06-2013 11:02 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  

(12-06-2013 08:30 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  If MSU ever gets a decent football program together, I'd love to see you in the MAC. I know you just tied for second in the Valley, but if you guys want to be considered FBS-worthy you really should find a coach who'll take you to the next level.

Having a good football team is a requirement for being in the mac?

We've learned our lesson with UCF, Temple, and UMass, don't take weak football-only schools who can easily pick up and leave to another conference. If the MAC adds an FCS school, they're going to need at least a competitive football team.

We may be winless but we'll be back in a few years. We have a coach that won two national titles at DII, along new suites and an IPF soon be under construction. The MAC has enough parity that we're not as far away as a team like Kentucky is in the SEC.

The weak football only school that went 4-1 against Miami in the MAC?

(12-10-2013 11:24 PM)JHG722 Wrote:  

(12-07-2013 10:11 AM)Love and Honor Wrote:  

(12-06-2013 11:02 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  

(12-06-2013 08:30 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  If MSU ever gets a decent football program together, I'd love to see you in the MAC. I know you just tied for second in the Valley, but if you guys want to be considered FBS-worthy you really should find a coach who'll take you to the next level.

Having a good football team is a requirement for being in the mac?

We've learned our lesson with UCF, Temple, and UMass, don't take weak football-only schools who can easily pick up and leave to another conference. If the MAC adds an FCS school, they're going to need at least a competitive football team.

We may be winless but we'll be back in a few years. We have a coach that won two national titles at DII, along new suites and an IPF soon be under construction. The MAC has enough parity that we're not as far away as a team like Kentucky is in the SEC.

The weak football only school that went 4-1 against Miami in the MAC?

Congratulations, you beat us four times in the midst of our weakest decade in program history. Do you really want to brag about beating up on a team that went a combined 13-36 in the years you won against us? Do you really want to brag about how Temple never beat a MAC team with a winning record in five years?

The point isn't about how Temple grew as a program when you were affiliated with us, the point is that we accepted you when you had just been exiled from the Big East for sucking for so long. Admittedly, you began to do well as time passed, but what did we get in return in the long run? Nothing really, that's the problem with taking football-only schools like UCF and Temple; they can pick up and move to greener pastures with relatively minimal consequences, contributing little in return. Missouri State shouldn't expect a FBS conference to do so.

Jus sayin'

(12-10-2013 11:44 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  

(12-10-2013 11:24 PM)JHG722 Wrote:  

(12-07-2013 10:11 AM)Love and Honor Wrote:  

(12-06-2013 11:02 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  

(12-06-2013 08:30 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  If MSU ever gets a decent football program together, I'd love to see you in the MAC. I know you just tied for second in the Valley, but if you guys want to be considered FBS-worthy you really should find a coach who'll take you to the next level.

Having a good football team is a requirement for being in the mac?

We've learned our lesson with UCF, Temple, and UMass, don't take weak football-only schools who can easily pick up and leave to another conference. If the MAC adds an FCS school, they're going to need at least a competitive football team.

We may be winless but we'll be back in a few years. We have a coach that won two national titles at DII, along new suites and an IPF soon be under construction. The MAC has enough parity that we're not as far away as a team like Kentucky is in the SEC.

The weak football only school that went 4-1 against Miami in the MAC?

Congratulations, you beat us four times in the midst of our weakest decade in program history. Do you really want to brag about beating up on a team that went a combined 13-36 in the years you won against us? Do you really want to brag about how Temple never beat a MAC team with a winning record in five years?

The point isn't about how Temple grew as a program when you were affiliated with us, the point is that we accepted you when you had just been exiled from the Big East for sucking for so long. Admittedly, you began to do well as time passed, but what did we get in return in the long run? Nothing really, that's the problem with taking football-only schools like UCF and Temple; they can pick up and move to greener pastures with relatively minimal consequences, contributing little in return. Missouri State shouldn't expect a FBS conference to do so.

And UMass will jump to the American the second they don't suck. If they are a sucky drag on your conference....they'll stay. If they actually help your conference.....they're gone.

I see Missouri State as a more reliable team for the Sun Belt, long term, with more of a chance to actually contribute something positive to the league than other teams that apparently just want to sullenly park their football in our conference for only as long as they absolutely have to (JMU)

(12-11-2013 12:18 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(12-10-2013 11:44 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  

(12-10-2013 11:24 PM)JHG722 Wrote:  

(12-07-2013 10:11 AM)Love and Honor Wrote:  

(12-06-2013 11:02 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  Having a good football team is a requirement for being in the mac?

We've learned our lesson with UCF, Temple, and UMass, don't take weak football-only schools who can easily pick up and leave to another conference. If the MAC adds an FCS school, they're going to need at least a competitive football team.

We may be winless but we'll be back in a few years. We have a coach that won two national titles at DII, along new suites and an IPF soon be under construction. The MAC has enough parity that we're not as far away as a team like Kentucky is in the SEC.

The weak football only school that went 4-1 against Miami in the MAC?

Congratulations, you beat us four times in the midst of our weakest decade in program history. Do you really want to brag about beating up on a team that went a combined 13-36 in the years you won against us? Do you really want to brag about how Temple never beat a MAC team with a winning record in five years?

The point isn't about how Temple grew as a program when you were affiliated with us, the point is that we accepted you when you had just been exiled from the Big East for sucking for so long. Admittedly, you began to do well as time passed, but what did we get in return in the long run? Nothing really, that's the problem with taking football-only schools like UCF and Temple; they can pick up and move to greener pastures with relatively minimal consequences, contributing little in return. Missouri State shouldn't expect a FBS conference to do so.

And UMass will jump to the American the second they don't suck. If they are a sucky drag on your conference....they'll stay. If they actually help your conference.....they're gone.

I see Missouri State as a more reliable team for the Sun Belt, long term, with more of a chance to actually contribute something positive to the league than other teams that apparently just want to sullenly park their football in our conference for only as long as they absolutely have to (JMU)

If adding FCS schools, Sun Belt can take Missouri State, and MAC can take JMU.

(12-11-2013 03:38 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(12-11-2013 12:18 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(12-10-2013 11:44 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  

(12-10-2013 11:24 PM)JHG722 Wrote:  

(12-07-2013 10:11 AM)Love and Honor Wrote:  We've learned our lesson with UCF, Temple, and UMass, don't take weak football-only schools who can easily pick up and leave to another conference. If the MAC adds an FCS school, they're going to need at least a competitive football team.

We may be winless but we'll be back in a few years. We have a coach that won two national titles at DII, along new suites and an IPF soon be under construction. The MAC has enough parity that we're not as far away as a team like Kentucky is in the SEC.

The weak football only school that went 4-1 against Miami in the MAC?

Congratulations, you beat us four times in the midst of our weakest decade in program history. Do you really want to brag about beating up on a team that went a combined 13-36 in the years you won against us? Do you really want to brag about how Temple never beat a MAC team with a winning record in five years?

The point isn't about how Temple grew as a program when you were affiliated with us, the point is that we accepted you when you had just been exiled from the Big East for sucking for so long. Admittedly, you began to do well as time passed, but what did we get in return in the long run? Nothing really, that's the problem with taking football-only schools like UCF and Temple; they can pick up and move to greener pastures with relatively minimal consequences, contributing little in return. Missouri State shouldn't expect a FBS conference to do so.

And UMass will jump to the American the second they don't suck. If they are a sucky drag on your conference....they'll stay. If they actually help your conference.....they're gone.

I see Missouri State as a more reliable team for the Sun Belt, long term, with more of a chance to actually contribute something positive to the league than other teams that apparently just want to sullenly park their football in our conference for only as long as they absolutely have to (JMU)

If adding FCS schools, Sun Belt can take Missouri State, and MAC can take JMU.

Deal...

some renders I found:

new eastside football stands (will be similar in seating capacity to current stands)


new berm seating and plaza where north end of the track currently sits


as a reference, the track and stands on the right of this picture are being removed. without the track a large space between the field and the street opens up allowing room future endzone seating to "horseshoe the stadium" to increase seating capacity if it is ever needed(such as a move to FBS or for temporary stands for a FCS playoff home game)


the west side stands will remain the same


new field design (I find the center logo to be way too large...)

I find it interesting how it says 'conference logo' instead of 'MVFC logo.'

Wouldn't the Sun Belt logo in this case be Maroon and White, not just White?

This really bugs me. Teams like EKU and Missouri St. just now say they want to move to FBS, and my team, Liberty, is ready now and more than prepared to move up... but there are no invites and no way for them to move forward or upward. This is inherently unfair. I know that both Mo. St. and EKU are far more likely to make it. And the NCAA is a private club and they make the rules. But I still don't have to like it. This "a conference must invite you" before you can grow up is stupid! Sorry, I just had to vent for a momment. With that out of the way, I'd love to see both Mo. St. and EKU in FBS.

It's like the P5 conference trying to shut all the other conferences out of playoffs, high profile bowls and paydays. All the teams should have the opportunity to compete on the same stage. Sorry, I was about to get back up on the soap box again.

May Mo. St., EKU and FGCU football dreams come true!

Lol Liberty. How old is the earth?

(12-15-2013 12:34 PM)army56mike Wrote:  This really bugs me. Teams like EKU and Missouri St. just now say they want to move to FBS, and my team, Liberty, is ready now and more than prepared to move up... but there are no invites and no way for them to move forward or upward. This is inherently unfair. I know that both Mo. St. and EKU are far more likely to make it. And the NCAA is a private club and they make the rules. But I still don't have to like it. This "a conference must invite you" before you can grow up is stupid! Sorry, I just had to vent for a momment. With that out of the way, I'd love to see both Mo. St. and EKU in FBS.

It's like the P5 conference trying to shut all the other conferences out of playoffs, high profile bowls and paydays. All the teams should have the opportunity to compete on the same stage. Sorry, I was about to get back up on the soap box again.

May Mo. St., EKU and FGCU football dreams come true!

The Belt and MAC are public school conferences that don't want to be associated with the political baggage that comes along with Liberty. That's just the truth, whether it's fair or unfair.

(12-10-2013 08:07 PM)msu_bears Wrote:  

(12-10-2013 01:02 PM)panama Wrote:  MoState can play in the east just like Mizzou.

East
Missouri State
Troy
Appalachian State
Georgia State
Georgia Southern
South Alabama

West
New Mexico State
Texas State
Louisiana
Louisiana-Monroe
Idaho
Arkansas State

football only: yes.
all sports: We would never accept that offer because of how pathetic that conference is in basketball. Maybe if we can we get a deal like Umass where we only have to play 4 basketball games a year.

Please, you would really turn down an easier path to the tournament? Without WKU, USA is the only real basketball school in the conference. MSU could run the conference if they wanted. The SBC got two in the tournament last year so let's not act like you'd be moving to the SWAC.

(12-15-2013 07:06 PM)Eagleditka Wrote:  

(12-10-2013 08:07 PM)msu_bears Wrote:  

(12-10-2013 01:02 PM)panama Wrote:  MoState can play in the east just like Mizzou.

East
Missouri State
Troy
Appalachian State
Georgia State
Georgia Southern
South Alabama

West
New Mexico State
Texas State
Louisiana
Louisiana-Monroe
Idaho
Arkansas State

football only: yes.
all sports: We would never accept that offer because of how pathetic that conference is in basketball. Maybe if we can we get a deal like Umass where we only have to play 4 basketball games a year.

Please, you would really turn down an easier path to the tournament? Without WKU, USA is the only real basketball school in the conference. MSU could run the conference if they wanted. The SBC got two in the tournament last year so let's not act like you'd be moving to the SWAC.

moving to the belt would do damage to our recruiting and would kill attendance. Also having the MVC tourney in our state in a 22,000 seat arena that sells out some years is a huge difference. We get 1-2 home games vs top 25 teams every year from other MVC teams, we would lose that too. basketball is biggest sport in SW Missouri and the hoops team is the only team on campus that turns a profit every year, I'd rather drop football than play hoops in the sunbelt as would most of our fans.

(12-15-2013 08:39 PM)msu_bears Wrote:  

(12-15-2013 07:06 PM)Eagleditka Wrote:  

(12-10-2013 08:07 PM)msu_bears Wrote:  

(12-10-2013 01:02 PM)panama Wrote:  MoState can play in the east just like Mizzou.

East
Missouri State
Troy
Appalachian State
Georgia State
Georgia Southern
South Alabama

West
New Mexico State
Texas State
Louisiana
Louisiana-Monroe
Idaho
Arkansas State

football only: yes.
all sports: We would never accept that offer because of how pathetic that conference is in basketball. Maybe if we can we get a deal like Umass where we only have to play 4 basketball games a year.

Please, you would really turn down an easier path to the tournament? Without WKU, USA is the only real basketball school in the conference. MSU could run the conference if they wanted. The SBC got two in the tournament last year so let's not act like you'd be moving to the SWAC.

moving to the belt would do damage to our recruiting and would kill attendance. Also having the MVC tourney in our state in a 22,000 seat arena that sells out some years is a huge difference. We get 1-2 home games vs top 25 teams every year from other MVC teams, we would lose that too. basketball is biggest sport in SW Missouri and the hoops team is the only team on campus that turns a profit every year, I'd rather drop football than play hoops in the sunbelt as would most of our fans.

(12-15-2013 07:06 PM)Eagleditka Wrote:  Please, you would really turn down an easier path to the tournament? Without WKU, USA is the only real basketball school in the conference. MSU could run the conference if they wanted. The SBC got two in the tournament last year so let's not act like you'd be moving to the SWAC.

You are making contradictory points ~ the SBC had one school that was able to make the tournament without the championship AQ, so its not so bad after all, and also, that team is leaving, so Missouri State could rule the roost. But the second point implies that the first point will be old history by the time that Missouri State got to the Sunbelt.

On current RPI, moving from the MVC to the Sunbelt is dropping Conference by around 7 places, 10th to 17th, and 6 places on Sagarin rankings, from 11 to 17th.

The MAC would be much closer to the MVC overall, but if the MAC continues with divisional scheduling, Missouri State would be in the MAC West, which is the weaker of the two divisions.

(12-15-2013 08:39 PM)msu_bears Wrote:  

(12-15-2013 07:06 PM)Eagleditka Wrote:  

(12-10-2013 08:07 PM)msu_bears Wrote:  

(12-10-2013 01:02 PM)panama Wrote:  MoState can play in the east just like Mizzou.

East
Missouri State
Troy
Appalachian State
Georgia State
Georgia Southern
South Alabama

West
New Mexico State
Texas State
Louisiana
Louisiana-Monroe
Idaho
Arkansas State

football only: yes.
all sports: We would never accept that offer because of how pathetic that conference is in basketball. Maybe if we can we get a deal like Umass where we only have to play 4 basketball games a year.

Please, you would really turn down an easier path to the tournament? Without WKU, USA is the only real basketball school in the conference. MSU could run the conference if they wanted. The SBC got two in the tournament last year so let's not act like you'd be moving to the SWAC.

moving to the belt would do damage to our recruiting and would kill attendance. Also having the MVC tourney in our state in a 22,000 seat arena that sells out some years is a huge difference. We get 1-2 home games vs top 25 teams every year from other MVC teams, we would lose that too. basketball is biggest sport in SW Missouri and the hoops team is the only team on campus that turns a profit every year, I'd rather drop football than play hoops in the sunbelt as would most of our fans.

Well you have a decision to make. Here's a news flash. The MAC doesn't want to go big. They already have 13 teams. They might take 1 team to go to 14. And if they go to 14, the team they take will not be Missouri State (it will be JMU). The AAC isn't taking you. CUSA isn't either.

And here's another news flash. You aren't going to just jump in and out of the Belt either. The only 'drivable' school in any FBS non-AQ conference to you is in the AAC (and they're not taking you anytime soon, even if you do well in FBS) and in the Sun Belt.

If you want to drop football, then that's y'all's choice (although I would seriously question why you guys would want to spend millions of bucks on your football facilities if that's the plan). If you'd like to stay in a rapidly downgrading FCS, that's also y'all's choice as well. If you want to move to FBS, you'll be moving to the Sun Belt, where you will be playing for at least 5 years.

Yes, the Belt will likely require you to move all your teams to the Belt in order to join. Your football will be playing at a much more prominent level. Your baseball will be too. Your basketball will be playing in a less prominent conference (although NMSU would be brought in for basketball if you guys joined to balance the conference - I hope), but that's the decision you guys have to make.

(12-15-2013 01:45 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  

(12-15-2013 12:34 PM)army56mike Wrote:  This really bugs me. Teams like EKU and Missouri St. just now say they want to move to FBS, and my team, Liberty, is ready now and more than prepared to move up... but there are no invites and no way for them to move forward or upward. This is inherently unfair. I know that both Mo. St. and EKU are far more likely to make it. And the NCAA is a private club and they make the rules. But I still don't have to like it. This "a conference must invite you" before you can grow up is stupid! Sorry, I just had to vent for a momment. With that out of the way, I'd love to see both Mo. St. and EKU in FBS.

It's like the P5 conference trying to shut all the other conferences out of playoffs, high profile bowls and paydays. All the teams should have the opportunity to compete on the same stage. Sorry, I was about to get back up on the soap box again.

May Mo. St., EKU and FGCU football dreams come true!

The Belt and MAC are public school conferences that don't want to be associated with the political baggage that comes along with Liberty. That's just the truth, whether it's fair or unfair.

I can absolutely respect that. I have no issue with it. Conferences determine their own standards, as do universities, as does LU. However, at least give us the opportunity to be an independent. My problem is that we aren't even afforded the opportunity to advance.

(12-16-2013 09:12 AM)army56mike Wrote:  

(12-15-2013 01:45 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  

(12-15-2013 12:34 PM)army56mike Wrote:  This really bugs me. Teams like EKU and Missouri St. just now say they want to move to FBS, and my team, Liberty, is ready now and more than prepared to move up... but there are no invites and no way for them to move forward or upward. This is inherently unfair. I know that both Mo. St. and EKU are far more likely to make it. And the NCAA is a private club and they make the rules. But I still don't have to like it. This "a conference must invite you" before you can grow up is stupid! Sorry, I just had to vent for a momment. With that out of the way, I'd love to see both Mo. St. and EKU in FBS.

It's like the P5 conference trying to shut all the other conferences out of playoffs, high profile bowls and paydays. All the teams should have the opportunity to compete on the same stage. Sorry, I was about to get back up on the soap box again.

May Mo. St., EKU and FGCU football dreams come true!

The Belt and MAC are public school conferences that don't want to be associated with the political baggage that comes along with Liberty. That's just the truth, whether it's fair or unfair.

I can absolutely respect that. I have no issue with it. Conferences determine their own standards, as do universities, as does LU. However, at least give us the opportunity to be an independent. My problem is that we aren't even afforded the opportunity to advance.

I have to agree with you here the NCAA should come up with some standard that would allow a school to upgrade as an independent. Set minimum standards that must be made before the move up like 20k plus 3 year rolling attendance and a minimum expenditure on athletics. Plus they could add an extra year to the transition period so that the school can better acclimate to FBS.