Temple Hit List:

Temple University says it is cutting seven sports programs in 2014, including baseball, women's rowing and softball, among others. Nine coaches will lose their jobs.

The university said Friday the decision to cut the sports, which also include men's indoor and outdoor track and field, men's crew and men's gymnastics, was the culmination of the school's underfunded athletic department and its large number of sports that it does field.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/col...l/3894809/


Robert Morris Cuts:

Robert Morris University is cutting seven Division I athletic programs to bolster funding for the remaining 16 sports.

Men's indoor and outdoor track, tennis and cross country and women's golf, tennis and field hockey will be phased out following the 2013-14 academic year. The move will impact 80 student-athletes.

''Today is a sad day, a very unhappy day,'' athletic director Craig Coleman said.


Read More: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2013/mo...z2mjTFV44G

I'm kinda surprised Temple kept men's soccer. Usually that gets the axe ahead of baseball.

1) Title IX has been killing men's sports since the '70's. They say the road to Hell is paved with good intentions and here's another classic Title IX example.

2) "Olympic" sports should be organized into regional "bus drive" conferences. There's no need to fly the volleyball team across country every other week except to help the airlines sell tickets.

3) Football scholarship numbers are way too high. The NFL does with a 53 man team roster but even FCS offers 63 full scholarships. These numbers still allow "big time" programs to "bank" talent on their benches and keeps scholarship costs too high for everyone across the board.

(12-07-2013 05:23 PM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  3) Football scholarship numbers are way too high. The NFL does with a 53 man team roster but even FCS offers 63 full scholarships. These numbers still allow "big time" programs to "bank" talent on their benches and keeps scholarship costs too high for everyone across the board.

The NFL also has the option of trading up until the Tuesday after the eighth week of the season, bringing in free agents, and/or bringing one of the eight players on their practice squad up when their are roster issues.

i know ive ragged on temple before......

but this is just further proof that they should not be an fbs school

(12-07-2013 06:00 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(12-07-2013 05:23 PM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  3) Football scholarship numbers are way too high. The NFL does with a 53 man team roster but even FCS offers 63 full scholarships. These numbers still allow "big time" programs to "bank" talent on their benches and keeps scholarship costs too high for everyone across the board.

The NFL also has the option of trading up until the Tuesday after the eighth week of the season, bringing in free agents, and/or bringing one of the eight players on their practice squad up when their are roster issues.

No one is saying to limit the number of players on your roster, just the number of scholarships. Schools can still offer partial scholarships as well.

Temple offered a ton of sports... after the cuts, they'll still have 18 sports... that is the Div 1 average!

Comparing to others...

In the ACC... it's one sport less than Clemson, a sport more than Georgia Tech, two more than Miami!
In the B1G... same as Purdue, one less than Northwestern and Illinois
In the B12... only Oklahoma has more sports and seven schools have less.
In the PAC... three schools have less and four have the same amount of sports as Temple.
In the SEC... two have less, three have the same, and four more schools have just one extra sport.
In the CUSA... it's more than all the schools except FAU, who has the same amount.
In the MAC... only Eastern Michigan would have more (one more).
In the MWC... everyone has less, except New Mexico who offers one extra, and Air Force offers a ton.
In the SBC... no school has more sports.

Partial scholarships are forbidden in FBS football.

Other than new facilities, what Temple needs is a more regional conference. Too bad the FBS CAA never happened:

Temple (from A-10/MAC Football)
Charlotte (from A-10/new program)
UMass (from A-10/MAC Football)
James Madison
Delaware
Towson
Georgia State
Georgia Southern (from SoCon)
Old Dominion (new program)

Throw in at least 3 of Drexel, George Mason, Hofstra, Northeastern, UNCW, VCU, and William & Mary and the CAA would have been a good fit for Temple (The A-10 probably still grabs George Mason and VCU, and then takes Northeastern to replace UMass.).

Unfortunately WAC football disintegrated too quickly - as well as a couple of years too late for some programs - to make a WAC-CAA alliance feasible. Even a Sun Belt-CAA alliance got to be unfeasible with all of the moves by C-USA.

(12-07-2013 10:29 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  Partial scholarships are forbidden in FBS football.

Other than new facilities, what Temple needs is a more regional conference. Too bad the FBS CAA never happened:

Temple (from A-10/MAC Football)
Charlotte (from A-10/new program)
UMass (from A-10/MAC Football)
James Madison
Delaware
Towson
Georgia State
Georgia Southern (from SoCon)
Old Dominion (new program)

Throw in at least 3 of Drexel, George Mason, Hofstra, Northeastern, UNCW, VCU, and William & Mary and the CAA would have been a good fit for Temple (The A-10 probably still grabs George Mason and VCU, and then takes Northeastern to replace UMass.).

Unfortunately WAC football disintegrated too quickly - as well as a couple of years too late for some programs - to make a WAC-CAA alliance feasible. Even a Sun Belt-CAA alliance got to be unfeasible with all of the moves by C-USA.

Hell no.

(12-07-2013 10:29 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  Partial scholarships are forbidden in FBS football.

Other than new facilities, what Temple needs is a more regional conference. Too bad the FBS CAA never happened:

Temple (from A-10/MAC Football)
Charlotte (from A-10/new program)
UMass (from A-10/MAC Football)
James Madison
Delaware
Towson
Georgia State
Georgia Southern (from SoCon)
Old Dominion (new program)

Throw in at least 3 of Drexel, George Mason, Hofstra, Northeastern, UNCW, VCU, and William & Mary and the CAA would have been a good fit for Temple (The A-10 probably still grabs George Mason and VCU, and then takes Northeastern to replace UMass.).

Unfortunately WAC football disintegrated too quickly - as well as a couple of years too late for some programs - to make a WAC-CAA alliance feasible. Even a Sun Belt-CAA alliance got to be unfeasible with all of the moves by C-USA.

add uconn

they seriously need to drop FBS ball as well

(12-07-2013 06:05 PM)john01992 Wrote:  i know ive ragged on temple before......

but this is just further proof that they should not be an fbs school

Rutgers cut six sports in 2006. Maryland cut seven sports in 2012. It's not uncommon for schools to cut olympic sports to invest in football.

(12-07-2013 11:05 PM)BullsFanatic Wrote:  

(12-07-2013 06:05 PM)john01992 Wrote:  i know ive ragged on temple before......

but this is just further proof that they should not be an fbs school

Rutgers cut six sports in 2006. Maryland cut seven sports in 2012. It's not uncommon for schools to cut olympic sports to invest in football.

yeah but those programs have potential

temple doesnt. they came 1 vote from dropping FB not too long ago

(12-07-2013 05:23 PM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  1) Title IX has been killing men's sports since the '70's. They say the road to Hell is paved with good intentions and here's another classic Title IX example.

2) "Olympic" sports should be organized into regional "bus drive" conferences. There's no need to fly the volleyball team across country every other week except to help the airlines sell tickets.

3) Football scholarship numbers are way too high. The NFL does with a 53 man team roster but even FCS offers 63 full scholarships. These numbers still allow "big time" programs to "bank" talent on their benches and keeps scholarship costs too high for everyone across the board.

I think this is a great point. Look at the AAC for example: we have an 18 game conference schedule for volleyball, with flights from Dallas to Storrs to Orlando. The AAC name probably isn't a great recruiting tool for volleyball, and playing in the American does nothing to help strength of schedule (the conference received no at-large bids to the 64 team NCAA tournament). There are at least two options better than the current model:

1. Reorganize into regional conferences that require less travel
2. Schedule regular season games against regional teams, then have a postseason tournament with each conference team meeting at one location

(12-07-2013 06:05 PM)john01992 Wrote:  i know ive ragged on temple before......

but this is just further proof that they should not be an fbs school

Alabama only competes in 15 sports. Should they not be an FBS school?

(12-07-2013 05:13 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  I'm kinda surprised Temple kept men's soccer. Usually that gets the axe ahead of baseball.

Easier to have the proper facilities on campus for soccer than baseball, especially if we build a football stadium on campus. Our baseball stadium is 40 minutes away, and we dont have the space on campus to build a baseball stadium without compromising football stadium land.

(12-07-2013 11:10 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(12-07-2013 11:05 PM)BullsFanatic Wrote:  

(12-07-2013 06:05 PM)john01992 Wrote:  i know ive ragged on temple before......

but this is just further proof that they should not be an fbs school

Rutgers cut six sports in 2006. Maryland cut seven sports in 2012. It's not uncommon for schools to cut olympic sports to invest in football.

yeah but those programs have potential

temple doesnt. they came 1 vote from dropping FB not too long ago

So we beat Maryland recently (more recently than our drop football vote) and we have no potential?

Penn State shouldn't have a football program after knowingly keeping a pedophile around for years. Dont crap on us and say we should drop football.

(12-07-2013 05:23 PM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  1) Title IX has been killing men's sports since the '70's. They say the road to Hell is paved with good intentions and here's another classic Title IX example.

2) "Olympic" sports should be organized into regional "bus drive" conferences. There's no need to fly the volleyball team across country every other week except to help the airlines sell tickets.

3) Football scholarship numbers are way too high. The NFL does with a 53 man team roster but even FCS offers 63 full scholarships. These numbers still allow "big time" programs to "bank" talent on their benches and keeps scholarship costs too high for everyone across the board.

Title IX hasn't helped but expenses in mens revenue sports have gone up faster and the arms race in those sports is just as much to blame. Every major sport has some form of cost containment but major college sports.

Title IX is the easy scapegoat but not the problem when you look at the explosion of revenue in D1 sports and the decline in participants.

(12-07-2013 11:51 PM)BullsFanatic Wrote:  

(12-07-2013 05:23 PM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  1) Title IX has been killing men's sports since the '70's. They say the road to Hell is paved with good intentions and here's another classic Title IX example.

2) "Olympic" sports should be organized into regional "bus drive" conferences. There's no need to fly the volleyball team across country every other week except to help the airlines sell tickets.

3) Football scholarship numbers are way too high. The NFL does with a 53 man team roster but even FCS offers 63 full scholarships. These numbers still allow "big time" programs to "bank" talent on their benches and keeps scholarship costs too high for everyone across the board.

I think this is a great point. Look at the AAC for example: we have an 18 game conference schedule for volleyball, with flights from Dallas to Storrs to Orlando. The AAC name probably isn't a great recruiting tool for volleyball, and playing in the American does nothing to help strength of schedule (the conference received no at-large bids to the 64 team NCAA tournament). There are at least two options better than the current model:

1. Reorganize into regional conferences that require less travel
2. Schedule regular season games against regional teams, then have a postseason tournament with each conference team meeting at one location

Trust me most if those teams spend a minimal amount on travel. They bus to anything under 8 hours.

(12-07-2013 10:44 PM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  

(12-07-2013 10:29 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  Partial scholarships are forbidden in FBS football.

Other than new facilities, what Temple needs is a more regional conference. Too bad the FBS CAA never happened:

Temple (from A-10/MAC Football)
Charlotte (from A-10/new program)
UMass (from A-10/MAC Football)
James Madison
Delaware
Towson
Georgia State
Georgia Southern (from SoCon)
Old Dominion (new program)

Throw in at least 3 of Drexel, George Mason, Hofstra, Northeastern, UNCW, VCU, and William & Mary and the CAA would have been a good fit for Temple (The A-10 probably still grabs George Mason and VCU, and then takes Northeastern to replace UMass.).

Unfortunately WAC football disintegrated too quickly - as well as a couple of years too late for some programs - to make a WAC-CAA alliance feasible. Even a Sun Belt-CAA alliance got to be unfeasible with all of the moves by C-USA.

Hell no.

Seconded

I'm curious how Temple was doing when they were splitting duties in the MAC and A10. They seemed to finally find some kind of rhythm there, and while I can't blame them for wanting to go to the Big East, how and when they decided to do that was a sign (to me anyway) that they completely missed the opportunity to reflect on how to operate as a department with both a FBS program and a top mid-major hoops program. The Big East's foundation was clearly crumbling, and they jumped to it blindly anyway.

Hope it was worth it for them. I hope the AD apologizes to the student athletes who's scholarships will be cut for the sake a of a football program that survives on transfers and JUCO talent. Class act right there.