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(12-05-2013 10:55 AM)Max Power Wrote:  The AAC's numbers are skewed by Louisville which is of course on its way out. 3 of the top 4 rated AAC games involved Louisville. Here are the TV ratings for their conference games, with Louisville and Rutgers games in red.

Fri 10/18 ESPN UCF/Louisville 2.2MM
Thu 10/10 ESPN Rutgers/Louisville 1.66MM

Thu 10/31 ESPN USF/Houston 1.13MM
Fri 11/8 ESPN2 Louisville/UConn 1.04MM
Thu 11/21 ESPN Rutgers/UCF 972k

Fri 10/11 ESPN Temple/Cincy 872k
Fri 10/18 ESPN Louisville/USF 605k
Wed 10/30 ESPN2 Cincy/Memphis 437k
Sat 11/9 ESPN2 Houston/UCF 431k
Sat 11/26 ESPNU Houston/Louisville 348k
Sat 11/23 ESPNEWS Cincy/Houston 283k
Sat 10/5 ESPNEWS Rutgers/SMU 241k
Sat 11/16 ESPNEWS Cincy/Rutgers 155k
Sat 10/26 ESPNEWS Houston/Rutgers 137k

Sat 10/12 ESPNEWS Memphis/Houston 79k
Sat 10/19 ESPNU UConn/Cincy 56k

Yea, I agree. These numbers, the way the are tallied in the OP mean zip.

Everyone outside the P5 (whether by conference or individual team) has their ratings skewed (the way they are compared in the OP) when they play a P5 school that traditionally draws a large tv audience. It's not the school outside the P5 drawing the viewers.

Conference games give a better handle. The SEC and Big 10 pretty much blow everyone away in football. The rest depends on how well a team is doing in a given year, the opponent, and the network that is televising.
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(12-05-2013 10:55 AM)Max Power Wrote:  The AAC's numbers are skewed by Louisville which is of course on its way out. 3 of the top 4 rated AAC games involved Louisville. Here are the TV ratings for their conference games, with Louisville and Rutgers games in red.

Fri 10/18 ESPN UCF/Louisville 2.2MM
Thu 10/10 ESPN Rutgers/Louisville 1.66MM

Thu 10/31 ESPN USF/Houston 1.13MM
Fri 11/8 ESPN2 Louisville/UConn 1.04MM
Thu 11/21 ESPN Rutgers/UCF 972k

Fri 10/11 ESPN Temple/Cincy 872k
Fri 10/18 ESPN Louisville/USF 605k
Wed 10/30 ESPN2 Cincy/Memphis 437k
Sat 11/9 ESPN2 Houston/UCF 431k
Sat 11/26 ESPNU Houston/Louisville 348k
Sat 11/23 ESPNEWS Cincy/Houston 283k
Sat 10/5 ESPNEWS Rutgers/SMU 241k
Sat 11/16 ESPNEWS Cincy/Rutgers 155k
Sat 10/26 ESPNEWS Houston/Rutgers 137k

Sat 10/12 ESPNEWS Memphis/Houston 79k
Sat 10/19 ESPNU UConn/Cincy 56k

Which means that CUSA and AAC are probably very similar in tv ratings.
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(12-05-2013 12:30 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  A few surprises in the numbers:

8) Notre Dame 3,921,970
16) Northwestern 2,684,300

Northwestern is a lot bigger in Chicago than what people would think looking at their game attendance. Notre Dame I thought would be bigger than what they are with a national radio network.

20) Mississippi St. 2,555,048
23) Mississippi 2,490,917

Surprised these two are up there so high. That explains why they receive a disproportionate level of coverage on ESPN relative to program quality. Actually it may have more to do with playing in the SEC West....

34) Miami 2,107,394
40) Central Florida 1,682,933

These two are neck and neck in TV ratings? I think it says a lot about UCF being a good get for a P5 conference as some on here have speculated.

Ole Miss is very near Memphis and there are a lot of of MSU alumni from Alabama.
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Ole Miss isn't actually that bad historically either.
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(12-05-2013 11:26 AM)Tallgrass Wrote:  
(12-05-2013 10:55 AM)Max Power Wrote:  The AAC's numbers are skewed by Louisville which is of course on its way out. 3 of the top 4 rated AAC games involved Louisville. Here are the TV ratings for their conference games, with Louisville and Rutgers games in red.

Fri 10/18 ESPN UCF/Louisville 2.2MM
Thu 10/10 ESPN Rutgers/Louisville 1.66MM

Thu 10/31 ESPN USF/Houston 1.13MM
Fri 11/8 ESPN2 Louisville/UConn 1.04MM
Thu 11/21 ESPN Rutgers/UCF 972k

Fri 10/11 ESPN Temple/Cincy 872k
Fri 10/18 ESPN Louisville/USF 605k
Wed 10/30 ESPN2 Cincy/Memphis 437k
Sat 11/9 ESPN2 Houston/UCF 431k
Sat 11/26 ESPNU Houston/Louisville 348k
Sat 11/23 ESPNEWS Cincy/Houston 283k
Sat 10/5 ESPNEWS Rutgers/SMU 241k
Sat 11/16 ESPNEWS Cincy/Rutgers 155k
Sat 10/26 ESPNEWS Houston/Rutgers 137k

Sat 10/12 ESPNEWS Memphis/Houston 79k
Sat 10/19 ESPNU UConn/Cincy 56k

Which means that CUSA and AAC are probably very similar in tv ratings.

Looks like CUSA draws MAC type numbers for conference games (non P5 opponents).
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(12-05-2013 11:26 AM)Tallgrass Wrote:  
(12-05-2013 10:55 AM)Max Power Wrote:  The AAC's numbers are skewed by Louisville which is of course on its way out. 3 of the top 4 rated AAC games involved Louisville. Here are the TV ratings for their conference games, with Louisville and Rutgers games in red.

Fri 10/18 ESPN UCF/Louisville 2.2MM
Thu 10/10 ESPN Rutgers/Louisville 1.66MM

Thu 10/31 ESPN USF/Houston 1.13MM
Fri 11/8 ESPN2 Louisville/UConn 1.04MM
Thu 11/21 ESPN Rutgers/UCF 972k

Fri 10/11 ESPN Temple/Cincy 872k
Fri 10/18 ESPN Louisville/USF 605k
Wed 10/30 ESPN2 Cincy/Memphis 437k
Sat 11/9 ESPN2 Houston/UCF 431k
Sat 11/26 ESPNU Houston/Louisville 348k
Sat 11/23 ESPNEWS Cincy/Houston 283k
Sat 10/5 ESPNEWS Rutgers/SMU 241k
Sat 11/16 ESPNEWS Cincy/Rutgers 155k
Sat 10/26 ESPNEWS Houston/Rutgers 137k

Sat 10/12 ESPNEWS Memphis/Houston 79k
Sat 10/19 ESPNU UConn/Cincy 56k

Which means that CUSA and AAC are probably very similar in tv ratings.

If you are going to do that, you need to remove ECU, Tulane, and Tulsa ratings from the CUSA numbers. Additionally, you need to adjust for the fact that the very best time slots and network slots for the AAC would have been used on the remaining games (ie-some AAC teams that received crappy at 11AM on ESPN-News treatment would be on better platforms like ESPN or ESPN2). Once those adjustments are completed---I doubt CUSA and the AAC are any closer than the chart currently shows.
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(12-05-2013 10:55 AM)Max Power Wrote:  The AAC's numbers are skewed by Louisville which is of course on its way out. 3 of the top 4 rated AAC games involved Louisville. Here are the TV ratings for their conference games, with Louisville and Rutgers games in red.

Fri 10/18 ESPN UCF/Louisville 2.2MM
Thu 10/10 ESPN Rutgers/Louisville 1.66MM

Thu 10/31 ESPN USF/Houston 1.13MM
Fri 11/8 ESPN2 Louisville/UConn 1.04MM
Thu 11/21 ESPN Rutgers/UCF 972k

Fri 10/11 ESPN Temple/Cincy 872k
Fri 10/18 ESPN Louisville/USF 605k
Wed 10/30 ESPN2 Cincy/Memphis 437k
Sat 11/9 ESPN2 Houston/UCF 431k
Sat 11/26 ESPNU Houston/Louisville 348k
Sat 11/23 ESPNEWS Cincy/Houston 283k
Sat 10/5 ESPNEWS Rutgers/SMU 241k
Sat 11/16 ESPNEWS Cincy/Rutgers 155k
Sat 10/26 ESPNEWS Houston/Rutgers 137k

Sat 10/12 ESPNEWS Memphis/Houston 79k
Sat 10/19 ESPNU UConn/Cincy 56k

Not really. Those games are in prime slots on ESPN or ESPN-2. Once Lousiville leaves, these slots will be replaced with other AAC teams which will see a significant bump. The real skewing of the numbers is the undefeated NIU games on Tuesday night where there is no competition from other games. Put those games on a Saturday at 11:AM central on ESPN-News and you wouldn't see a rating anywhere close to the ratings on Tuesday night. The MAC has a nice niche on Tuesdays, but I don't think anyone really expects those games would get the same ratings on a crowded Saturday landscape.
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(12-05-2013 09:09 AM)nzmorange Wrote:  
(12-05-2013 08:13 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  
(12-04-2013 11:50 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  
(12-04-2013 11:17 PM)Hoosier Hysteria Wrote:  
(12-04-2013 10:52 PM)Maize Wrote:  From the article:

Top 50 College Football Teams: TV Ratings

There are 12 SEC teams in the Top 25, including 7 teams in the Top 10. Unsurprisingly, Alabama is king of the mountain. SEC newbies Texas A&M and Missouri are ranked 3rd and 21st respectively. Their rival Big 12 schools Texas (29) and Kansas (74) did not crack the Top 25. Big 12 replacements TCU and West Virginia ranked 49th and 51st.

Note that ratings from certain networks are unavailable (e.g., Big Ten Network, Pac-12 Network, ESPNEWS, Longhorn Network), and this boosts averages for teams playing on those networks since ratings are generally low (see Longhorn Network). Teams like Northwestern benefit from having a low number of rated games since only their most attractive matchups with opponents like Ohio State are picked up by top TV stations.


Also from the article:

Conference TV Ratings

The SEC has the strongest TV viewership in college football. The distance between the SEC and runner-up Big 10 is substantial, and another wide gap exists between the Big 10 and other major conferences. Remember that each conference game counts twice so "a rising tide lifts all boats," especially a Crimson one.


Rank Conference Avg Viewersa Avg Ratingb # of Rated Gms
1 SEC 3,596,643 2.2 114
2 Big 10 2,643,794 1.7 80
3 ACC 1,918,042 1.2 84
4 Pac-12 1,799,596 1.1 74
5 Big 12 1,571,833 1.0 90
6 AAC 1,040,547 0.7 50
7 MWC 1,017,701 0.7 45
8 C-USA 825,796 0.5 40
9 MAC 765,792 0.5 32
10 Sun Belt 603,694 0.4 18

Here is the link:

http://www.goodbullhunting.com/2013/12/4...m-missouri

I know the BTN shows 3 games each Saturday. It seems like every BIG fan has the BTN or they would miss a lot of games. So BIG #'s probably much higher but doubt it's as high as SEC.

So you think that a game on the BTN is going to attract more viewers than the alternative (ESPN/FOX/ABC/NBC)? Keep in mind that every serious collegiate sports fan has access to ESPN, regardless of which conference they like the most. My money is that the B1G's overall ratings are noticeably weaker than what's reported here, but still ahead of the ACC.

What he is saying is that the BTN numbers would be added to the number listed for the Big Ten so that the Big Ten numbers for viewership are actually higher than the number listed rather than lower as you wish to say they would be due to your bias.

I am sorry but it is widely accepted that the Big Ten actually draws numbers like that. That is probably the reason why ESPN is pushing their people so hard to denigrate the Big Ten in order to show the Big Ten negotiators what would happen if they turn away from ESPN.

Sorry, despite the ACC's large footprint population, much of it does not care about ACC football. For whatever reason, that is the case. Personally I think it is because much of the ACC's population is actually in the North. That is why ACC basketball is the biggest deal in college basketball.

Yes. I am biased for not thinking that counting NW v. Ill shown on the BTN will raise the BTN's average viewership, as opposed to cherry picking NW v. OSU, NW v. Michigan, NW v. PSU, and so on which are shown on major national networks. Yes, I am the biased one grasping at straws. Only an ACC homer could possibly think that more people would watch an Ohio State game than an Illinois game.

What are you talking about? Are you still following the conversation or are you just frothing at the mouth at this point?
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(12-05-2013 11:52 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(12-05-2013 11:26 AM)Tallgrass Wrote:  
(12-05-2013 10:55 AM)Max Power Wrote:  The AAC's numbers are skewed by Louisville which is of course on its way out. 3 of the top 4 rated AAC games involved Louisville. Here are the TV ratings for their conference games, with Louisville and Rutgers games in red.

Fri 10/18 ESPN UCF/Louisville 2.2MM
Thu 10/10 ESPN Rutgers/Louisville 1.66MM

Thu 10/31 ESPN USF/Houston 1.13MM
Fri 11/8 ESPN2 Louisville/UConn 1.04MM
Thu 11/21 ESPN Rutgers/UCF 972k

Fri 10/11 ESPN Temple/Cincy 872k
Fri 10/18 ESPN Louisville/USF 605k
Wed 10/30 ESPN2 Cincy/Memphis 437k
Sat 11/9 ESPN2 Houston/UCF 431k
Sat 11/26 ESPNU Houston/Louisville 348k
Sat 11/23 ESPNEWS Cincy/Houston 283k
Sat 10/5 ESPNEWS Rutgers/SMU 241k
Sat 11/16 ESPNEWS Cincy/Rutgers 155k
Sat 10/26 ESPNEWS Houston/Rutgers 137k

Sat 10/12 ESPNEWS Memphis/Houston 79k
Sat 10/19 ESPNU UConn/Cincy 56k

Which means that CUSA and AAC are probably very similar in tv ratings.

If you are going to do that, you need to remove ECU, Tulane, and Tulsa ratings from the CUSA numbers. Additionally, you need to adjust for the fact that the very best time slots and network slots for the AAC would have been used on the remaining games (ie-some AAC teams that received crappy at 11AM on ESPN-News treatment would be on better platforms like ESPN or ESPN2). Once those adjustments are completed---I doubt CUSA and the AAC are any closer than the chart currently shows.

Like the Times Square Banners episode, this is a statement based on assumption and hopes. Tulane and Tulsa or any other AAC team are probably not going to duplicate Louisville and Rutgers tv numbers. Five of the top 7 AAC tv games are either Louisville and Rutgers. I don't have a clue regarding ECU. Your buddy, Steve, is a little slow on the switch here.
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(12-05-2013 12:14 PM)Tallgrass Wrote:  
(12-05-2013 11:52 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(12-05-2013 11:26 AM)Tallgrass Wrote:  
(12-05-2013 10:55 AM)Max Power Wrote:  The AAC's numbers are skewed by Louisville which is of course on its way out. 3 of the top 4 rated AAC games involved Louisville. Here are the TV ratings for their conference games, with Louisville and Rutgers games in red.

Fri 10/18 ESPN UCF/Louisville 2.2MM
Thu 10/10 ESPN Rutgers/Louisville 1.66MM

Thu 10/31 ESPN USF/Houston 1.13MM
Fri 11/8 ESPN2 Louisville/UConn 1.04MM
Thu 11/21 ESPN Rutgers/UCF 972k

Fri 10/11 ESPN Temple/Cincy 872k
Fri 10/18 ESPN Louisville/USF 605k
Wed 10/30 ESPN2 Cincy/Memphis 437k
Sat 11/9 ESPN2 Houston/UCF 431k
Sat 11/26 ESPNU Houston/Louisville 348k
Sat 11/23 ESPNEWS Cincy/Houston 283k
Sat 10/5 ESPNEWS Rutgers/SMU 241k
Sat 11/16 ESPNEWS Cincy/Rutgers 155k
Sat 10/26 ESPNEWS Houston/Rutgers 137k

Sat 10/12 ESPNEWS Memphis/Houston 79k
Sat 10/19 ESPNU UConn/Cincy 56k

Which means that CUSA and AAC are probably very similar in tv ratings.

If you are going to do that, you need to remove ECU, Tulane, and Tulsa ratings from the CUSA numbers. Additionally, you need to adjust for the fact that the very best time slots and network slots for the AAC would have been used on the remaining games (ie-some AAC teams that received crappy at 11AM on ESPN-News treatment would be on better platforms like ESPN or ESPN2). Once those adjustments are completed---I doubt CUSA and the AAC are any closer than the chart currently shows.

Like the Times Square Banners episode, this is a statement based on assumption and hopes. Tulane and Tulsa or any other AAC team are probably not going to duplicate Louisville and Rutgers tv numbers. Five of the top 7 AAC tv games are either Louisville and Rutgers. I don't have a clue regarding ECU. Your buddy, Steve, is a little slow on the switch here.

In previous years, I'd say the drawer was Rutgers, but this year I'd say UCF was more the drawer than the Scarlet Knights.

But then, I'm the poster with the reputation of never saying anything nice about UCF. 03-wink

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Syracuse had only 3 national games this year, and so was left off of this list. I calculate that they averaged a 2.7 rating. A single additional game with a zero rating would give them a 2.0 average. If they had 5 more games with a zero rating, they would have a 1.0 average.
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(12-05-2013 10:36 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  
(12-04-2013 11:50 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  
(12-04-2013 11:17 PM)Hoosier Hysteria Wrote:  
(12-04-2013 10:52 PM)Maize Wrote:  From the article:

Top 50 College Football Teams: TV Ratings

There are 12 SEC teams in the Top 25, including 7 teams in the Top 10. Unsurprisingly, Alabama is king of the mountain. SEC newbies Texas A&M and Missouri are ranked 3rd and 21st respectively. Their rival Big 12 schools Texas (29) and Kansas (74) did not crack the Top 25. Big 12 replacements TCU and West Virginia ranked 49th and 51st.

Note that ratings from certain networks are unavailable (e.g., Big Ten Network, Pac-12 Network, ESPNEWS, Longhorn Network), and this boosts averages for teams playing on those networks since ratings are generally low (see Longhorn Network). Teams like Northwestern benefit from having a low number of rated games since only their most attractive matchups with opponents like Ohio State are picked up by top TV stations.


Also from the article:

Conference TV Ratings

The SEC has the strongest TV viewership in college football. The distance between the SEC and runner-up Big 10 is substantial, and another wide gap exists between the Big 10 and other major conferences. Remember that each conference game counts twice so "a rising tide lifts all boats," especially a Crimson one.


Rank Conference Avg Viewersa Avg Ratingb # of Rated Gms
1 SEC 3,596,643 2.2 114
2 Big 10 2,643,794 1.7 80
3 ACC 1,918,042 1.2 84
4 Pac-12 1,799,596 1.1 74
5 Big 12 1,571,833 1.0 90
6 AAC 1,040,547 0.7 50
7 MWC 1,017,701 0.7 45
8 C-USA 825,796 0.5 40
9 MAC 765,792 0.5 32
10 Sun Belt 603,694 0.4 18

Here is the link:

http://www.goodbullhunting.com/2013/12/4...m-missouri

I know the BTN shows 3 games each Saturday. It seems like every BIG fan has the BTN or they would miss a lot of games. So BIG #'s probably much higher but doubt it's as high as SEC.

So you think that a game on the BTN is going to attract more viewers than the alternative (ESPN/FOX/ABC/NBC)? Keep in mind that every serious collegiate sports fan has access to ESPN, regardless of which conference they like the most. My money is that the B1G's overall ratings are noticeably weaker than what's reported here, but still ahead of the ACC.

Remember that the BTN games aren't comparable to the ESPN/Fox/ABC/NBC games, though. Same thing with the Pac-12 Network games. They're the equivalent of the syndicated Raycom package for the ACC or ESPN Regional's "SEC Network" games that are only shown in local Southern markets and ESPN3 online. So, it's pretty fair not to include the BTN games unless you start also including those Raycom or SEC Network games (and in that comparison, I'm fairly certain that the BTN viewership would be substantially higher than both of those packages if only because of the better access to those games). This analysis is looking at equivalent platforms for tier 1 games, so it looks pretty consistent with the ratings data that has been in place for years. Just look at the TV schedules every week: the Big Ten still has the most games on ABC and the ESPN networks PLUS the BTN. That means that the BTN isn't REPLACING ABC/ESPN games at all - they're nationalizing lower 2nd tier/3rd tier games where other conferences have only able to sell them as local games. The SEC Network (the actual new cable network as opposed to the current syndicated package) will end up doing to the same when it gets up and running.

It has been very consistent for the past decade that the national ratings pecking order has been (1) SEC, (2) Big Ten and (3) everyone else depending upon the season.

I don't have a problem with the general order, but its definitely not the same basis. It is apparently including the FoxSports1 games for the Pac 12 and Big 12 but not BTN or syndicated Raycom games.

There's a pecking order in broadcasting.
1st tier-ABC and CBS games
2nd tier-Fox and ESPN. Fox has a little more coverage, but doesn't seem to have the viewing tradition. Not sure how long, if ever, it takes to change that.
3rd tier-ESPN2
4th tier-ESPNU, ESPNNews, FS1, FS2, syndication, conference networks, RSNs. Very few viewers on these.
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(12-05-2013 10:55 AM)Max Power Wrote:  The AAC's numbers are skewed by Louisville which is of course on its way out. 3 of the top 4 rated AAC games involved Louisville. Here are the TV ratings for their conference games, with Louisville and Rutgers games in red.

Fri 10/18 ESPN UCF/Louisville 2.2MM
Thu 10/10 ESPN Rutgers/Louisville 1.66MM

Thu 10/31 ESPN USF/Houston 1.13MM
Fri 11/8 ESPN2 Louisville/UConn 1.04MM
Thu 11/21 ESPN Rutgers/UCF 972k

Fri 10/11 ESPN Temple/Cincy 872k
Fri 10/18 ESPN Louisville/USF 605k
Wed 10/30 ESPN2 Cincy/Memphis 437k
Sat 11/9 ESPN2 Houston/UCF 431k
Sat 11/26 ESPNU Houston/Louisville 348k
Sat 11/23 ESPNEWS Cincy/Houston 283k
Sat 10/5 ESPNEWS Rutgers/SMU 241k
Sat 11/16 ESPNEWS Cincy/Rutgers 155k
Sat 10/26 ESPNEWS Houston/Rutgers 137k

Sat 10/12 ESPNEWS Memphis/Houston 79k
Sat 10/19 ESPNU UConn/Cincy 56k

UConn, Cincinnati, Temple and Houston were the "Tier A" programs in the AACK! TV contract. They are in every one of those games not involving Louisville or Rutgers. They aren't showing SMU/USF games.
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(12-05-2013 12:33 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(12-05-2013 10:36 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  
(12-04-2013 11:50 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  
(12-04-2013 11:17 PM)Hoosier Hysteria Wrote:  
(12-04-2013 10:52 PM)Maize Wrote:  From the article:

Top 50 College Football Teams: TV Ratings

There are 12 SEC teams in the Top 25, including 7 teams in the Top 10. Unsurprisingly, Alabama is king of the mountain. SEC newbies Texas A&M and Missouri are ranked 3rd and 21st respectively. Their rival Big 12 schools Texas (29) and Kansas (74) did not crack the Top 25. Big 12 replacements TCU and West Virginia ranked 49th and 51st.

Note that ratings from certain networks are unavailable (e.g., Big Ten Network, Pac-12 Network, ESPNEWS, Longhorn Network), and this boosts averages for teams playing on those networks since ratings are generally low (see Longhorn Network). Teams like Northwestern benefit from having a low number of rated games since only their most attractive matchups with opponents like Ohio State are picked up by top TV stations.


Also from the article:

Conference TV Ratings

The SEC has the strongest TV viewership in college football. The distance between the SEC and runner-up Big 10 is substantial, and another wide gap exists between the Big 10 and other major conferences. Remember that each conference game counts twice so "a rising tide lifts all boats," especially a Crimson one.


Rank Conference Avg Viewersa Avg Ratingb # of Rated Gms
1 SEC 3,596,643 2.2 114
2 Big 10 2,643,794 1.7 80
3 ACC 1,918,042 1.2 84
4 Pac-12 1,799,596 1.1 74
5 Big 12 1,571,833 1.0 90
6 AAC 1,040,547 0.7 50
7 MWC 1,017,701 0.7 45
8 C-USA 825,796 0.5 40
9 MAC 765,792 0.5 32
10 Sun Belt 603,694 0.4 18

Here is the link:

http://www.goodbullhunting.com/2013/12/4...m-missouri

I know the BTN shows 3 games each Saturday. It seems like every BIG fan has the BTN or they would miss a lot of games. So BIG #'s probably much higher but doubt it's as high as SEC.

So you think that a game on the BTN is going to attract more viewers than the alternative (ESPN/FOX/ABC/NBC)? Keep in mind that every serious collegiate sports fan has access to ESPN, regardless of which conference they like the most. My money is that the B1G's overall ratings are noticeably weaker than what's reported here, but still ahead of the ACC.

Remember that the BTN games aren't comparable to the ESPN/Fox/ABC/NBC games, though. Same thing with the Pac-12 Network games. They're the equivalent of the syndicated Raycom package for the ACC or ESPN Regional's "SEC Network" games that are only shown in local Southern markets and ESPN3 online. So, it's pretty fair not to include the BTN games unless you start also including those Raycom or SEC Network games (and in that comparison, I'm fairly certain that the BTN viewership would be substantially higher than both of those packages if only because of the better access to those games). This analysis is looking at equivalent platforms for tier 1 games, so it looks pretty consistent with the ratings data that has been in place for years. Just look at the TV schedules every week: the Big Ten still has the most games on ABC and the ESPN networks PLUS the BTN. That means that the BTN isn't REPLACING ABC/ESPN games at all - they're nationalizing lower 2nd tier/3rd tier games where other conferences have only able to sell them as local games. The SEC Network (the actual new cable network as opposed to the current syndicated package) will end up doing to the same when it gets up and running.

It has been very consistent for the past decade that the national ratings pecking order has been (1) SEC, (2) Big Ten and (3) everyone else depending upon the season.

I don't have a problem with the general order, but its definitely not the same basis. It is apparently including the FoxSports1 games for the Pac 12 and Big 12 but not BTN or syndicated Raycom games.

There's a pecking order in broadcasting.
1st tier-ABC and CBS games
2nd tier-Fox and ESPN. Fox has a little more coverage, but doesn't seem to have the viewing tradition. Not sure how long, if ever, it takes to change that.
3rd tier-ESPN2
4th tier-ESPNU, ESPNNews, FS1, FS2, syndication, conference networks, RSNs. Very few viewers on these.

All networks are not created equal. However, FS1 is getting the same tier of games as ESpN2.
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(12-05-2013 12:33 PM)bullet Wrote:  There's a pecking order in broadcasting.
1st tier-ABC and CBS games
2nd tier-Fox and ESPN. Fox has a little more coverage, but doesn't seem to have the viewing tradition. Not sure how long, if ever, it takes to change that.
3rd tier-ESPN2
4th tier-ESPNU, ESPNNews, FS1, FS2, syndication, conference networks, RSNs. Very few viewers on these.

Fox definitely has work to do, to boost the Fox broadcast ratings for CFB and to accelerate the development of FS1, which is off to a very slow start.

CBS is up there because, unlike the other channels, they never have to show blah games. They show only the first pick of SEC games every week. Even Fox, in spite of all of their missteps, might get great ratings if they could do that.

ABC is really the best platform for CFB because their ratings are consistently good even though they show some mediocre games in addition to some of the most attractive games.
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(12-05-2013 12:33 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(12-05-2013 10:36 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  
(12-04-2013 11:50 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  
(12-04-2013 11:17 PM)Hoosier Hysteria Wrote:  
(12-04-2013 10:52 PM)Maize Wrote:  From the article:

Top 50 College Football Teams: TV Ratings

There are 12 SEC teams in the Top 25, including 7 teams in the Top 10. Unsurprisingly, Alabama is king of the mountain. SEC newbies Texas A&M and Missouri are ranked 3rd and 21st respectively. Their rival Big 12 schools Texas (29) and Kansas (74) did not crack the Top 25. Big 12 replacements TCU and West Virginia ranked 49th and 51st.

Note that ratings from certain networks are unavailable (e.g., Big Ten Network, Pac-12 Network, ESPNEWS, Longhorn Network), and this boosts averages for teams playing on those networks since ratings are generally low (see Longhorn Network). Teams like Northwestern benefit from having a low number of rated games since only their most attractive matchups with opponents like Ohio State are picked up by top TV stations.


Also from the article:

Conference TV Ratings

The SEC has the strongest TV viewership in college football. The distance between the SEC and runner-up Big 10 is substantial, and another wide gap exists between the Big 10 and other major conferences. Remember that each conference game counts twice so "a rising tide lifts all boats," especially a Crimson one.


Rank Conference Avg Viewersa Avg Ratingb # of Rated Gms
1 SEC 3,596,643 2.2 114
2 Big 10 2,643,794 1.7 80
3 ACC 1,918,042 1.2 84
4 Pac-12 1,799,596 1.1 74
5 Big 12 1,571,833 1.0 90
6 AAC 1,040,547 0.7 50
7 MWC 1,017,701 0.7 45
8 C-USA 825,796 0.5 40
9 MAC 765,792 0.5 32
10 Sun Belt 603,694 0.4 18

Here is the link:

http://www.goodbullhunting.com/2013/12/4...m-missouri

I know the BTN shows 3 games each Saturday. It seems like every BIG fan has the BTN or they would miss a lot of games. So BIG #'s probably much higher but doubt it's as high as SEC.

So you think that a game on the BTN is going to attract more viewers than the alternative (ESPN/FOX/ABC/NBC)? Keep in mind that every serious collegiate sports fan has access to ESPN, regardless of which conference they like the most. My money is that the B1G's overall ratings are noticeably weaker than what's reported here, but still ahead of the ACC.

Remember that the BTN games aren't comparable to the ESPN/Fox/ABC/NBC games, though. Same thing with the Pac-12 Network games. They're the equivalent of the syndicated Raycom package for the ACC or ESPN Regional's "SEC Network" games that are only shown in local Southern markets and ESPN3 online. So, it's pretty fair not to include the BTN games unless you start also including those Raycom or SEC Network games (and in that comparison, I'm fairly certain that the BTN viewership would be substantially higher than both of those packages if only because of the better access to those games). This analysis is looking at equivalent platforms for tier 1 games, so it looks pretty consistent with the ratings data that has been in place for years. Just look at the TV schedules every week: the Big Ten still has the most games on ABC and the ESPN networks PLUS the BTN. That means that the BTN isn't REPLACING ABC/ESPN games at all - they're nationalizing lower 2nd tier/3rd tier games where other conferences have only able to sell them as local games. The SEC Network (the actual new cable network as opposed to the current syndicated package) will end up doing to the same when it gets up and running.

It has been very consistent for the past decade that the national ratings pecking order has been (1) SEC, (2) Big Ten and (3) everyone else depending upon the season.

I don't have a problem with the general order, but its definitely not the same basis. It is apparently including the FoxSports1 games for the Pac 12 and Big 12 but not BTN or syndicated Raycom games.

There's a pecking order in broadcasting.
1st tier-ABC and CBS games
2nd tier-Fox and ESPN. Fox has a little more coverage, but doesn't seem to have the viewing tradition. Not sure how long, if ever, it takes to change that.
3rd tier-ESPN2
4th tier-ESPNU, ESPNNews, FS1, FS2, syndication, conference networks, RSNs. Very few viewers on these.

I think that's a fair comparison, although FS1 in terms of the games that they're getting is more like ESPN2 (or even ESPN in some circumstances). I'd agree that ESPNU, ESPNNews and FS2 can sandbag the national numbers if you're averaging them out.
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On another board, someone did a list of the top 25 games so far. Not one Fox game.

It was interesting who was on the list. Alabama was only on twice-the top two games (Auburn will make it the top 3). But their other SEC games didn't generate interest. The schools on more than twice:
Georgia 5 games (Clemson, LSU, South Carolina, Tennessee, Florida)
Michigan 4 games (Notre Dame, UConn, Mich St., Nebraska)
Ohio St. 3 games (NW, Wisconsin, Iowa)
Texas A&M 3 games (Alabama, Auburn, Ole Miss)

That A&M Ole Miss game is kind of an asterisk game. First 47 minutes were on ESPNNews and drew a .3. They got a 3.2 for the rest on ESPN following the Michigan-Penn St. game.
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If you just focus on the top 10, you can see how the SEC having 7 of the top 10 really pulls up the conference as a whole. Alabama, LSU, Georgia (even in an injury-plagued year), Florida (even in a down year), and Tennessee (also in a down year) have very high ratings that pull up the entire conference. aTm is energized by having Johnny Football, playing in a new conference, and playing many of those other high ratings team also pulls huge ratings. That pulls up South Carolina, Mississippi State, Missouri (also having a tremendous year to draw above-average interest), and Mississippi.

Compare that to the B1G (two top 10 teams, plus 4 in the next ten, including a Penn State team that is down on and off the field), which has fewer top echelon teams to draw up the lower half. The Big 12 fares even worse, with standard bearers OU and UT falling short of what their typical numbers probably are not being able to pull up the lower half. Of their losses, I have to think aTm's numbers used to be nowhere near this year's. Missouri was probably lower before as well. Nebraska would have helped pull up the Big 12 average, and Colorado would likely not have helped.
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these calculations don't look correct. The MAC did not have 32 televised games, according to the source link.
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(12-05-2013 02:01 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  these calculations don't look correct. The MAC did not have 32 televised games, according to the source link.

I believe these are television appearances, not games. A game between 2 MAC schools would be 2 appearances.
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