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When Discussing BCS Rankings, Fans Tend to Forget A Few Things
Lots of angst, especially among SEC fans, that the SEC could get shut out of this year's CG. Many SEC fans understandably are upset that a one-loss SEC team might very well (at least under the current BCS system for this final year) miss out on the CG in favor of unbeaten teams that might have enjoyed, in the opinion of some, easier schedules.
However, people tend to forget that those very same "stronger" SOS/Conferences give these teams a tremendous advantage - specifically, starting the season or BCS rankings as the highest ranked team(s). Sure, these teams can have a tougher schedule (which I think some fans tend to exaggerate here a bit), but all they have to do is win and they are in the CG. A team like FSU, or OSU, could also win out and be shut out of the CG. Unlike a true playoff system, these latter teams have to hope the teams at the top of the BCS food chain lose. IMO, this balances the "inequities" so there is at least some form of "rough justice."
IMO, the system will only get better next year when 4 teams, rather than 2, will play for the CG.
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RE: When Discussing BCS Rankings, Fans Tend to Forget A Few Things
I couldn't care less if an SEC team didn't go. They could still continue their streak next year, if that was my issue. Nobody, besides their own conference, will be able to kill said streak, so it doesn't really matter until a team from another conference beats them and either knocks them out of contention, or beats them in the NC itself.
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RE: When Discussing BCS Rankings, Fans Tend to Forget A Few Things
I guess we'll just have to be happy with a Seminole beatdown of the Buckeyes. When FSU wins in another blowout, people will be complaining that the SEC champion would have given them a better game. In reality, no one knows. Auburn or Missouri could have been blown out by Ohio State for all we know. I personally don't have a problem with FSU and Ohio State meeting for the title. If the SEC schools had taken care of their business, it wouldn't be an issue. The one I feel most sorry for is Missouri. They lost one game in double overtime when there starting quarterback was out with an injury. He plays that game and we would possibly be looking at a Missouri/FSU championship game. I just wish Michigan had called a better play on their 2-point conversion. Ohio State would be out of the picture and no one would have any complaints about who is in the title game.
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RE: When Discussing BCS Rankings, Fans Tend to Forget A Few Things
On the other side of this, I wonder if Urban Meyer still thinks the bcs is flawed.
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RE: When Discussing BCS Rankings, Fans Tend to Forget A Few Things
(12-02-2013 03:51 PM)Zombiewoof Wrote: I guess we'll just have to be happy with a Seminole beatdown of the Buckeyes. When FSU wins in another blowout, people will be complaining that the SEC champion would have given them a better game. In reality, no one knows. Auburn or Missouri could have been blown out by Ohio State for all we know. I personally don't have a problem with FSU and Ohio State meeting for the title. If the SEC schools had taken care of their business, it wouldn't be an issue. The one I feel most sorry for is Missouri. They lost one game in double overtime when there starting quarterback was out with an injury. He plays that game and we would possibly be looking at a Missouri/FSU championship game. I just wish Michigan had called a better play on their 2-point conversion. Ohio State would be out of the picture and no one would have any complaints about who is in the title game.
totally agree. Thought it was a great idea to go for 2, but just a terrible play call.
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RE: When Discussing BCS Rankings, Fans Tend to Forget A Few Things
(12-02-2013 03:51 PM)Zombiewoof Wrote: I guess we'll just have to be happy with a Seminole beatdown of the Buckeyes. When FSU wins in another blowout, people will be complaining that the SEC champion would have given them a better game. In reality, no one knows. Auburn or Missouri could have been blown out by Ohio State for all we know. I personally don't have a problem with FSU and Ohio State meeting for the title. If the SEC schools had taken care of their business, it wouldn't be an issue. The one I feel most sorry for is Missouri. They lost one game in double overtime when there starting quarterback was out with an injury. He plays that game and we would possibly be looking at a Missouri/FSU championship game. I just wish Michigan had called a better play on their 2-point conversion. Ohio State would be out of the picture and no one would have any complaints about who is in the title game.
I still think Auburn would be a better contender, but FSU will roll Ohio State so that'll be what, four title games, and only one win...?
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RE: When Discussing BCS Rankings, Fans Tend to Forget A Few Things
(12-02-2013 03:13 PM)Eagle78 Wrote: Lots of angst, especially among SEC fans, that the SEC could get shut out of this year's CG. Many SEC fans understandably are upset that a one-loss SEC team might very well (at least under the current BCS system for this final year) miss out on the CG in favor of unbeaten teams that might have enjoyed, in the opinion of some, easier schedules.
In the opinion of some? Surely you must mean the opinion of all. There is no doubt whatsoever that Auburn has played a FAR tougher schedule than FSU or OSU.
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RE: When Discussing BCS Rankings, Fans Tend to Forget A Few Things
(12-02-2013 03:53 PM)jaredf29 Wrote: On the other side of this, I wonder if Urban Meyer still thinks the bcs is flawed.
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RE: When Discussing BCS Rankings, Fans Tend to Forget A Few Things
(12-02-2013 03:13 PM)Eagle78 Wrote: Lots of angst, especially among SEC fans, that the SEC could get shut out of this year's CG. Many SEC fans understandably are upset that a one-loss SEC team might very well (at least under the current BCS system for this final year) miss out on the CG in favor of unbeaten teams that might have enjoyed, in the opinion of some, easier schedules.
However, people tend to forget that those very same "stronger" SOS/Conferences give these teams a tremendous advantage - specifically, starting the season or BCS rankings as the highest ranked team(s). Sure, these teams can have a tougher schedule (which I think some fans tend to exaggerate here a bit), but all they have to do is win and they are in the CG. A team like FSU, or OSU, could also win out and be shut out of the CG. Unlike a true playoff system, these latter teams have to hope the teams at the top of the BCS food chain lose. IMO, this balances the "inequities" so there is at least some form of "rough justice."
IMO, the system will only get better next year when 4 teams, rather than 2, will play for the CG.
Take last years Outback bowl decided in the last two minutes .
The losing team Michigan out gained and out first downed USC .
The Gamecocks won because of big plays especially a punt return.
So at the least a close match up of fairly even teams .
South Carolina starts ranked tenth and Michigan 18th .
Michigan had a bad year so maybe it a poor example but they were 6 and o and far behind the Gamecocks . No one plays anybody out of conference so how do you make up ground. MSU lost to Notre Dame but poor officiating didn't help . Auburn wins two games on miracle finishes and loses to a decent LSU team yet they are great .
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RE: When Discussing BCS Rankings, Fans Tend to Forget A Few Things
The same people who predicted Alabama crushing Auburn last
weekend are remarkably comfortable in not only placing the Buckeyes
into the Championship game, but forecasting Ohio States demise.
Anyone that has paid attention to college football over the last
dozen seasons should know by now anything can happen.
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RE: When Discussing BCS Rankings, Fans Tend to Forget A Few Things
(12-02-2013 08:06 PM)AngryAphid Wrote: The same people who predicted Alabama crushing Auburn last
weekend are remarkably comfortable in not only placing the Buckeyes
into the Championship game, but forecasting Ohio States demise.
Anyone that has paid attention to college football over the last
dozen seasons should know by now anything can happen.
Yeah and those same "experts" also predicted that Boise State and TCU would be crushed in their BCS bowls.
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RE: When Discussing BCS Rankings, Fans Tend to Forget A Few Things
So when O$U gets pummelled by FSU will E$PN pundits say that an undefeated Big 10 champion forevermore doesn't belong in a playoff because they play in the Big 10 and the schedule is too weak?
(This post was last modified: 12-02-2013 10:14 PM by NIU007.)
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RE: When Discussing BCS Rankings, Fans Tend to Forget A Few Things
(12-02-2013 10:14 PM)NIU007 Wrote: So when O$U gets pummelled by FSU will E$PN pundits say that an undefeated Big 10 champion forevermore doesn't belong in a playoff because they play in the Big 10 and the schedule is too weak?
Neat, one of the millions of people that knew exactly how this season would play out.
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RE: When Discussing BCS Rankings, Fans Tend to Forget A Few Things
The ironic part is Ohio State will most likely be the strongest offense and defense FSU has played all year.
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RE: When Discussing BCS Rankings, Fans Tend to Forget A Few Things
(12-03-2013 08:38 AM)AngryAphid Wrote: (12-02-2013 10:14 PM)NIU007 Wrote: So when O$U gets pummelled by FSU will E$PN pundits say that an undefeated Big 10 champion forevermore doesn't belong in a playoff because they play in the Big 10 and the schedule is too weak?
Neat, one of the millions of people that knew exactly how this season would play out.
A lot of people on here thought Oregon/Alabama/Baylor/Ohio St./Florida St. would all go unbeaten and we would at least have 4 and maybe 5 major unbeatens. Those debates were interesting, but I couched them with that history showed we would have 0 to 2 major unbeatens. Only in 2004 in the BCS era did the P5 have 3 unbeatens. One of the great things about college football is the unpredictability.
We may still have a BCS mess. But it will be because we don't have any major unbeatens. On the other hand, I've been saying all season the SEC was long overdue for a bad break on the BCS (which would mean Ohio ST. and FSU both win). The SEC had a lot of luck to even get in the game sometimes. If they used 2011 logic, Florida would have been bumped for Michigan in 2006. LSU got in with 2 losses in 2007 with a rash of last weekend upsets. Similarly in 2008 they could have used 2011 logic and had Texas trying to beat OU a 2nd time instead of Florida. Texas was #2 behind OU in the computers. In 2009 Alabama was unbeaten, but had a good break to have the Texas QB knocked out of the game in the opening minutes. In 2010 had the Alabama defender been more careful protecting the ball after a turnover (instead of getting stripped a few yards from a TD), Alabama would have had an insurmountable lead and Auburn wouldn't have gotten into the ccg vs. Oregon-it would have been TCU. Obviously Alabama could have been out in 2011, although LSU would have still been in the game. 2012 took a rash of late upsets to get Alabama in the game.
Certainly supports having more than 2 teams in the "playoffs."
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