The only good reason to root for more than one school is when you have solid connection. I understand XU (Miami, Ohio State, NKU, or whatever) undergrads that attend UC for law, med, or grad school rooting for their undergraduate alma mater but also cheering for UC. Having a sibling, parent, or child attend a school is usually a strong enough connection too. Working for a school is also solid reason to for root for them.

(12-03-2013 10:35 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  Before the state legislature forced uk and louisville to play every year were louisville fans rooting for uk in their spare time. to me your argument makes me root for osu that much less. the game should be played, if not every than regulalry as home and homes.

Could not tell you... but I surmise from your post that UL fans never rooted for UK. I'm going to go out on a limb here and suspect that there are quite a few kids at UL who root for UK when they aren't playing each other because they grew up in a different area of Kentucky and decided to go to Louisville. That doesn't mean they don't root for their alma mater or that they are traitors... it means that they still hold one of their childhood teams in high regard. If their mom or dad or brother or sister went to UK they probably don't hate the school. That is my feelings on Ohio State. You guys can ***** and moan all you want about Ohio State, but it isn't going to change a damn thing. All it does is make UC look like it has little man's syndrome... which I guess is the truth since none of you can get over your mentality.

I root for UC through and through. I want UC to win every game, I want UC to play for national championships. Ohio State has never blocked UC from doing anything besides getting into the Big 10.

You want to know why UC is not in a major conference? What is the average attendance for the past 10 years at Nippert and 5/3? Yes, WE are the problem. The moment the fan base realizes that the reason UC isn't in a Power 5 conference now is their lack of support (even with it being much better now than in the past) will be the start of finally moving forward. The fans need to take ownership of this damn program, but instead everyone complains about the stadium or arena or the schedule or Ohio State. Man up and go to the game.

I make it to more games every year from 50 miles away than 99% of the fans inside of the 275 loop. Ohio State fans come from all corners of the state every weekend to fill up Ohio Stadium, UC can't even get fans from all corners of the city to show up for a big game. Until UC fans take ownership and stop blaming everyone else for the issues that the school deals with UC will never its potential greatness.

Edit: On a side note, I'd MUCH rather watch a game in the current Nippert Stadium over any game at PBS or Ohio Stadium. Yet UC "fans" constantly say how bad Nippert is compared to those facilities. I'll never understand anyone who would rather watch a game a PBS over Nippert since it has no character. Ohio Stadium at least has tons of character, it just lacks being smack dab in the middle of campus like at UC. To me there is no better stadium or location to watch a game than right in the middle of UC's campus.

(12-03-2013 10:35 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(12-03-2013 10:30 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(12-03-2013 10:22 AM)dossbig Wrote:  Does MSU root for UM?
Does IU root for PU?
Does UL root for UK?
Does UF root for FSU?
Does GT root for UGA?
Pitt - PSU?
OK - OKS
NO! And vice versa is true.
Why the hell should we root for Cowbus U when all they wish us is ill.

Those games are all huge rivalry games... games that are generally played every year (save Pitt vs PSU since Paterno killed that series). UC vs OSU not only is not played often, it is not a rivalry. Until it is played every year or every other year and UC wins a few I refuse to acknowledge it as more than a game on the schedule.

Before the state legislature forced uk and louisville to play every year were louisville fans rooting for uk in their spare time. to me your argument makes me root for osu that much less. the game should be played, if not every than regulalry as home and homes.

Yep. Just another example of my earlier posts explaining why UC alums/students/fans should not root for Ohio State. In all honesty it has nothing to do with their fans (even though they are annoying). Ohio State University (the school/athletic department) wants UC (the school/athletic department) to fail. UC alums/students/fans being a Buckeye fan is akin to Battered Wife Syndome.

(12-03-2013 10:44 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Yep. Just another example of my earlier posts explaining why UC alums/students/fans should not root for Ohio State. In all honesty it has nothing to do with their fans (even though they are annoying). Ohio State University (the school/athletic department) wants UC (the school/athletic department) to fail. UC alums/students/fans being a Buckeye fan is akin to Battered Wife Syndome.

Outside of Ohio State keeping UC from the Big 10 (PSU blocked Pitt, btw, you don't hear their fans whining about it all the time), what has OSU done to hurt UC's chances of being in a power 5 conference? Did they go to the ACC and say don't take UC? Did they go to the Big 12 and do that? Did they go to ESPN and do that?

UC is here due to general fan apathy. That simple. There is zero reason that UC football hasn't sold out damn near every game since the beginning of the Brian Kelly era.

(12-03-2013 10:43 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(12-03-2013 10:35 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  Before the state legislature forced uk and louisville to play every year were louisville fans rooting for uk in their spare time. to me your argument makes me root for osu that much less. the game should be played, if not every than regulalry as home and homes.

Could not tell you... but I surmise from your post that UL fans never rooted for UK. I'm going to go out on a limb here and suspect that there are quite a few kids at UL who root for UK when they aren't playing each other because they grew up in a different area of Kentucky and decided to go to Louisville. That doesn't mean they don't root for their alma mater or that they are traitors... it means that they still hold one of their childhood teams in high regard. If their mom or dad or brother or sister went to UK they probably don't hate the school. That is my feelings on Ohio State. You guys can ***** and moan all you want about Ohio State, but it isn't going to change a damn thing. All it does is make UC look like it has little man's syndrome... which I guess is the truth since none of you can get over your mentality.

I root for UC through and through. I want UC to win every game, I want UC to play for national championships. Ohio State has never blocked UC from doing anything besides getting into the Big 10.

You want to know why UC is not in a major conference? What is the average attendance for the past 10 years at Nippert and 5/3? Yes, WE are the problem. The moment the fan base realizes that the reason UC isn't in a Power 5 conference now is their lack of support (even with it being much better now than in the past) will be the start of finally moving forward. The fans need to take ownership of this damn program, but instead everyone complains about the stadium or arena or the schedule or Ohio State. Man up and go to the game. I make it to more games every year from 50 miles away than 99% of the fans inside of the 275 loop. Ohio State fans come from all corners of the state every weekend to fill up Ohio Stadium, UC can't even get fans from all corners of the city to show up for a big game. Until UC fans take ownership and stop blaming everyone else for the issues that the school deals with UC will never its potential greatness.

You raise a very good point. This is a Catch 22. The reason UC cannot get more support is because the people in this town and in surrounding areas have been trained that it is an inferior product to schools like Ohio State, UK (yes UK) and the rest of their conferences. Many will still home to watch "a big time game" like Michigan State v. Penn State than come down to Nippert.

You also bring a good point about the areas outside of Cincinnati. I have brought up the point for years that UC does need to extend the olive brance out of the Tri-State. If you have ever been to an OSU game/tail gate, you will note the very large number of people at the game who come in from other corners of the state. Heck, I wouldn't be surprised if half of their stadium on any given weekend is comprised of people from Cleveland, Akron, Toledo, Marietta, Dayton and all places in between. To many of those people, going to an OSU game is akin to a Muslim traveling to Meca. Many of my neigbors, co-workers and friends in Columbus didn't go to so many games because they have done it so many times before and didn't want to deal with the crowd.

UC shouldn't have to extend an olive branch outside of the 275 loop! 35,000 seats is not hard to fill when you have 42,000 active students and over 100,000 alumni living within the loop (or just outside of it)! Ohio State doesn't advertise anywhere around the state... the fan base does it for them! If the alumni in the Cincinnati area and the active students showed up to 1 football game and 2 basketball games each then the facilities would be rocking. The students make me shake my head more than anything... when I was in school nobody would attend a football game (although I was there) yet they showed up in droves for basketball. We camped out to get tickets to Louisville and Xavier. Now the students can't hang around past halftime of the football game (but at least they show) and maybe a dozen show up for a basketball game before league season starts.

Where are the greeks? They used to show up in droves with their letters on and you'd see them on TV every week. Has the numbers in the houses dropped precipitously or are they just not supporting the basketball team? Reach out to them, get them to show up by giving them coupons for a free pretzel or pop or something. Give them a free tshirt for going to the game...

(12-03-2013 10:43 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(12-03-2013 10:35 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  Before the state legislature forced uk and louisville to play every year were louisville fans rooting for uk in their spare time. to me your argument makes me root for osu that much less. the game should be played, if not every than regulalry as home and homes.

You want to know why UC is not in a major conference? What is the average attendance for the past 10 years at Nippert and 5/3? Yes, WE are the problem. The moment the fan base realizes that the reason UC isn't in a Power 5 conference now is their lack of support (even with it being much better now than in the past) will be the start of finally moving forward. The fans need to take ownership of this damn program, but instead everyone complains about the stadium or arena or the schedule or Ohio State. Man up and go to the game.

Good point. Must be why ECU is in a major conference.

(12-03-2013 10:49 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(12-03-2013 10:44 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Yep. Just another example of my earlier posts explaining why UC alums/students/fans should not root for Ohio State. In all honesty it has nothing to do with their fans (even though they are annoying). Ohio State University (the school/athletic department) wants UC (the school/athletic department) to fail. UC alums/students/fans being a Buckeye fan is akin to Battered Wife Syndome.

Outside of Ohio State keeping UC from the Big 10 (PSU blocked Pitt, btw, you don't hear their fans whining about it all the time), what has OSU done to hurt UC's chances of being in a power 5 conference? Did they go to the ACC and say don't take UC? Did they go to the Big 12 and do that? Did they go to ESPN and do that?

UC is here due to general fan apathy. That simple. There is zero reason that UC football hasn't sold out damn near every game since the beginning of the Brian Kelly era.

I firmly believe hiring Kerry Coombs away from UC was done to hurt UC's recruiting (Coach Coombs has been recognized as a good recruiter) - Coach Coombs has already made statements about tO$U wanting to be the school for the entire state. I believe Urban could have found better candidates than KC.

I also firmly believe Urban ran the score up on UC is the Sugar Bowl... he is an enigma... supporting his alma mater in some ways, yet seeming to hate it at the same time.

Others have mentioned tO$U penchant for scheduling UC in BB when they were down... and after one dropped TD pass away from losing at PBS they quickly moved to reschedule all games at the horse shoe.

(12-03-2013 10:49 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(12-03-2013 10:44 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Yep. Just another example of my earlier posts explaining why UC alums/students/fans should not root for Ohio State. In all honesty it has nothing to do with their fans (even though they are annoying). Ohio State University (the school/athletic department) wants UC (the school/athletic department) to fail. UC alums/students/fans being a Buckeye fan is akin to Battered Wife Syndome.

Outside of Ohio State keeping UC from the Big 10 (PSU blocked Pitt, btw, you don't hear their fans whining about it all the time), what has OSU done to hurt UC's chances of being in a power 5 conference? Did they go to the ACC and say don't take UC? Did they go to the Big 12 and do that? Did they go to ESPN and do that?

UC is here due to general fan apathy. That simple. There is zero reason that UC football hasn't sold out damn near every game since the beginning of the Brian Kelly era.

I think it goes to the State Legis blocking funds to other State schools, while bending over backwards to provide anything osu requires. An example, however not related to UC, was back in the late 60's Miami was suppossed to receive funding from the State to build a stadium similar to Nippert. The State ended up pulling the funding and I believe it went to another school, up in Columbus.

mlb - I agree with you on the fan apathy. UC has achieved tremendous success, not sure why this hasn't correlated to sellouts. At some point UC fans/alums need to realize we cannot rely on anyone but ourselves.

(12-03-2013 10:49 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(12-03-2013 10:44 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Yep. Just another example of my earlier posts explaining why UC alums/students/fans should not root for Ohio State. In all honesty it has nothing to do with their fans (even though they are annoying). Ohio State University (the school/athletic department) wants UC (the school/athletic department) to fail. UC alums/students/fans being a Buckeye fan is akin to Battered Wife Syndome.

Outside of Ohio State keeping UC from the Big 10 (PSU blocked Pitt, btw, you don't hear their fans whining about it all the time), what has OSU done to hurt UC's chances of being in a power 5 conference? Did they go to the ACC and say don't take UC? Did they go to the Big 12 and do that? Did they go to ESPN and do that?

UC is here due to general fan apathy. That simple. There is zero reason that UC football hasn't sold out damn near every game since the beginning of the Brian Kelly era.

I don't disagree with your contenion that fan apathy has played a role. Some of that can be traced to earlier times--decades of neglect of athletic programs and facilities and a campus culture dominated by commuters. Reality has changed but perceptions lag. UC likely has more resident students than TCU has students. Perception has put UC at a disadvantage.

Pitt fans weren't whining because they were never left out. Their mediocre football program moved seamlessly from a BCS conference to a P5. And they have plenty of fan apathy judging from all those yellow seats that show up for their home games.

Many factors have held UC back in the past. Among those I firmly believe Ohio has chosen to be a "one horse state" in higher education with OSU getting a disproportionate share of resources (my tax dollars). UC has become a top 25 public in research funding almost in spite of this slight.

(12-03-2013 11:11 AM)Crewdogz Wrote:  I firmly believe hiring Kerry Coombs away from UC was done to hurt UC's recruiting (Coach Coombs has been recognized as a good recruiter) - Coach Coombs has already made statements about tO$U wanting to be the school for the entire state. I believe Urban could have found better candidates than KC.

I also firmly believe Urban ran the score up on UC is the Sugar Bowl... he is an enigma... supporting his alma mater in some ways, yet seeming to hate it at the same time.

Others have mentioned tO$U penchant for scheduling UC in BB when they were down... and after one dropped TD pass away from losing at PBS they quickly moved to reschedule all games at the horse shoe.

Is that why UC hired Narduzzi from Miami? Or Sid Gilman in the 50's? To try and hurt them or to try and make their own school better? Of course Meyer hired Coombs to try and recruit Cincinnati. If UC could pull off a coup like that they would do. It isn't about keeping UC out of a power conference, it is about winning. As far as scheduling goes, everyone has to look out for themselves. I've already stated that I think Ohio State is chicken in their scheduling. That doesn't mean that the university is actively trying to hurt Cincinnati outside of its own area of influence (the Big 10). The ACC, SEC, and Big 12 would laugh at Ohio State if they started trying to talk down about UC to them.

As far as UC having the score run up on them by Meyer... I have a simple answer to that. Get better. I hate this whole "big bad Ohio State was mean because they didn't schedule us and their coach ran the score up on us" crap. UC agreed to play the basketball game, they shouldn't have. Florida was the 2nd best team in the country behind Alabama that year... unfortunately UC hit a perfect storm. You don't hear me complaining about it.

As far as the ECU argument goes, ECU is in a town significantly smaller than Dayton. There are suburbs of Cincinnati almost as big as Greenville, NC. ECU gets great fan support in a terrible market. UC is the exact opposite with the same outcome... terrible fan support in a good market. If UC got the support it should then you can damn well know that UC would be in a major conference. Instead the fans and alumni of UC continue this little brother crap and whine while not supporting the school.

indycat - great point on UC's research prowess. UC has pretty much garnered their status through their own work. Whereas the State of Ohio has helped osu earn it's status.

(12-03-2013 11:11 AM)Crewdogz Wrote:  

(12-03-2013 10:49 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(12-03-2013 10:44 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Yep. Just another example of my earlier posts explaining why UC alums/students/fans should not root for Ohio State. In all honesty it has nothing to do with their fans (even though they are annoying). Ohio State University (the school/athletic department) wants UC (the school/athletic department) to fail. UC alums/students/fans being a Buckeye fan is akin to Battered Wife Syndome.

Outside of Ohio State keeping UC from the Big 10 (PSU blocked Pitt, btw, you don't hear their fans whining about it all the time), what has OSU done to hurt UC's chances of being in a power 5 conference? Did they go to the ACC and say don't take UC? Did they go to the Big 12 and do that? Did they go to ESPN and do that?

UC is here due to general fan apathy. That simple. There is zero reason that UC football hasn't sold out damn near every game since the beginning of the Brian Kelly era.

I firmly believe hiring Kerry Coombs away from UC was done to hurt UC's recruiting (Coach Coombs has been recognized as a good recruiter) - Coach Coombs has already made statements about tO$U wanting to be the school for the entire state. I believe Urban could have found better candidates than KC.

I also firmly believe Urban ran the score up on UC is the Sugar Bowl... he is an enigma... supporting his alma mater in some ways, yet seeming to hate it at the same time.

Others have mentioned tO$U penchant for scheduling UC in BB when they were down... and after one dropped TD pass away from losing at PBS they quickly moved to reschedule all games at the horse shoe.

If he hired Coombs just to hurt UC, the joke's on Meyer. I don't recall KC being a big difference maker in bringing in any local talent who otherwise would have gone to tO$U. He did do a pretty good job recruiting players in Indiana.
Of course, he's also stuck with his coaching of the secondary. Should help keep MSU in the game.

(12-03-2013 11:15 AM)indycat Wrote:  Many factors have held UC back in the past. Among those I firmly believe Ohio has chosen to be a "one horse state" in higher education with OSU getting a disproportionate share of resources (my tax dollars). UC has become a top 25 public in research funding almost in spite of this slight.

They certainly get more money... but none of that goes into the athletics department.

Oh yeah... how about tO$U scheduling that spring game down here? @sses

(12-03-2013 11:21 AM)JackieTreehorn Wrote:  

(12-03-2013 11:11 AM)Crewdogz Wrote:  

(12-03-2013 10:49 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(12-03-2013 10:44 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Yep. Just another example of my earlier posts explaining why UC alums/students/fans should not root for Ohio State. In all honesty it has nothing to do with their fans (even though they are annoying). Ohio State University (the school/athletic department) wants UC (the school/athletic department) to fail. UC alums/students/fans being a Buckeye fan is akin to Battered Wife Syndome.

Outside of Ohio State keeping UC from the Big 10 (PSU blocked Pitt, btw, you don't hear their fans whining about it all the time), what has OSU done to hurt UC's chances of being in a power 5 conference? Did they go to the ACC and say don't take UC? Did they go to the Big 12 and do that? Did they go to ESPN and do that?

UC is here due to general fan apathy. That simple. There is zero reason that UC football hasn't sold out damn near every game since the beginning of the Brian Kelly era.

I firmly believe hiring Kerry Coombs away from UC was done to hurt UC's recruiting (Coach Coombs has been recognized as a good recruiter) - Coach Coombs has already made statements about tO$U wanting to be the school for the entire state. I believe Urban could have found better candidates than KC.

I also firmly believe Urban ran the score up on UC is the Sugar Bowl... he is an enigma... supporting his alma mater in some ways, yet seeming to hate it at the same time.

Others have mentioned tO$U penchant for scheduling UC in BB when they were down... and after one dropped TD pass away from losing at PBS they quickly moved to reschedule all games at the horse shoe.

If he hired Coombs just to hurt UC, the joke's on Meyer. I don't recall KC being a big difference maker in bringing in any local talent who otherwise would have gone to tO$U. He did do a pretty good job recruiting players in Indiana.
Of course, he's also stuck with his coaching of the secondary. Should help keep MSU in the game.

Dantonios ring kissing of tO$U as heavenly light shines upon him will ensure Sparty gets a huge @ss whomping.

(12-03-2013 11:23 AM)Crewdogz Wrote:  Oh yeah... how about tO$U scheduling that spring game down here? @sses

What about it? Ohio Stadium was unavailable and they had to go somewhere. UC could go schedule their spring game in Columbus since Nippert is unavailable the next 2 years. It sucks but Ohio State is the big dog... UC just has to fight its own battles and most of all the fans and alumni need to SUPPORT the school 100%. Unfortunately UC gets support from less than 25% of its alumni, IMO.

(12-03-2013 11:20 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(12-03-2013 11:11 AM)Crewdogz Wrote:  I firmly believe hiring Kerry Coombs away from UC was done to hurt UC's recruiting (Coach Coombs has been recognized as a good recruiter) - Coach Coombs has already made statements about tO$U wanting to be the school for the entire state. I believe Urban could have found better candidates than KC.

I also firmly believe Urban ran the score up on UC is the Sugar Bowl... he is an enigma... supporting his alma mater in some ways, yet seeming to hate it at the same time.

Others have mentioned tO$U penchant for scheduling UC in BB when they were down... and after one dropped TD pass away from losing at PBS they quickly moved to reschedule all games at the horse shoe.

Is that why UC hired Narduzzi from Miami? Or Sid Gilman in the 50's? To try and hurt them or to try and make their own school better? Of course Meyer hired Coombs to try and recruit Cincinnati. If UC could pull off a coup like that they would do. It isn't about keeping UC out of a power conference, it is about winning. As far as scheduling goes, everyone has to look out for themselves. I've already stated that I think Ohio State is chicken in their scheduling. That doesn't mean that the university is actively trying to hurt Cincinnati outside of its own area of influence (the Big 10). The ACC, SEC, and Big 12 would laugh at Ohio State if they started trying to talk down about UC to them.

As far as UC having the score run up on them by Meyer... I have a simple answer to that. Get better. I hate this whole "big bad Ohio State was mean because they didn't schedule us and their coach ran the score up on us" crap. UC agreed to play the basketball game, they shouldn't have. Florida was the 2nd best team in the country behind Alabama that year... unfortunately UC hit a perfect storm. You don't hear me complaining about it.

As far as the ECU argument goes, ECU is in a town significantly smaller than Dayton. There are suburbs of Cincinnati almost as big as Greenville, NC. ECU gets great fan support in a terrible market. UC is the exact opposite with the same outcome... terrible fan support in a good market. If UC got the support it should then you can damn well know that UC would be in a major conference. Instead the fans and alumni of UC continue this little brother crap and whine while not supporting the school.

LOL take your blinders off man... UC trying to hurt Miami..?!?!? LOL!!!!!!

Miami poses no threat to UC... but UC poses a huge threat to tO$U.

(12-03-2013 11:24 AM)Crewdogz Wrote:  Dantonios ring kissing of tO$U as heavenly light shines upon him will ensure Sparty gets a huge @ss whomping.

I suspect it will be a close game. MSU has a good defense and Ohio State's defense is awful. Of course, these are the games that Dantonio will rarely ever win because his offenses are so poor.

(12-03-2013 11:27 AM)Crewdogz Wrote:  Miami poses no threat to UC... but UC poses a huge threat to tO$U.

Hmmm... at the end of 2003 when UC hired Narduzzi away from Miami what were the records at both schools? They were 13-1 the season before, just had a Heisman candidate in Ben Roethlesburger. They had just beaten UC 3 years in a row (and won again the first year under Dantonio in a blowout Wednesday night that I attended).

UC took the best coaches they could... Dantonio hired an up and coming DC that was in Oxford. UC and Miami were certainly battling for recruits at that time and Miami was certainly a threat to UC at that time.

Obviously things change in 10 years, but at that time Miami definitely had the better program and UC needed to upgrade.