While there is some confusion publicly about how bowl selections are made
in the Sun Belt, we have tried to make it clear that the contracts with
our bowl partners give them the right to take the team they want to take.
We do have a working set of guidelines that can be used as a principle for
how the Sun Belt would ask that bowl selections be made - with importance
being placed on the champion and co-champions. However the guidelines
have no bearing on the actual contractual relationships with the bowl
games.

So it's basically dog eat dog???? figures

(12-02-2013 08:37 AM)AtlantaJag Wrote:  While there is some confusion publicly about how bowl selections are made
in the Sun Belt, we have tried to make it clear that the contracts with
our bowl partners give them the right to take the team they want to take.
We do have a working set of guidelines that can be used as a principle for
how the Sun Belt would ask that bowl selections be made - with importance
being placed on the champion and co-champions. However the guidelines
have no bearing on the actual contractual relationships with the bowl
games.

I'm no legal scholar but I wondered how an SBC rule/regulation had any enforcement over a separate contract with an entity such as Bowl Organization unless that rule/regulation was in the actual contract.

(12-02-2013 08:37 AM)AtlantaJag Wrote:  While there is some confusion publicly about how bowl selections are made
in the Sun Belt, we have tried to make it clear that the contracts with
our bowl partners give them the right to take the team they want to take.
We do have a working set of guidelines that can be used as a principle for
how the Sun Belt would ask that bowl selections be made - with importance
being placed on the champion and co-champions. However the guidelines
have no bearing on the actual contractual relationships with the bowl
games.

This certainly does appear to be setting the stage for someone other than stAte to get the bowl bid. Question is, will it be a WKU, Troy, or USA?

It's going to be hard for the SBC to influence a bowl selection until we get more that 2 bowl tie-ins.

Guidelines.....bylaws.....it's all fuzzy wording....

We need a real commissioner.

Uh oh. Looks like a good ol' Memorandum of Understanding. They are getting out in front of a potential Arkansas State screwjob.

(12-02-2013 08:37 AM)AtlantaJag Wrote:  While there is some confusion publicly about how bowl selections are made
in the Sun Belt, we have tried to make it clear that the contracts with
our bowl partners give them the right to take the team they want to take.
We do have a working set of guidelines that can be used as a principle for
how the Sun Belt would ask that bowl selections be made - with importance
being placed on the champion and co-champions. However the guidelines
have no bearing on the actual contractual relationships with the bowl
games.

Linky?

(12-02-2013 09:52 AM)panama Wrote:  

(12-02-2013 08:37 AM)AtlantaJag Wrote:  While there is some confusion publicly about how bowl selections are made
in the Sun Belt, we have tried to make it clear that the contracts with
our bowl partners give them the right to take the team they want to take.
We do have a working set of guidelines that can be used as a principle for
how the Sun Belt would ask that bowl selections be made - with importance
being placed on the champion and co-champions. However the guidelines
have no bearing on the actual contractual relationships with the bowl
games.

Linky?

No linky. It's from an email.

If the school presidents care anything at all about the future of their schools and our conference, they'll vote this nutjob out or find some way to influence him to leave. Why anyone thought he could do anything positive for the conference is beyond me...

(12-02-2013 10:13 AM)AtlantaJag Wrote:  

(12-02-2013 09:52 AM)panama Wrote:  

(12-02-2013 08:37 AM)AtlantaJag Wrote:  While there is some confusion publicly about how bowl selections are made
in the Sun Belt, we have tried to make it clear that the contracts with
our bowl partners give them the right to take the team they want to take.
We do have a working set of guidelines that can be used as a principle for
how the Sun Belt would ask that bowl selections be made - with importance
being placed on the champion and co-champions. However the guidelines
have no bearing on the actual contractual relationships with the bowl
games.

Linky?

No linky. It's from an email.

From a friend of a friend's uncle?

So we have a madman in office and the presidents are powerless?

(12-02-2013 09:45 AM)MTowho Wrote:  Uh oh. Looks like a good ol' Memorandum of Understanding. They are getting out in front of a potential Arkansas State screwjob.

If these "guidelines" are not in the bowl contracts, then what were they written for?

Karl's incompetence comes up over and over.

He isn't in this to do a good job for the members, he's in it for a paycheck and a little fiefdom where he is emperor.

He was an incompetent boob when he led the WAC to it's death and hasn't learned anything other than how to lie a bit better over the years.

He is a disgrace.

(12-02-2013 10:18 AM)Senatobia Wrote:  

(12-02-2013 09:45 AM)MTowho Wrote:  Uh oh. Looks like a good ol' Memorandum of Understanding. They are getting out in front of a potential Arkansas State screwjob.

If these "guidelines" are not in the bowl contracts, then what were they written for?

Karl's incompetence comes up over and over.

He isn't in this to do a good job for the members, he's in it for a paycheck and a little fiefdom where he is emperor.

He was an incompetent boob when he led the WAC to it's death and hasn't learned anything other than how to lie a bit better over the years.

He is a disgrace.

You DO know the difference between a guideline and a bylaw right?

The SBC really needs, and deserves, more than two guaranteed bowl tie-ins. It seems that the league is not held in as high of regard as it should be. With the many talented teams in the league this year and the fact that the majority of the bowls are located in the SBC footprint, you would think that it would be a no-brainer to establish a relationship with the SBC.

Last year Kent State's last game was November 30. Arkansas State's last game was December 1..

Kent State accepted the GoDaddy invitation on December 2 and Arkansas State accepted on December 3. That is two days after the last game of the season for each team.

If we don't hear anything today or the next couple of days then could it mean they are waiting on the outcome of the USA/Louisiana Lafayette game to see if USA becomes bowl-eligible?

I think I am missing something here. Bowls are in the business of making money. Having a team with a lot of alumni and fans close by makes you more money. If the CUSA opponent is Tulane they may actually get 50k in the Superdome. So its obvious what RL Carrier's motivation is.

From Louisiana side, ask their fans if they would rather go to New Orleans or Shreveport. Another no brainer. And again, are they more likely to go to a bowl game where the opponent is a known in state school? Yes.

I am I guess failing to see how CKB could have forced Louisiana to go to Shreveport or forced the NOLA bowl to make a lower attended matchup.

(12-02-2013 10:16 AM)The Howling Wrote:  If the school presidents care anything at all about the future of their schools and our conference, they'll vote this nutjob out or find some way to influence him to leave. Why anyone thought he could do anything positive for the conference is beyond me...

So let me get this straight. You are upset with Commissioner Benson because the league had rules that we in place before he got there?

In the end, the Commish has say over the NO Bowl, GD Bowl and if the Big Ten doesn't have enough, some influence in the Little Ceasar's Bowl. After that, the Indy, Pinstripe, Beef O'Brady's or who else can take whoever they want. That would be regardless of the Commish.

Try to look at the situation from an unbiased angle. He also worked really hard to expand the bowl opportunities this offseason. We added one bowl full-time and are part of the rotation of two more. Little Rock didn't work out (or maybe hasn't yet), but from my outsiders perspective, the SBC is actively working to expand bowl opportunities.

(12-02-2013 10:28 AM)panama Wrote:  I think I am missing something here. Bowls are in the business of making money. Having a team with a lot of alumni and fans close by makes you more money. If the CUSA opponent is Tulane they may actually get 50k in the Superdome. So its obvious what RL Carrier's motivation is.

From Louisiana side, ask their fans if they would rather go to New Orleans or Shreveport. Another no brainer. And again, are they more likely to go to a bowl game where the opponent is a known in state school? Yes.

I am I guess failing to see how CKB could have forced Louisiana to go to Shreveport or forced the NOLA bowl to make a lower attended matchup.

Correct. The bowl games first priority is to lock up teams that sell tickets. After that they'll look for TV ratings and lastly how much hotel/restaurant impact it will have on the host city. Karl Benson can try and convince games and universities how to line up but he does not get to make any decisions.

With the SBC having 6(possibly 7) bowl eligible teams this year should result in future bowl alignments, very quickly. There are more bowls coming into existence and other bowls that will be redoing their contracts this off season. If Benson has any ability at all, we should have at least 4 bowl ties for next season. If we don't, fire his worthless a$$.