(12-02-2013 09:23 AM)NJ2MDTerp Wrote:  During the regular season, Nebraska 95 played 5 schools with winning records:

1. Kansas, 10-2
2. Kansas State, 10-2
3. Colorado, 10-2
4. Michigan State, 6-5-1
5. Arizona State, 6-5

Tom Osborne had great teams from 93 thru 97.

People seem to forget about 2011 LSU...

#4 Oregon, 11-2 (won 40-27)
PAC 12 champ, Rose Bowl winner

#17 West Virginia, 9-3 (won 47-21)
BE champ, Orange Bowl winner

#1 Alabama, 12-1 (won 9-6)
BSNC winner*

#5 Arkansas, 11-2 (won 41-17)
Cotton Bowl winner

#19 Georgia, 10-3 (won 42-10)
Lost Outback bowl in OT.

List doesn't include wins against Florida, MSU, and Auburn, who all won their bowl games.

(12-02-2013 09:23 AM)NJ2MDTerp Wrote:  During the regular season, Nebraska 95 played 5 schools with winning records:

1. Kansas, 10-2
2. Kansas State, 10-2
3. Colorado, 10-2
4. Michigan State, 6-5-1
5. Arizona State, 6-5

Tom Osborne had great teams from 93 thru 97.

And they destroyed them all by 3+ touchdowns and demolished an unbeaten Spurrier UF team in the title game.

They played 12 games, 1/3 against top 10 teams. Their resume is as pristine as any team in the modern era when you factor in MOV.

(12-02-2013 12:07 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(12-02-2013 11:28 AM)S11 Wrote:  

(12-02-2013 09:47 AM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(12-02-2013 09:42 AM)MagicKnightmare Wrote:  

(12-02-2013 09:35 AM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  Ultimately that's not what I'm getting at. The ACC, while not the SEC, is still not chopped liver either. Pitt beat Notre Dame. Miami beat Florida (back when Florida was still halfway decent). Clemson beat Georgia. GT should have beaten Georgia but lost in OT. Clemson went on the road to SC and lost a tough game (final score doesn't indicate how close that game really was). Wake Forest lost on a last min FG at Vandy. FSU is blowing away their competition at a 42.7 points per game clip. While not against the greatest schedule, that's still pretty ridiculous.

Turnover margin was +6 with SC not turning the ball over once. If anything, the final score doesn't indicate what a blowout that game really was. Just saying. Notre Dame is weak this year. Florida is having their worst season since 1979. GT losing in OT to a hobbled Georgia decimated by injuries is hardly a moral victory.

The ACC is not chopped liver but it is solidly behind the SEC and even PAC in terms of competition and more on par with the Big XII and B1G.

So basically you agree with me. Having FSU win by almost 43 points a game in a power conference is ridiculous.

Other points:

That SC/Clemson game was no where near a blow out. The game was tied in the 4th quarter. Clemson was driving for the tying score when Boyd fumbled. Heck I can go back to Clemson jumping offsides on a 4th and 1 which helped SC get their go ahead TD.

When Miami beat Florida they still had everyone

You say Notre Dame is weak yet they're the only team to beat Michigan State (playing in the B1G championship game). They also beat Arizona State (playing in the Pac12 championship game)

SC isn't that good this year and still beat Clemson. The SEC East isn't very strong and they managed to lose twice in it to teams that aren't that strong. They are good but not a world beater.

ND lost to OU at home and while OU is ok, it's kind of like a better USCe. Good team but not great and ND wasn't up to it.

Miami should have lost to a bad Wake team and hangs their entire rep on beating Florida who is NOT a good team this year so that win does very little for me.

Look, FSU should be commended for boatracing their schedule but other than maybe Clemson I don't see any foes that impress me. That doesn't mean FSU doesn't deserve it (tOSU's is worse) but it also doesn't mean they ran some kind of murderer's row.

So SC goes 10-2 in the SEC and BEAT Missouri but for some reason they're not that good?

I don't think you guys are getting what I'm saying. So you don't give ND any credit for beating Mich St and Ariz State. You don't give Pitt any credit for being ND. South Carolina somehow is just decent now. Even though Clemson beat Georgia and everyone else on it's schedule they're terrible too. Sheesh.

Carolina lost to two average at best teams and while they aren't bad themselves, they aren't exactly killing it. Nice win over Mizzou but one game doesn't define a team.

ND is good but Pitt is a 6-6 team so while it's a nice upset, don't go crazy on how tough you think they are.

Clemson was given a gift against NC State and other than USCe and FSU... who is a really good opponent?

I am NOT saying these teams aren't solid teams, I am just saying that they don't comprise any elite schedule. The ONLY Seminole opponent I can consider to be a legit top 15 team is Clemson.

FSU is a very good team who has trampled an average schedule. Doesn't take anything away from them being a very good team.

(12-02-2013 11:52 AM)BewareThePhog Wrote:  Duke will upset FSU. Michigan State will upset Ohio State. Auburn will beat Missouri...and we'll end up with an Auburn/Alabama rematch, just like Alabama/LSU a few years ago. And once again, after losing a close regular season game, Alabama will blow away Auburn.

This does look a bit familiar to a couple years ago, BTF.

(12-02-2013 12:48 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(12-02-2013 11:52 AM)BewareThePhog Wrote:  Duke will upset FSU. Michigan State will upset Ohio State. Auburn will beat Missouri...and we'll end up with an Auburn/Alabama rematch, just like Alabama/LSU a few years ago. And once again, after losing a close regular season game, Alabama will blow away Auburn.

This does look a bit familiar to a couple years ago, BTF.

Not quite... A couple years ago, LSU beat their conference opponent 42-10, while #3 OkSt beat #12 OU 44-10...

Unfortunately, Alabama still remained at #2 like a leach that wasn't letting go.

NCAA: Dear Alabama, if at first you don't succeed, don't worry, we'll give you another shot, no matter how bad #3 beats their opponent in their CCG.

(12-02-2013 12:45 PM)S11 Wrote:  

(12-02-2013 12:07 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(12-02-2013 11:28 AM)S11 Wrote:  

(12-02-2013 09:47 AM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(12-02-2013 09:42 AM)MagicKnightmare Wrote:  Turnover margin was +6 with SC not turning the ball over once. If anything, the final score doesn't indicate what a blowout that game really was. Just saying. Notre Dame is weak this year. Florida is having their worst season since 1979. GT losing in OT to a hobbled Georgia decimated by injuries is hardly a moral victory.

The ACC is not chopped liver but it is solidly behind the SEC and even PAC in terms of competition and more on par with the Big XII and B1G.

So basically you agree with me. Having FSU win by almost 43 points a game in a power conference is ridiculous.

Other points:

That SC/Clemson game was no where near a blow out. The game was tied in the 4th quarter. Clemson was driving for the tying score when Boyd fumbled. Heck I can go back to Clemson jumping offsides on a 4th and 1 which helped SC get their go ahead TD.

When Miami beat Florida they still had everyone

You say Notre Dame is weak yet they're the only team to beat Michigan State (playing in the B1G championship game). They also beat Arizona State (playing in the Pac12 championship game)

SC isn't that good this year and still beat Clemson. The SEC East isn't very strong and they managed to lose twice in it to teams that aren't that strong. They are good but not a world beater.

ND lost to OU at home and while OU is ok, it's kind of like a better USCe. Good team but not great and ND wasn't up to it.

Miami should have lost to a bad Wake team and hangs their entire rep on beating Florida who is NOT a good team this year so that win does very little for me.

Look, FSU should be commended for boatracing their schedule but other than maybe Clemson I don't see any foes that impress me. That doesn't mean FSU doesn't deserve it (tOSU's is worse) but it also doesn't mean they ran some kind of murderer's row.

So SC goes 10-2 in the SEC and BEAT Missouri but for some reason they're not that good?

I don't think you guys are getting what I'm saying. So you don't give ND any credit for beating Mich St and Ariz State. You don't give Pitt any credit for being ND. South Carolina somehow is just decent now. Even though Clemson beat Georgia and everyone else on it's schedule they're terrible too. Sheesh.

Carolina lost to two average at best teams and while they aren't bad themselves, they aren't exactly killing it. Nice win over Mizzou but one game doesn't define a team.

ND is good but Pitt is a 6-6 team so while it's a nice upset, don't go crazy on how tough you think they are.

Clemson was given a gift against NC State and other than USCe and FSU... who is a really good opponent?

I am NOT saying these teams aren't solid teams, I am just saying that they don't comprise any elite schedule. The ONLY Seminole opponent I can consider to be a legit top 15 team is Clemson.

FSU is a very good team who has trampled an average schedule. Doesn't take anything away from them being a very good team.

Once again...I'm not saying the schedule was elite. The schedule was average, but there are average schedules every year AND for the last 50 years. No one has averaged winning by 43 points for a full season with this level of competition.

So if you're saying all of these teams are average then who fits the very good/elite description?

(12-02-2013 12:17 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(12-02-2013 09:23 AM)NJ2MDTerp Wrote:  During the regular season, Nebraska 95 played 5 schools with winning records:

1. Kansas, 10-2
2. Kansas State, 10-2
3. Colorado, 10-2
4. Michigan State, 6-5-1
5. Arizona State, 6-5

Tom Osborne had great teams from 93 thru 97.

People seem to forget about 2011 LSU...

#4 Oregon, 11-2 (won 40-27)
PAC 12 champ, Rose Bowl winner

#17 West Virginia, 9-3 (won 47-21)
BE champ, Orange Bowl winner

#1 Alabama, 12-1 (won 9-6)
BSNC winner*

#5 Arkansas, 11-2 (won 41-17)
Cotton Bowl winner

#19 Georgia, 10-3 (won 42-10)
Lost Outback bowl in OT.

List doesn't include wins against Florida, MSU, and Auburn, who all won their bowl games.

Great schedule, but they DID lose.

(12-02-2013 01:12 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(12-02-2013 12:45 PM)S11 Wrote:  

(12-02-2013 12:07 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(12-02-2013 11:28 AM)S11 Wrote:  

(12-02-2013 09:47 AM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  So basically you agree with me. Having FSU win by almost 43 points a game in a power conference is ridiculous.

Other points:

That SC/Clemson game was no where near a blow out. The game was tied in the 4th quarter. Clemson was driving for the tying score when Boyd fumbled. Heck I can go back to Clemson jumping offsides on a 4th and 1 which helped SC get their go ahead TD.

When Miami beat Florida they still had everyone

You say Notre Dame is weak yet they're the only team to beat Michigan State (playing in the B1G championship game). They also beat Arizona State (playing in the Pac12 championship game)

SC isn't that good this year and still beat Clemson. The SEC East isn't very strong and they managed to lose twice in it to teams that aren't that strong. They are good but not a world beater.

ND lost to OU at home and while OU is ok, it's kind of like a better USCe. Good team but not great and ND wasn't up to it.

Miami should have lost to a bad Wake team and hangs their entire rep on beating Florida who is NOT a good team this year so that win does very little for me.

Look, FSU should be commended for boatracing their schedule but other than maybe Clemson I don't see any foes that impress me. That doesn't mean FSU doesn't deserve it (tOSU's is worse) but it also doesn't mean they ran some kind of murderer's row.

So SC goes 10-2 in the SEC and BEAT Missouri but for some reason they're not that good?

I don't think you guys are getting what I'm saying. So you don't give ND any credit for beating Mich St and Ariz State. You don't give Pitt any credit for being ND. South Carolina somehow is just decent now. Even though Clemson beat Georgia and everyone else on it's schedule they're terrible too. Sheesh.

Carolina lost to two average at best teams and while they aren't bad themselves, they aren't exactly killing it. Nice win over Mizzou but one game doesn't define a team.

ND is good but Pitt is a 6-6 team so while it's a nice upset, don't go crazy on how tough you think they are.

Clemson was given a gift against NC State and other than USCe and FSU... who is a really good opponent?

I am NOT saying these teams aren't solid teams, I am just saying that they don't comprise any elite schedule. The ONLY Seminole opponent I can consider to be a legit top 15 team is Clemson.

FSU is a very good team who has trampled an average schedule. Doesn't take anything away from them being a very good team.

Once again...I'm not saying the schedule was elite. The schedule was average, but there are average schedules every year AND for the last 50 years. No one has averaged winning by 43 points for a full season with this level of competition.

So if you're saying all of these teams are average then who fits the very good/elite description?

Clemson is the only one that could be top 15 caliber. I know Miami, Duke, and the rest aren't.

It will be interesting to see what happens if FSU makes it to Pasadena.

(12-02-2013 01:20 PM)S11 Wrote:  

(12-02-2013 01:12 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(12-02-2013 12:45 PM)S11 Wrote:  

(12-02-2013 12:07 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(12-02-2013 11:28 AM)S11 Wrote:  SC isn't that good this year and still beat Clemson. The SEC East isn't very strong and they managed to lose twice in it to teams that aren't that strong. They are good but not a world beater.

ND lost to OU at home and while OU is ok, it's kind of like a better USCe. Good team but not great and ND wasn't up to it.

Miami should have lost to a bad Wake team and hangs their entire rep on beating Florida who is NOT a good team this year so that win does very little for me.

Look, FSU should be commended for boatracing their schedule but other than maybe Clemson I don't see any foes that impress me. That doesn't mean FSU doesn't deserve it (tOSU's is worse) but it also doesn't mean they ran some kind of murderer's row.

So SC goes 10-2 in the SEC and BEAT Missouri but for some reason they're not that good?

I don't think you guys are getting what I'm saying. So you don't give ND any credit for beating Mich St and Ariz State. You don't give Pitt any credit for being ND. South Carolina somehow is just decent now. Even though Clemson beat Georgia and everyone else on it's schedule they're terrible too. Sheesh.

Carolina lost to two average at best teams and while they aren't bad themselves, they aren't exactly killing it. Nice win over Mizzou but one game doesn't define a team.

ND is good but Pitt is a 6-6 team so while it's a nice upset, don't go crazy on how tough you think they are.

Clemson was given a gift against NC State and other than USCe and FSU... who is a really good opponent?

I am NOT saying these teams aren't solid teams, I am just saying that they don't comprise any elite schedule. The ONLY Seminole opponent I can consider to be a legit top 15 team is Clemson.

FSU is a very good team who has trampled an average schedule. Doesn't take anything away from them being a very good team.

Once again...I'm not saying the schedule was elite. The schedule was average, but there are average schedules every year AND for the last 50 years. No one has averaged winning by 43 points for a full season with this level of competition.

So if you're saying all of these teams are average then who fits the very good/elite description?

Clemson is the only one that could be top 15 caliber. I know Miami, Duke, and the rest aren't.

It will be interesting to see what happens if FSU makes it to Pasadena.

No I mean in general. What teams are very good/elite across the board?

(12-02-2013 01:13 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(12-02-2013 12:17 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(12-02-2013 09:23 AM)NJ2MDTerp Wrote:  During the regular season, Nebraska 95 played 5 schools with winning records:

1. Kansas, 10-2
2. Kansas State, 10-2
3. Colorado, 10-2
4. Michigan State, 6-5-1
5. Arizona State, 6-5

Tom Osborne had great teams from 93 thru 97.

People seem to forget about 2011 LSU...

#4 Oregon, 11-2 (won 40-27)
PAC 12 champ, Rose Bowl winner

#17 West Virginia, 9-3 (won 47-21)
BE champ, Orange Bowl winner

#1 Alabama, 12-1 (won 9-6)
BSNC winner*

#5 Arkansas, 11-2 (won 41-17)
Cotton Bowl winner

#19 Georgia, 10-3 (won 42-10)
Lost Outback bowl in OT.

List doesn't include wins against Florida, MSU, and Auburn, who all won their bowl games.

Great schedule, but they DID lose.

Perhaps, but they dominated their regular season and CCG... They should have played OkSt anyways...

(12-02-2013 01:03 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(12-02-2013 12:48 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(12-02-2013 11:52 AM)BewareThePhog Wrote:  Duke will upset FSU. Michigan State will upset Ohio State. Auburn will beat Missouri...and we'll end up with an Auburn/Alabama rematch, just like Alabama/LSU a few years ago. And once again, after losing a close regular season game, Alabama will blow away Auburn.

This does look a bit familiar to a couple years ago, BTF.

Not quite... A couple years ago, LSU beat their conference opponent 42-10, while #3 OkSt beat #12 OU 44-10...

Unfortunately, Alabama still remained at #2 like a leach that wasn't letting go.

NCAA: Dear Alabama, if at first you don't succeed, don't worry, we'll give you another shot, no matter how bad #3 beats their opponent in their CCG.

I know that some people dismiss the potential impact that the plane crash that killed the OSU Womens' basketball team had on OSU's loss at ISU that year. Yes, it's true that the players on that team wouldn't likely have known those coaches, and certainly wouldn't likely have been close to them. Even the coaches were probably not much more than acquaintances. But at the same time, I think it likely did have an impact, because it brought back the realities of air travel, 10 years after another crash involving the OSU Men's team. When it happens elsewhere, it's a lot easier to shake off, but when it happens more than once at your place, it can make you think. The team also performed somewhat similarly to how KU's Men's basketball performed the day after one of their players' mother died - they had an adrenaline rush and took an early lead, only to fade in the 2nd half.

Since Alabama won convincingly it's hard to argue that they didn't deserve to be there, and by most peoples' "eye test" it's likely LSU would have beaten OSU - but at the same time, if there was ever a time when extenuating circumstances for a loss could be considered, I think this was one of them.

(12-02-2013 04:25 PM)BewareThePhog Wrote:  

(12-02-2013 01:03 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(12-02-2013 12:48 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(12-02-2013 11:52 AM)BewareThePhog Wrote:  Duke will upset FSU. Michigan State will upset Ohio State. Auburn will beat Missouri...and we'll end up with an Auburn/Alabama rematch, just like Alabama/LSU a few years ago. And once again, after losing a close regular season game, Alabama will blow away Auburn.

This does look a bit familiar to a couple years ago, BTF.

Not quite... A couple years ago, LSU beat their conference opponent 42-10, while #3 OkSt beat #12 OU 44-10...

Unfortunately, Alabama still remained at #2 like a leach that wasn't letting go.

NCAA: Dear Alabama, if at first you don't succeed, don't worry, we'll give you another shot, no matter how bad #3 beats their opponent in their CCG.

I know that some people dismiss the potential impact that the plane crash that killed the OSU Womens' basketball team had on OSU's loss at ISU that year. Yes, it's true that the players on that team wouldn't likely have known those coaches, and certainly wouldn't likely have been close to them. Even the coaches were probably not much more than acquaintances. But at the same time, I think it likely did have an impact, because it brought back the realities of air travel, 10 years after another crash involving the OSU Men's team. When it happens elsewhere, it's a lot easier to shake off, but when it happens more than once at your place, it can make you think. The team also performed somewhat similarly to how KU's Men's basketball performed the day after one of their players' mother died - they had an adrenaline rush and took an early lead, only to fade in the 2nd half.

Since Alabama won convincingly it's hard to argue that they didn't deserve to be there, and by most peoples' "eye test" it's likely LSU would have beaten OSU - but at the same time, if there was ever a time when extenuating circumstances for a loss could be considered, I think this was one of them.

I just can't buy it... There were a lot of things obviously tied into LSU's game play too, like the Read Opition Pass on 3rd and 10, four times in a row and running the exact same 5 plays 90% of the time... Who is stupid enough to call that over and over in the biggest game of the year?

(12-01-2013 02:46 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  I've seen a few question their schedule, but we could be witnessing the most dominant season in history.

Most of us can probably remember the 1995 Nebraska team that crushed everyone. They won by an avg. of 38.7 points a game. That was probably the last ridiculously dominating team until this year. FSU is currently winning by an avg. of 42.7 points perlled some of trhose teams. game. If that holds up, it may be the most dominant year ever.

They said last night on the ESPN that Floroda State has played the weakest schedule of any BCS champonship team. Their schedule has been horribly weak, NIU would have probably rolled some of those teams.

(12-02-2013 06:45 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  

(12-01-2013 02:46 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  I've seen a few question their schedule, but we could be witnessing the most dominant season in history.

Most of us can probably remember the 1995 Nebraska team that crushed everyone. They won by an avg. of 38.7 points a game. That was probably the last ridiculously dominating team until this year. FSU is currently winning by an avg. of 42.7 points perlled some of trhose teams. game. If that holds up, it may be the most dominant year ever.

They said last night on the ESPN that Floroda State has played the weakest schedule of any BCS champonship team. Their schedule has been horribly weak, NIU would have probably rolled some of those teams.

But that's part of the story. They aren't the only ones that have played a "weak" schedule over the past 50 years. Yet, they have been the most dominant.

(12-02-2013 08:40 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(12-02-2013 06:45 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  

(12-01-2013 02:46 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  I've seen a few question their schedule, but we could be witnessing the most dominant season in history.

Most of us can probably remember the 1995 Nebraska team that crushed everyone. They won by an avg. of 38.7 points a game. That was probably the last ridiculously dominating team until this year. FSU is currently winning by an avg. of 42.7 points perlled some of trhose teams. game. If that holds up, it may be the most dominant year ever.

They said last night on the ESPN that Floroda State has played the weakest schedule of any BCS champonship team. Their schedule has been horribly weak, NIU would have probably rolled some of those teams.

But that's part of the story. They aren't the only ones that have played a "weak" schedule over the past 50 years. Yet, they have been the most dominant.

You should know better than to attempt to argue on behalf of FSU.

Anyone who does not play in the SEC, plays a weak schedule according to SEC fans. No injury to key members of the team matter. Georgia losing key members does not matter - they sucked. Miami losing their starting tailback does not matter - they sucked because they lost to 12-0 FSU, lost at 10-2 Duke in the cold in Durham, and to 8-4 VT in the pouring rain.

When SEC teams lose to other SEC teams, that's okay. When ACC teams lose to ACC teams - they suck.

Auburn is 11-1 because of pure skill and the strength of the SEC west. Luck played no part in their win over depleted Georgia - that was not a fluke hail mary you saw, but pure SEC dominance at work. It was pure SEC dominance at work when Bama forgot that you could return a short FG kick.

Just admit it - FSU sucks. Their winning margin means nothing, because every team they played sucked. They sucked because they are ACC teams. If FSU had played Kentucky, Arkansas, Ole Miss, MSU, Vandy and some of the other SEC titans this year, then perhaps FSU would have a good team.

Give it up. FSU stinks.

(12-02-2013 08:53 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(12-02-2013 08:40 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(12-02-2013 06:45 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  

(12-01-2013 02:46 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  I've seen a few question their schedule, but we could be witnessing the most dominant season in history.

Most of us can probably remember the 1995 Nebraska team that crushed everyone. They won by an avg. of 38.7 points a game. That was probably the last ridiculously dominating team until this year. FSU is currently winning by an avg. of 42.7 points perlled some of trhose teams. game. If that holds up, it may be the most dominant year ever.

They said last night on the ESPN that Floroda State has played the weakest schedule of any BCS champonship team. Their schedule has been horribly weak, NIU would have probably rolled some of those teams.

But that's part of the story. They aren't the only ones that have played a "weak" schedule over the past 50 years. Yet, they have been the most dominant.

You should know better than to attempt to argue on behalf of FSU.

Anyone who does not play in the SEC, plays a weak schedule according to SEC fans. No injury to key members of the team matter. Georgia losing key members does not matter - they sucked. Miami losing their starting tailback does not matter - they sucked because they lost to 12-0 FSU, lost at 10-2 Duke in the cold in Durham, and to 8-4 VT in the pouring rain.

When SEC teams lose to other SEC teams, that's okay. When ACC teams lose to ACC teams - they suck.

Auburn is 11-1 because of pure skill and the strength of the SEC west. Luck played no part in their win over depleted Georgia - that was not a fluke hail mary you saw, but pure SEC dominance at work. It was pure SEC dominance at work when Bama forgot that you could return a short FG kick.

Just admit it - FSU sucks. Their winning margin means nothing, because every team they played sucked. They sucked because they are ACC teams. If FSU had played Kentucky, Arkansas, Ole Miss, MSU, Vandy and some of the other SEC titans this year, then perhaps FSU would have a good team.

Give it up. FSU stinks.

Agreed

(12-02-2013 08:53 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(12-02-2013 08:40 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(12-02-2013 06:45 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  

(12-01-2013 02:46 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  I've seen a few question their schedule, but we could be witnessing the most dominant season in history.

Most of us can probably remember the 1995 Nebraska team that crushed everyone. They won by an avg. of 38.7 points a game. That was probably the last ridiculously dominating team until this year. FSU is currently winning by an avg. of 42.7 points perlled some of trhose teams. game. If that holds up, it may be the most dominant year ever.

They said last night on the ESPN that Floroda State has played the weakest schedule of any BCS champonship team. Their schedule has been horribly weak, NIU would have probably rolled some of those teams.

But that's part of the story. They aren't the only ones that have played a "weak" schedule over the past 50 years. Yet, they have been the most dominant.

You should know better than to attempt to argue on behalf of FSU.

Anyone who does not play in the SEC, plays a weak schedule according to SEC fans. No injury to key members of the team matter. Georgia losing key members does not matter - they sucked. Miami losing their starting tailback does not matter - they sucked because they lost to 12-0 FSU, lost at 10-2 Duke in the cold in Durham, and to 8-4 VT in the pouring rain.

When SEC teams lose to other SEC teams, that's okay. When ACC teams lose to ACC teams - they suck.

Auburn is 11-1 because of pure skill and the strength of the SEC west. Luck played no part in their win over depleted Georgia - that was not a fluke hail mary you saw, but pure SEC dominance at work. It was pure SEC dominance at work when Bama forgot that you could return a short FG kick.

Just admit it - FSU sucks. Their winning margin means nothing, because every team they played sucked. They sucked because they are ACC teams. If FSU had played Kentucky, Arkansas, Ole Miss, MSU, Vandy and some of the other SEC titans this year, then perhaps FSU would have a good team.

Give it up. FSU stinks.

+1

(12-02-2013 08:40 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(12-02-2013 06:45 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  

(12-01-2013 02:46 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  I've seen a few question their schedule, but we could be witnessing the most dominant season in history.

Most of us can probably remember the 1995 Nebraska team that crushed everyone. They won by an avg. of 38.7 points a game. That was probably the last ridiculously dominating team until this year. FSU is currently winning by an avg. of 42.7 points perlled some of trhose teams. game. If that holds up, it may be the most dominant year ever.

They said last night on the ESPN that Floroda State has played the weakest schedule of any BCS champonship team. Their schedule has been horribly weak, NIU would have probably rolled some of those teams.

But that's part of the story. They aren't the only ones that have played a "weak" schedule over the past 50 years. Yet, they have been the most dominant.

Problem is, the ability to RUTS against a bad team isn't indicative of ability to beat good teams.

(12-02-2013 09:13 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-02-2013 08:40 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(12-02-2013 06:45 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  

(12-01-2013 02:46 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  I've seen a few question their schedule, but we could be witnessing the most dominant season in history.

Most of us can probably remember the 1995 Nebraska team that crushed everyone. They won by an avg. of 38.7 points a game. That was probably the last ridiculously dominating team until this year. FSU is currently winning by an avg. of 42.7 points perlled some of trhose teams. game. If that holds up, it may be the most dominant year ever.

They said last night on the ESPN that Floroda State has played the weakest schedule of any BCS champonship team. Their schedule has been horribly weak, NIU would have probably rolled some of those teams.

But that's part of the story. They aren't the only ones that have played a "weak" schedule over the past 50 years. Yet, they have been the most dominant.

Problem is, the ability to RUTS against a bad team isn't indicative of ability to beat good teams.

Wasn't the point of the thread. The point of the thread was pointing out how this level of domination is unprecedented.

(12-02-2013 04:25 PM)BewareThePhog Wrote:  

(12-02-2013 01:03 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(12-02-2013 12:48 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(12-02-2013 11:52 AM)BewareThePhog Wrote:  Duke will upset FSU. Michigan State will upset Ohio State. Auburn will beat Missouri...and we'll end up with an Auburn/Alabama rematch, just like Alabama/LSU a few years ago. And once again, after losing a close regular season game, Alabama will blow away Auburn.

This does look a bit familiar to a couple years ago, BTF.

Not quite... A couple years ago, LSU beat their conference opponent 42-10, while #3 OkSt beat #12 OU 44-10...

Unfortunately, Alabama still remained at #2 like a leach that wasn't letting go.

NCAA: Dear Alabama, if at first you don't succeed, don't worry, we'll give you another shot, no matter how bad #3 beats their opponent in their CCG.

I know that some people dismiss the potential impact that the plane crash that killed the OSU Womens' basketball team had on OSU's loss at ISU that year. Yes, it's true that the players on that team wouldn't likely have known those coaches, and certainly wouldn't likely have been close to them. Even the coaches were probably not much more than acquaintances. But at the same time, I think it likely did have an impact, because it brought back the realities of air travel, 10 years after another crash involving the OSU Men's team. When it happens elsewhere, it's a lot easier to shake off, but when it happens more than once at your place, it can make you think. The team also performed somewhat similarly to how KU's Men's basketball performed the day after one of their players' mother died - they had an adrenaline rush and took an early lead, only to fade in the 2nd half.

Since Alabama won convincingly it's hard to argue that they didn't deserve to be there, and by most peoples' "eye test" it's likely LSU would have beaten OSU - but at the same time, if there was ever a time when extenuating circumstances for a loss could be considered, I think this was one of them.

Actually there were some very close relationsips with the two Women's coaches that died in that plane crash. Some of the football players were tight with some of the women players. And the Gundy's were close to the Women's basketball coach and his wife. If you saw the awards being presented to the OSU football team after they won the Fiesta Bowl you will know what I am talking about. Gundy bringing the wife of the Womens's coach on the stage and huging here and holding her close.