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It may hinge quite frankly on how they lose to Ohio St. Right now- their strength is in the polls. If they got blown out vs Ohio St- that strength evaporates.
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(11-30-2013 08:27 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  I do believe Bama's loss is very problematic for Clemson. I don't see how the OB can pass them up.

Clemson is likely in one of the BCS games anyway, even if they lose to South Carolina.

If the title game is FSU-OSU, the selection order is Orange-Rose-Orange-Sugar-Fiesta.

Orange Bowl takes Alabama with its first pick. (The only way Bama is not in the Orange at this point, IMO, is if FSU loses to Duke or OSU loses to MSU, which would probably put Bama in the Sugar Bowl.) Rose Bowl takes MSU if they're in the top 14. Orange then takes Clemson with its second choice. Or, if MSU isn't in the top 14, the Rose likely takes either Clemson or Baylor (if they beat Texas and Ok St beats OU), and the Orange takes the other.

The only way Clemson is out is if the Orange passes on Clemson and takes Oregon or a Big 12 team with its second choice, and that is unlikely.
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RE: ramifications of today
fwiw, just saw Brad Edwards. He says that Auburn has a shot to be the #1 computer team. If the computers are Auburn, FSU, Ohio St- this could get interesting. Especially if Alabama gets wedged between Auburn and Ohio St. If Auburn is more than 2 cpu spots ahead of OSU, if Ohio St is a unanimous #2 and Auburn is a unanimous #3- it wouldn't be enough.

to me, Ohio St should be rooting for Texas A&M here big time. Oh, and Clemson.
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Clemson better be pulling for TAMU now.

If Clemson's two losses turn out to be the ACC and SEC champion that would help them despite the massive choke they laid down again with the 5-6 turnovers tonight.
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MSU won't drop that much. First of all, Clemson will drop below them. That puts them up to #10. Can you name 5 schools that will pass them if they lose to OSU? I don't see it.
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(11-30-2013 11:02 PM)TomThumb Wrote:  MSU won't drop that much. First of all, Clemson will drop below them. That puts them up to #10. Can you name 5 schools that will pass them if they lose to OSU? I don't see it.

If the scenario MSU loses to Ohio St- Clemson will pass them back.

Oregon will pass MSU with a MSU loss. If Arizona St beats Stanford, I think Stanford will remain ahead of Mich St. With the wack computers, I could see NIU get ahead of MSU. That's MSU at 14. All it would take then would be Oklahoma beating Oklahoma St.
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(11-30-2013 11:06 PM)stever20 Wrote:  If the scenario MSU loses to Ohio St- Clemson will pass them back.

Why would Clemson pass them back? Clemson already has 2 losses. They've pretty much been exposed much like Miami and VT were.

Why do you think a 2-loss Clemson is going to be in the top-14 when a 2-loss MSU isn't?

Quote:Oregon will pass MSU with a MSU loss. If Arizona St beats Stanford, I think Stanford will remain ahead of Mich St. With the wack computers, I could see NIU get ahead of MSU. That's MSU at 14. All it would take then would be Oklahoma beating Oklahoma St.

Teams don't get punished that much for losing to a highly ranked team in a CCG. Look at UCLA last year. They lost the Pac-12 CCG and dropped from #16 to #17. And that's with 4 losses!
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when you are higher up- you fall more. Given Clemson was 5 slots higher than Michigan St going into this week, MSU won't make up all 5 spots...
Clemson much higher in the computers....

It's not a guarantee at all for Michigan St. As I said earlier- the way MSU loses may decide everything. If Ohio St is out to make a statement, and makes that statement with a 4 TD win, that doesn't help MSU out at all....
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I think it would take a blowout loss to push Michigan State outside the top 14.
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(11-30-2013 11:37 PM)ohio1317 Wrote:  I think it would take a blowout loss to push Michigan State outside the top 14.

that's the thing though- Ohio St needs that blowout to shut down any talk of the SEC..
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(11-30-2013 11:41 PM)stever20 Wrote:  
(11-30-2013 11:37 PM)ohio1317 Wrote:  I think it would take a blowout loss to push Michigan State outside the top 14.

that's the thing though- Ohio St needs that blowout to shut down any talk of the SEC..

Will be nice if that happens. I think Michigan State is very good though and I'm first and foremost just hoping for a win. The difference between going to the Rose Bowl and national championship is a lot less for me than going to the Orange Bowl instead of the Rose Bowl.
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(11-30-2013 11:34 PM)stever20 Wrote:  when you are higher up- you fall more. Given Clemson was 5 slots higher than Michigan St going into this week, MSU won't make up all 5 spots...
Clemson much higher in the computers....

It's not a guarantee at all for Michigan St. As I said earlier- the way MSU loses may decide everything. If Ohio St is out to make a statement, and makes that statement with a 4 TD win, that doesn't help MSU out at all....

It's not a guarantee, but it's the most likely scenario that MSU will stay in the top 14. You're getting into lots of hypotheticals to show how MSU might miss out if a series of unexpected upsets happen.
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BCS: Florida State vs. Ohio State
Rose: Stanford vs Michigan State
Orange: Alabama vs Clemson
Sugar: Auburn vs Central Florida
Fiesta: Oklahoma State vs Northern Illinois

If Michigan State falls out of the Top 14, and Baylor beats Texas (that combination may be a big "if"), I could see the Rose Bowl taking Alabama, the Orange taking UCF, and Baylor in the Sugar Bowl.
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(11-30-2013 11:44 PM)TomThumb Wrote:  
(11-30-2013 11:34 PM)stever20 Wrote:  when you are higher up- you fall more. Given Clemson was 5 slots higher than Michigan St going into this week, MSU won't make up all 5 spots...
Clemson much higher in the computers....

It's not a guarantee at all for Michigan St. As I said earlier- the way MSU loses may decide everything. If Ohio St is out to make a statement, and makes that statement with a 4 TD win, that doesn't help MSU out at all....

It's not a guarantee, but it's the most likely scenario that MSU will stay in the top 14. You're getting into lots of hypotheticals to show how MSU might miss out if a series of unexpected upsets happen.

really not many upsets...
Arizona St beating Stanford at home- not an upset
Oklahoma beating Oklahoma St- not an upset
might be all that's needed- along with NIU beating Bowling Green.

I'd venture a guess the only one of those that Vegas would see as an upset is Oklahoma over Oklahoma St...
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(11-30-2013 11:49 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  BCS: Florida State vs. Ohio State
Rose: Stanford vs Michigan State
Orange: Alabama vs Clemson

Clemson in a BCS bowl? Seriously?

Didn't I just see them get b*tch-slapped by SC?
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(11-30-2013 11:50 PM)stever20 Wrote:  really not many upsets...
Arizona St beating Stanford at home- not an upset
Oklahoma beating Oklahoma St- not an upset
might be all that's needed- along with NIU beating Bowling Green.

I'd venture a guess the only one of those that Vegas would see as an upset is Oklahoma over Oklahoma St...

I guess we agree to disagree. I consider #12 beating #8 and #18 beating #7 upsets.
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(11-30-2013 11:50 PM)stever20 Wrote:  really not many upsets...
Arizona St beating Stanford at home- not an upset
Oklahoma beating Oklahoma St- not an upset
might be all that's needed- along with NIU beating Bowling Green.

I'd venture a guess the only one of those that Vegas would see as an upset is Oklahoma over Oklahoma St...

Michigan State would be ranked ahead of the loser of Arizona State / Stanford and Oklahoma / Oklahoma State. Moreover, I can not see Northern Illinois passing Michigan State. Northern Illinois is a good team, but not in the same league as Michigan State.

It could be academic though as it would not surprise me if Michigan State beats Ohio State. In any event, I believe Michigan State is going to the Rose Bowl win or lose next Saturday.
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(11-30-2013 11:57 PM)Madison Hawk Wrote:  
(11-30-2013 11:50 PM)stever20 Wrote:  really not many upsets...
Arizona St beating Stanford at home- not an upset
Oklahoma beating Oklahoma St- not an upset
might be all that's needed- along with NIU beating Bowling Green.

I'd venture a guess the only one of those that Vegas would see as an upset is Oklahoma over Oklahoma St...

Michigan State would be ranked ahead of the loser of Arizona State / Stanford and Oklahoma / Oklahoma State. Moreover, I can not see Northern Illinois passing Michigan State. Northern Illinois is a good team, but not in the same league as Michigan State.

It could be academic though as it would not surprise me if Michigan State beats Ohio State. In any event, I believe Michigan State is going to the Rose Bowl win or lose next Saturday.

Agreed, except that I don't think MSU will pass Ok St if both lose next Saturday.

Clemson will likely drop below MSU. I'll guess that MSU is #10 going into champ week, and with the Stanford-ASU loser picking up a 3rd loss, MSU should stay in the top 14 even if they lose to Ohio St.
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No one thought NIU was in the same league as Wisconsin- but NIU was ahead of them...

Stanford going into this is ahead of Michigan St. We'll see if that maintains tomorrow. If Stanford is ahead, and both loses- why would MSU pass Stanford?
Same goes with Oklahoma St if they lose to Oklahoma.
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My crystal ball says......

NCG FSU versus tOSU
Rose Stanford versus Bama
Orange Clemson versus Michigan State
Fiesta Ok State versus UCF
Sugar Auburn versus Arizona State

And no I didn't forget about NIU, but upset weekend here has me thinking they might lose next week.
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