(12-01-2013 03:37 PM)MiddleTennesseeStater Wrote:  

(12-01-2013 01:28 PM)dahbeed Wrote:  

(12-01-2013 10:43 AM)MiddleTennesseeStater Wrote:  If stAte gets the bid over WKU, can someone do me a solid and link to some early December threads from last season discussing MT's bowl snub? I'd love to compare the opinions/postings of the Topper faithful.

here's a solid bro-seph.

no matter who gets picked over western there is no way there will ever be the amount of candy-assed vaginal whining that emitted from mount saint murfeesboro last year. every man card in rutherford county should have been pulled with the incessant sobbing and weeping coming from the middle fanbase.

i have said all along we don't get a bid. i have friends who claim they 'hear things' but i put no stock in it.

no team will ever approach the shrill shrieking achieved by your grouplast year. never.

I guess we will wait and see, huh?

technically......you are correct. and feel free to come back and see.

but please go back to last year and watch how pitifully your fanbase reacted.

i'm not the only western fan that doesn't expect us to go anywhere. so why would i cry or weep or sob over something that i expect?

we have a few over here that will probably not like it. but your folks were relentless about it. you can ask the other longtime posters on this board.

I will be very disappointed if we don't go to Mobile for the bowl probably a lot more so if we were staying in the SBC knowing the same could happen next year also. So I get that part. My disappointment will be because not often do travel plans workout perfect and everything lines up...well almost perfect.

As I said before on Jan 2nd WKU has a basketball game in Mobile and on Jan 4th at Troy (freaking) crybaby st and add in a bowl game in Mobile on Jan 5th would be icing on the cake. The only thing better would be to switch the basketball games around.


But if Western is left out of the bowl while being disappointed it's something I think most Western fans can understand without thinking someone was out to get us. A few will think that but no where close to what the muts fans did last year....

and still cry about to this day

(12-01-2013 04:28 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  I will be very disappointed if we don't go to Mobile for the bowl probably a lot more so if we were staying in the SBC knowing the same could happen next year also. So I get that part. My disappointment will be because not often do travel plans workout perfect and everything lines up...well almost perfect.

As I said before on Jan 2nd WKU has a basketball game in Mobile and on Jan 4th at Troy (freaking) crybaby st and add in a bowl game in Mobile on Jan 5th would be icing on the cake. The only thing better would be to switch the basketball games around.


But if Western is left out of the bowl while being disappointed it's something I think most Western fans can understand without thinking someone was out to get us. A few will think that but no where close to what the muts fans did last year....

and still cry about to this day

Glad I am part of a fan base that gets pissed that their players were robbed from something they worked pretty hard for. They went from a 2 win season to an 8 win season only to get snubbed by a team they beat. I would much rather be a part of that fan base than the ones that say, "I'm cool with our players not going to a bowl because this is the expectations I have set for our program." Now I see why Taggart left the program and bashed the fans on his way out.

(12-01-2013 05:11 PM)BRBrian Wrote:  

(12-01-2013 04:28 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  I will be very disappointed if we don't go to Mobile for the bowl probably a lot more so if we were staying in the SBC knowing the same could happen next year also. So I get that part. My disappointment will be because not often do travel plans workout perfect and everything lines up...well almost perfect.

As I said before on Jan 2nd WKU has a basketball game in Mobile and on Jan 4th at Troy (freaking) crybaby st and add in a bowl game in Mobile on Jan 5th would be icing on the cake. The only thing better would be to switch the basketball games around.


But if Western is left out of the bowl while being disappointed it's something I think most Western fans can understand without thinking someone was out to get us. A few will think that but no where close to what the muts fans did last year....

and still cry about to this day

Glad I am part of a fan base that gets pissed that their players were robbed from something they worked pretty hard for. They went from a 2 win season to an 8 win season only to get snubbed by a team they beat. I would much rather be a part of that fan base than the ones that say, "I'm cool with our players not going to a bowl because this is the expectations I have set for our program." Now I see why Taggart left the program and bashed the fans on his way out.

no where did i say i was ok with it but i can see why it would happen in a 2 bowl conference.

there isn't a western fan alive that would like to see western in a bowl more than i do. i would drive across this usa from coast to coast to watch it if western made a bowl. hell i drove from fla to Detroit and back to fla the next day last year during a blizzard so there is no bigger fan than i am


but i can see where the 2nd place team has just as good of a reason to be picked for a bowl as a 8-4 western. i will be disappointed and a little pissed off but that's life and no need to whine and cry over and over and over about it.

say you are disappointed and the reason why and move on.

(12-01-2013 05:11 PM)BRBrian Wrote:  

(12-01-2013 04:28 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  I will be very disappointed if we don't go to Mobile for the bowl probably a lot more so if we were staying in the SBC knowing the same could happen next year also. So I get that part. My disappointment will be because not often do travel plans workout perfect and everything lines up...well almost perfect.

As I said before on Jan 2nd WKU has a basketball game in Mobile and on Jan 4th at Troy (freaking) crybaby st and add in a bowl game in Mobile on Jan 5th would be icing on the cake. The only thing better would be to switch the basketball games around.


But if Western is left out of the bowl while being disappointed it's something I think most Western fans can understand without thinking someone was out to get us. A few will think that but no where close to what the muts fans did last year....

and still cry about to this day

Glad I am part of a fan base that gets pissed that their players were robbed from something they worked pretty hard for. They went from a 2 win season to an 8 win season only to get snubbed by a team they beat. I would much rather be a part of that fan base than the ones that say, "I'm cool with our players not going to a bowl because this is the expectations I have set for our program." Now I see why Taggart left the program and bashed the fans on his way out.

every bowl eligible school that gets left out had players that worked hard. yet you guys (western stalkers) always think you're special. you're not. you're just another directional regional university.

your teeny tiny personal expectations make zero difference in what happens. you make me LOL with your thought process that you and the rest of the middle message board heros have any effect.

willie taggart left to go to his hometown and it had zero to do with fan support. and it worked out fine for us. western hiring petrino was bigger on a national stage than anything middle has done in their entire football history.

(12-01-2013 05:37 PM)dahbeed Wrote:  

(12-01-2013 05:11 PM)BRBrian Wrote:  

(12-01-2013 04:28 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  I will be very disappointed if we don't go to Mobile for the bowl probably a lot more so if we were staying in the SBC knowing the same could happen next year also. So I get that part. My disappointment will be because not often do travel plans workout perfect and everything lines up...well almost perfect.

As I said before on Jan 2nd WKU has a basketball game in Mobile and on Jan 4th at Troy (freaking) crybaby st and add in a bowl game in Mobile on Jan 5th would be icing on the cake. The only thing better would be to switch the basketball games around.


But if Western is left out of the bowl while being disappointed it's something I think most Western fans can understand without thinking someone was out to get us. A few will think that but no where close to what the muts fans did last year....

and still cry about to this day

Glad I am part of a fan base that gets pissed that their players were robbed from something they worked pretty hard for. They went from a 2 win season to an 8 win season only to get snubbed by a team they beat. I would much rather be a part of that fan base than the ones that say, "I'm cool with our players not going to a bowl because this is the expectations I have set for our program." Now I see why Taggart left the program and bashed the fans on his way out.

every bowl eligible school that gets left out had players that worked hard. yet you guys (western stalkers) always think you're special. you're not. you're just another directional regional university.

your teeny tiny personal expectations make zero difference in what happens. you make me LOL with your thought process that you and the rest of the middle message board heros have any effect.

willie taggart left to go to his hometown and it had zero to do with fan support. and it worked out fine for us. western hiring petrino was bigger on a national stage than anything middle has done in their entire football history.

I resent your remarks beed, we had some whiners no doubt, I wasn't one of them. I thought we got a raw deal and regardless of whether Benson gave us bad info on purpose or out of incompetence, regardless of how much truth there was to Benson forcing us into announcing our departure early, I ultimately have no problem with us being left out last year, I can only speak for myself, but I think many MT fans would have been far less wound up had Benson just stated publicly "while it is our goal to get all our eligible teams into bowls, if one has to be left out, it's in our best interest that a departing member be the one left out." We might have still felt we deserved it more based on record, but the transparency would have been appreciated and objectively, I wouldn't have disagreed with his reasoning.

On every side of every rivalry, there is a belief that the other side is obsessed or "stalkers" and that they think their special. Every single way you just described MT fans there are just as many WKU fans that could be described the same way, but I know more think that fits you than I think it fits me.

Your final point about Petrino is hilarious, if Petrino had not wrecked his motorcycle,you wouldn't have even had the opportunity to do something bigger on the national stage than anything in either of our histories. Throwing the Petrino hire out there as a point of pride or something to hold over our heads is majorly small time amigo, you were a benefactor of happenstance, congrats bud...

(11-30-2013 07:52 PM)gostAte870 Wrote:  

(11-30-2013 07:44 PM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  WKU officials think so, but we have been fooled before...To all the Ark. St. fans, you are truly showing your ass tonight...GOod lord, what do you guys have to be mad about..You are going bowling regardless..

It ain't about going bowling. We knew all week that we would be number 2 in the conference regardless of tonight, but it's the fact that WE WON TONIGHT and it was taken away from us THREE TIMES!(FOUR TIMES IF YOU COUNT THAT 4th AND LONG PLAY WHEN YOUR GUY CAUGHT THE BALL OUT OF BOUNDS BACK IN YOUR TERRITORY). A-State is really 8-4 and we will forever say that we were 8-4 in the 2013 regular season.

You lost the game, claiming to be 8-4 the next day, let alone "forever" is beyond hilarious.


Let me save you from having to make your stock response that has zero to do with this.

"45-0"


You could have beaten us 45-0 every year for a decade(who leads the all time series, I can't remember) and that still wouldn't change what a lunatic you look like claiming Arkansas State fans will view 2013 as 8-4 forever.

(12-01-2013 07:43 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(12-01-2013 05:37 PM)dahbeed Wrote:  

(12-01-2013 05:11 PM)BRBrian Wrote:  

(12-01-2013 04:28 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  I will be very disappointed if we don't go to Mobile for the bowl probably a lot more so if we were staying in the SBC knowing the same could happen next year also. So I get that part. My disappointment will be because not often do travel plans workout perfect and everything lines up...well almost perfect.

As I said before on Jan 2nd WKU has a basketball game in Mobile and on Jan 4th at Troy (freaking) crybaby st and add in a bowl game in Mobile on Jan 5th would be icing on the cake. The only thing better would be to switch the basketball games around.


But if Western is left out of the bowl while being disappointed it's something I think most Western fans can understand without thinking someone was out to get us. A few will think that but no where close to what the muts fans did last year....

and still cry about to this day

Glad I am part of a fan base that gets pissed that their players were robbed from something they worked pretty hard for. They went from a 2 win season to an 8 win season only to get snubbed by a team they beat. I would much rather be a part of that fan base than the ones that say, "I'm cool with our players not going to a bowl because this is the expectations I have set for our program." Now I see why Taggart left the program and bashed the fans on his way out.

every bowl eligible school that gets left out had players that worked hard. yet you guys (western stalkers) always think you're special. you're not. you're just another directional regional university.

your teeny tiny personal expectations make zero difference in what happens. you make me LOL with your thought process that you and the rest of the middle message board heros have any effect.

willie taggart left to go to his hometown and it had zero to do with fan support. and it worked out fine for us. western hiring petrino was bigger on a national stage than anything middle has done in their entire football history.

I resent your remarks beed, we had some whiners no doubt, I wasn't one of them. I thought we got a raw deal and regardless of whether Benson gave us bad info on purpose or out of incompetence, regardless of how much truth there was to Benson forcing us into announcing our departure early, I ultimately have no problem with us being left out last year, I can only speak for myself, but I think many MT fans would have been far less wound up had Benson just stated publicly "while it is our goal to get all our eligible teams into bowls, if one has to be left out, it's in our best interest that a departing member be the one left out." We might have still felt we deserved it more based on record, but the transparency would have been appreciated and objectively, I wouldn't have disagreed with his reasoning.

On every side of every rivalry, there is a belief that the other side is obsessed or "stalkers" and that they think their special. Every single way you just described MT fans there are just as many WKU fans that could be described the same way, but I know more think that fits you than I think it fits me.

Your final point about Petrino is hilarious, if Petrino had not wrecked his motorcycle,you wouldn't have even had the opportunity to do something bigger on the national stage than anything in either of our histories. Throwing the Petrino hire out there as a point of pride or something to hold over our heads is majorly small time amigo, you were a benefactor of happenstance, congrats bud...

the fact middle fans interjected here is proof of their non-stop western stalking. you don't have to ride in on lightning to save the day for one of your mouth breathers.

and you are flat out lying if you think western fans will howl at the level the majority of the middle fanbase did last year. maybe you do believe that but it would surprise me. you always try to play the nonchalant joe friday but you're letting your homerism bleed through on this one.

i don't recall naming you in the group of whiners anyway.

i didn't state anything untrue about petrino. on the NATIONAL STAGE it's bigger than anything in middle's history regardless of the happenstance of how the hiring came about. if bobby p keeps his nose clean until he moves on it has been a great move for us. we've received massive publicity over it with the majority (large) has been positive. we'll be mentioned as the school that took a chance on him after he moves on.

i fully expect the conference to NOT help us out for any bowl. forget we're still a member. it's just common sense that there'd be no good reason to help out a departing member. i'm NOT crying about it like the majority of your fanbase did.

please have your folks stop the stalking. you'll have plenty of time to do that next year. do you see me on your board stalking middle? i didn't think so.

(12-01-2013 08:42 PM)dahbeed Wrote:  

(12-01-2013 07:43 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  I resent your remarks beed, we had some whiners no doubt, I wasn't one of them. I thought we got a raw deal and regardless of whether Benson gave us bad info on purpose or out of incompetence, regardless of how much truth there was to Benson forcing us into announcing our departure early, I ultimately have no problem with us being left out last year, I can only speak for myself, but I think many MT fans would have been far less wound up had Benson just stated publicly "while it is our goal to get all our eligible teams into bowls, if one has to be left out, it's in our best interest that a departing member be the one left out." We might have still felt we deserved it more based on record, but the transparency would have been appreciated and objectively, I wouldn't have disagreed with his reasoning.

On every side of every rivalry, there is a belief that the other side is obsessed or "stalkers" and that they think their special. Every single way you just described MT fans there are just as many WKU fans that could be described the same way, but I know more think that fits you than I think it fits me.

Your final point about Petrino is hilarious, if Petrino had not wrecked his motorcycle,you wouldn't have even had the opportunity to do something bigger on the national stage than anything in either of our histories. Throwing the Petrino hire out there as a point of pride or something to hold over our heads is majorly small time amigo, you were a benefactor of happenstance, congrats bud...

the fact middle fans interjected here is proof of their non-stop western stalking. you don't have to ride in on lightning to save the day for one of your mouth breathers.

and you are flat out lying if you think western fans will howl at the level the majority of the middle fanbase did last year. maybe you do believe that but it would surprise me. you always try to play the nonchalant joe friday but you're letting your homerism bleed through on this one.

i don't recall naming you in the group of whiners anyway.

i didn't state anything untrue about petrino. on the NATIONAL STAGE it's bigger than anything in middle's history regardless of the happenstance of how the hiring came about. if bobby p keeps his nose clean until he moves on it has been a great move for us. we've received massive publicity over it with the majority (large) has been positive. we'll be mentioned as the school that took a chance on him after he moves on.

i fully expect the conference to NOT help us out for any bowl. forget we're still a member. it's just common sense that there'd be no good reason to help out a departing member. i'm NOT crying about it like the majority of your fanbase did.

please have your folks stop the stalking. you'll have plenty of time to do that next year. do you see me on your board stalking middle? i didn't think so.

For starters, I know you weren't including me among the whiners, but I do still think you are overstating about my fan base in general, but don't take that as a defense of all MT fans individually.

I also never said you guys would whine as much as we did, you'll have some major whiners, but beed, your situation wasn't exactly the same as ours either, was it?

We went from a conference member in good standing sitting at 8-3 eyeing an outright conference title, to an out of the blue conference move announcement turning us into public enemy #1 on this board(and then whipping boy after the beatdown in Jonesboro) to victim of an unexpected bowl snub all in a period of what? A week? And the schadenfreude displayed by our soon to be former conference members only compounded matters. Conversely WKU fans got to watch all of that unfold and those with half a brain had a year to prepare for their season ending in similar fashion. You've mentioned multiple times you had always been prepared to have the conference do you zero favors, MT fans had no reason to expect that treatment before the season, after our sixth win, after our seventh win or after our eighth win. Just not even remotely the same situation and you should know that.

You're also correct in that you didn't say anything false about Petrino,but I stand by what I said that it's a pretty funny thing to try to hold over our heads. It would be the equivalent of bragging about a WKU alum who was planning on leaving a meager estate to his alma mater, winning a $500 million jackpot and dying the next day and it turning into a national story. If you think the happenstance of the Petrino hire is something to brag about, more power to you I suppose.

I'm really not sure why you are so concerned with "Western stalkers" you guys have just as any Middle stalkers, it's the nature of a rivalry.

Anyway, you know I'm a long time fan of yours, at the end of the day it's not that big of a deal, hope you had a good thanksgiving, looking forward to being conference mates again.

(12-01-2013 09:19 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(12-01-2013 08:42 PM)dahbeed Wrote:  

(12-01-2013 07:43 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  I resent your remarks beed, we had some whiners no doubt, I wasn't one of them. I thought we got a raw deal and regardless of whether Benson gave us bad info on purpose or out of incompetence, regardless of how much truth there was to Benson forcing us into announcing our departure early, I ultimately have no problem with us being left out last year, I can only speak for myself, but I think many MT fans would have been far less wound up had Benson just stated publicly "while it is our goal to get all our eligible teams into bowls, if one has to be left out, it's in our best interest that a departing member be the one left out." We might have still felt we deserved it more based on record, but the transparency would have been appreciated and objectively, I wouldn't have disagreed with his reasoning.

On every side of every rivalry, there is a belief that the other side is obsessed or "stalkers" and that they think their special. Every single way you just described MT fans there are just as many WKU fans that could be described the same way, but I know more think that fits you than I think it fits me.

Your final point about Petrino is hilarious, if Petrino had not wrecked his motorcycle,you wouldn't have even had the opportunity to do something bigger on the national stage than anything in either of our histories. Throwing the Petrino hire out there as a point of pride or something to hold over our heads is majorly small time amigo, you were a benefactor of happenstance, congrats bud...

the fact middle fans interjected here is proof of their non-stop western stalking. you don't have to ride in on lightning to save the day for one of your mouth breathers.

and you are flat out lying if you think western fans will howl at the level the majority of the middle fanbase did last year. maybe you do believe that but it would surprise me. you always try to play the nonchalant joe friday but you're letting your homerism bleed through on this one.

i don't recall naming you in the group of whiners anyway.

i didn't state anything untrue about petrino. on the NATIONAL STAGE it's bigger than anything in middle's history regardless of the happenstance of how the hiring came about. if bobby p keeps his nose clean until he moves on it has been a great move for us. we've received massive publicity over it with the majority (large) has been positive. we'll be mentioned as the school that took a chance on him after he moves on.

i fully expect the conference to NOT help us out for any bowl. forget we're still a member. it's just common sense that there'd be no good reason to help out a departing member. i'm NOT crying about it like the majority of your fanbase did.

please have your folks stop the stalking. you'll have plenty of time to do that next year. do you see me on your board stalking middle? i didn't think so.

For starters, I know you weren't including me among the whiners, but I do still think you are overstating about my fan base in general, but don't take that as a defense of all MT fans individually.

I also never said you guys would whine as much as we did, you'll have some major whiners, but beed, your situation wasn't exactly the same as ours either, was it?

We went from a conference member in good standing sitting at 8-3 eyeing an outright conference title, to an out of the blue conference move announcement turning us into public enemy #1 on this board(and then whipping boy after the beatdown in Jonesboro) to victim of an unexpected bowl snub all in a period of what? A week? And the schadenfreude displayed by our soon to be former conference members only compounded matters. Conversely WKU fans got to watch all of that unfold and those with half a brain had a year to prepare for their season ending in similar fashion. You've mentioned multiple times you had always been prepared to have the conference do you zero favors, MT fans had no reason to expect that treatment before the season, after our sixth win, after our seventh win or after our eighth win. Just not even remotely the same situation and you should know that.

You're also correct in that you didn't say anything false about Petrino,but I stand by what I said that it's a pretty funny thing to try to hold over our heads. It would be the equivalent of bragging about a WKU alum who was planning on leaving a meager estate to his alma mater, winning a $500 million jackpot and dying the next day and it turning into a national story. If you think the happenstance of the Petrino hire is something to brag about, more power to you I suppose.

I'm really not sure why you are so concerned with "Western stalkers" you guys have just as any Middle stalkers, it's the nature of a rivalry.

Anyway, you know I'm a long time fan of yours, at the end of the day it's not that big of a deal, hope you had a good thanksgiving, looking forward to being conference mates again.

are you still stalking me?

j/k. i guess i've just really enjoyed almost a year of the bickering being gone and certainly don't look forward to its return. i haven't been over to the other board other than my inauspicious beginning and not sure i'll even bother once we're in coosa.

(12-01-2013 03:28 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(12-01-2013 03:23 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  Fact repeated for emphasis: 2011 WKU 7-1 ,alone in second place=NO BOWL.

3rd place Cajuns 6-2 went bowling
4th place FIU 5-3 went bowling

Just 2 years ago but many seem to forget.We at WKU have NOT and it is one of the reasons we went to C-USA!

Yeah that sucks, but they took those for market and/or geography. Same thing that might happen to us with Troy next week.

Agreed. And that is why the current arrangement is so bad. The bowls should be a reward for winning, not for being located close to a bowl. UL deserves any bowl they get this year, but under the current arrangement ,basically as long as UL is eligible, they have a bid to NOLA. USA and Troy have a leg up on everyone else as long as they are eligible. So Ark St, Tx St, ULM, WKU, Ga St, and next year Idaho, NMSU, Ga So and App St ahve to win the conference to get a bid, while the other three teams only have to win 6 games.