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RE: Who is UT QB in 2014
It would be great to have Bruce G. work with the QB's for acouple of days.
12-02-2013 03:45 AM
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I agree with article in the Blah that QB play in the turnover department killed this team. Article pointed out miscues in the Mizzou, BSU, NIU and Akron games that could have been game changers for us. This team wasn't that far away, but penalties, dumb mistakes and to a minor extent injuries took us out of contention.
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(12-02-2013 09:05 AM)emanoh Wrote:  I agree with article in the Blah that QB play in the turnover department killed this team. Article pointed out miscues in the Mizzou, BSU, NIU and Akron games that could have been game changers for us. This team wasn't that far away, but penalties, dumb mistakes and to a minor extent injuries took us out of contention.


When we played teams like EMU, BG, etc on whom we could ram the ball down their throat with the run game we did well and it set up the occasional downfield throw nicely. When we played touugh run defenses like NIU and Fla, or played without Flu, the passing game got exposed. Reedy will be lucky to be third team All-MAC and as someone mentioned, we hae decent tight ends but they rarely saw the ball. I think Macon started to show what he can do and Russell should benefit from being THE man but unless we get a QB that can deliver the ball we'll be a power running team with the same problem against good Ds.
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Our O is confusing, we come out looking like a spread, pro style offense always in the shot gun, but we run the ball 50% of the time with those very predictable turn to your left or right handoffs to the TB. An offense like Auburn's disguises it better. From watching the last couple of years, I don't think this offense can turn the corner. It may work well in HS or DIII, but isn't rugged enough for a full DI college season. Or the other hamstring is that maybe we just didn't have the QB to fully command the offense and maybe we really were 3-4 plays away from having a special season? Owens played admirably, but he's not closing his career as one of our legendary QB's.
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(12-02-2013 03:45 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  It would be great to have Bruce G. work with the QB's for acouple of days.

He would be a pretty good Yoda.
12-02-2013 05:15 PM
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(11-30-2013 12:18 AM)PurpleRocket Wrote:  
(11-30-2013 12:01 AM)Campbell4President Wrote:  Depending on who the OC is next year (hopefully Campbell), it probably really doesn't matter who the starting QB is. The real questions to be answered are:

1. Will we figure out what we are doing on offense to call the plays that work and make sense

2. Will we be able to call them in time in our "no-huddle offense" to not get a penalty or have to call a timeout?

3. Will our receivers be able to catch a ball from any of the QBs when thrown in their hands?

4. Will we be mixing in enough of the running back jump pass to the safety plays to be successful (credit to H2Oville on that one) 03-lmfao

Made the trip over from Alliance today to watch the Rockets. I'm not sure why in the world you'd want Campbell on offense. The play calling was fine...would like more tempo at times, but the drops, overthrows, etc... is the problem, not the play calling. If I'm Campbell, I'm moving back over to the defensive side of the ball. That's where you need some help.

Drops and overthrows have been a problem all season long...that's one of the big issues. I was at work so I couldn't go to this game but I think I saw every game this year otherwise either in person or on TV/Internet. Were there many horizontal pass plays that went nowhere? And if there were a lot of drops and overthrows in this game, that is consistent with pretty much all of the games that I can remember throughout the year. Why would that still be a problem late in the season if it were a problem at the beginning of the season and throughout? Who is accountable for that? The players, the QB and receivers coaches, the offensive coordinator, the head coach, or all involved? If it is on the players, you would assume they'd sit and let the next guy up give it a shot. Who is in charge of making these decisions if it the fault of the players? Why does this team always lose ground in the second half of games from the first half? Do the players not like playing two halves or are poor adjustments being made in the Toledo locker room.

I agree that there are weaknesses on defense, particularly the Rockets' pass protection. That is a huge weakness that we've all identified. But, I have seen improvement over the last couple years on our defense so I believe that it is a work in progress in the right direction. They aren't where they need to be but are much closer than the previous two years, respectively. My concern with the offense is that it is the opposite. We have seen a decline the last couple years from where it was when Matt Campbell was the Rockets' offensive coordinator.

And you mentioned giving them more time. I am all about giving them more time if needed if it meant a long term payoff for Toledo. In fact, I would be fine giving up 5 mediocre or bad seasons if Matt Campbell decided he were a Toledo guy and was going to build a program here like his mentor did at Mount Union and stay to retire after building a powerhouse program. However, I have a feeling that we are talking about giving up a number of mediocre to bad seasons for one good season and then we lose him to a Power Conference team. Those are two different things.
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I agree with Dennis Green. If Ely is who we thought he was, let's crown his ass. Ely for starter in 2014*

* denotes that I've never seen the kid play. Sounds good on paper though
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(12-03-2013 07:35 PM)Carolina Rocket Wrote:  I agree with Dennis Green. If Ely is who we thought he was, let's crown his ass. Ely for starter in 2014*

* denotes that I've never seen the kid play. Sounds good on paper though

Ely has the benefit of a year of coaching at Alabama as well as at UT while Woodside actually has game experience with the Rockets. Although Michael Julian seems to be pretty much overlooked on this board, he came out of a similar offense in HS in Hilton Head, SC with some pretty impressive press clippings and a lot of big time offers. True freshman Travis Smith will also be in the mix although I'll be surprised if he doesn't red shirt.

As I recall all three (four counting Smith) were 3-star recruits out of HS, so all in all I am looking forward to a very, very competitive QB audition during the off season with both an excellent QB & backup emerging. Hopefully they are either "naturals" or alternatively are able to develop (or be developed) better than TO did.
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(12-03-2013 08:49 PM)T-Town Wrote:  
(12-03-2013 07:35 PM)Carolina Rocket Wrote:  I agree with Dennis Green. If Ely is who we thought he was, let's crown his ass. Ely for starter in 2014*

* denotes that I've never seen the kid play. Sounds good on paper though

Ely has the benefit of a year of coaching at Alabama as well as at UT while Woodside actually has game experience with the Rockets. Although Michael Julian seems to be pretty much overlooked on this board, he came out of a similar offense in HS in Hilton Head, SC with some pretty impressive press clippings and a lot of big time offers. True freshman Travis Smith will also be in the mix although I'll be surprised if he doesn't red shirt.

As I recall all three (four counting Smith) were 3-star recruits out of HS, so all in all I am looking forward to a very, very competitive QB audition during the off season with both an excellent QB & backup emerging. Hopefully they are either "naturals" or alternatively are able to develop (or be developed) better than TO did.

Ely has two rings from 'Bama if I'm not mistaken... Two time Florida HS champ prior to that. Hard to teach a kid how to be a champion, but I like where he's been.
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(12-03-2013 09:03 PM)Carolina Rocket Wrote:  
(12-03-2013 08:49 PM)T-Town Wrote:  
(12-03-2013 07:35 PM)Carolina Rocket Wrote:  I agree with Dennis Green. If Ely is who we thought he was, let's crown his ass. Ely for starter in 2014*

* denotes that I've never seen the kid play. Sounds good on paper though

Ely has the benefit of a year of coaching at Alabama as well as at UT while Woodside actually has game experience with the Rockets. Although Michael Julian seems to be pretty much overlooked on this board, he came out of a similar offense in HS in Hilton Head, SC with some pretty impressive press clippings and a lot of big time offers. True freshman Travis Smith will also be in the mix although I'll be surprised if he doesn't red shirt.

As I recall all three (four counting Smith) were 3-star recruits out of HS, so all in all I am looking forward to a very, very competitive QB audition during the off season with both an excellent QB & backup emerging. Hopefully they are either "naturals" or alternatively are able to develop (or be developed) better than TO did.

Ely has two rings from 'Bama if I'm not mistaken... Two time Florida HS champ prior to that. Hard to teach a kid how to be a champion, but I like where he's been.

Ely may very well emerge at the top of the heap as he obviously has a great resume; however, if he does it will be because he beat out some fairly tough competition and will have earned it. It is also hard to overestimate the intangibles that he may have picked up just by being a part of arguably the best current collegiate football program in the country. Alabama not only has a ton of talent, but they also are extremely well prepared and well coached (the last play of the Auburn game not withstanding).

Still, Julian and Woodside are not exactly chopped liver either. Julian was rated the best HS QB in South Carolina in the class of 2013 and had offers from Arizona, Clemson, Boston College, Wisconsin and Indiana according to Mark Myers over on Rocket Report. Woodside was named all-state in at least one publication and was the MVP in the Kentucky HS All Star Bluegrass game and did get a number of reps with the 1st team this year.

Regardless of who emerges as #1 he will have been tested by some tough competition and will be the better for it. Although it is probably too early to speculate, I think that once they get a bit of experience, UT may be in better shape at QB than they have been since Gradkowski graduated in 2005.
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If Ely is not the starting Qb next fall it will be a long season. Hopefully, Ely is as talented as his HS props say he is. Julian and Woodside are Raw as is the QB coming in from Ithica HS next year. Without a dominant QB like Northern has had it will be hard to consistently win, especially if our running game gets slowed down. Thats why we all talk about Bruce or T Bolden. They controlled games with their arm, legs and most importantly their leadership. They RAN the offense, they weren't a part of it. Dantin nor Owens were all league caliber QB's and we saw how that hurt us when they had to win games or be consistent. Oh sure they had their good games, but never good years. The great UT teams had one thing in common great QB leadership. UT has recruited horrible at the QB since Bruce and he wasn't a sure thing coming in.
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(12-03-2013 11:04 PM)utrocks84 Wrote:  If Ely is not the starting Qb next fall it will be a long season. Hopefully, Ely is as talented as his HS props say he is. Julian and Woodside are Raw as is the QB coming in from Ithica HS next year. Without a dominant QB like Northern has had it will be hard to consistently win, especially if our running game gets slowed down. Thats why we all talk about Bruce or T Bolden. They controlled games with their arm, legs and most importantly their leadership. They RAN the offense, they weren't a part of it. Dantin nor Owens were all league caliber QB's and we saw how that hurt us when they had to win games or be consistent. Oh sure they had their good games, but never good years. The great UT teams had one thing in common great QB leadership. UT has recruited horrible at the QB since Bruce and he wasn't a sure thing coming in.

The 2011 Season Dantin and Owens were QB 's. UT was #8 in Passing Efficiency, #30 Passing Offense(Yardage),#10 Total Offense, #8 Scoring Offense. Sounds like a good year to me. Likewise Opelt was #4 in Total Offense and UT was the #4 Passing Offense in 2009 before Aaron was injured in the 5th game against WMU and Dantin wasn't able to be redshirted as a Freshman.
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Wasn't Brian Jones QB after Bruce? He put up somebig numbers if I recall correctly.
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(12-04-2013 01:10 AM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  Wasn't Brian Jones QB after Bruce? He put up somebig numbers if I recall correctly.

He was the starter in 2002. Also played for the Stones.
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(12-04-2013 04:22 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  
(12-04-2013 01:10 AM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  Wasn't Brian Jones QB after Bruce? He put up somebig numbers if I recall correctly.

He was the starter in 2002. Also played for the Stones.

I know he wasn't on the swim team.
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(12-03-2013 11:04 PM)utrocks84 Wrote:  Without a dominant QB like Northern has had it will be hard to consistently win, especially if our running game gets slowed down.

I expect our offense run game to be as good or maybe even better if the stable of backs can stay healthy. We lose our center, but other 4 linemen and both TE's are back. The only thing that can stop our run game next year would be injuries similar to this year.
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