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Wow.

Admission that there were intended losers in all this

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/24/us/don....html?_r=0

Quote:In a little-noticed outcome of President Obama’s Affordable Care Act, jails and prisons around the country are beginning to sign up inmates for health insurance under the law, .............

Prison Inmates Are Signing Up for ACA

I feel like this has become more relevant now (although the number has probably gone up)

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(04-06-2014 10:21 AM)SilentStryk09 Wrote:  I feel like this has become more relevant now (although the number has probably gone up)

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It's funny. For months and months they couldn't give us a number........not even a broad number....... Then suddenly on the final day they can suddenly come up with a number and it's right to the decimal point.

The back end of the website where you pay is still not built. When pressed for how many had actually paid.....oooops they don't know.

When pressed for how many had been kicked off their old plan and just signed up again for the new and improved plan where 80 year old women get covered for pregnancies .....well they didn't know that number either.

When pressed for how many were just thrown on to Medicaid, didn't have that one either.

When asked many were actually the newly insured, you know, the whole damn reason we HADDD to pass it, well of course they didn't have any idea.

When asked the percentage that were in the millinial catagory (young and healthy), nope.... No clue.

But really it doesn't even matter, cause the Ol Liar and Chief has it all baked into his 24000 page bill that none of them could read before they passed it. The mix according to the state exchanges is much too heavy on the older sicker people and way too light on the young and healthy. Since the insurance companies will be losing money you the tax payer will get to pay them so that they are turning a profit. This in addition to the fact your premiums are going up and your deductible is off the charts.

Polling shows the American people hate this DMV cluster f/ck of a program and it will hurt them at the midterm, the Liar and Chief has a solution. Just kick the can past the midterms so people with employer based insurance (which is most of us) don't have to feel the pain until after the Dems can "hopefully" retain the senate.

Employer based plans are going to skyrocket in cost, and rest assured that cost will passed on to the employee.

The irony is we broke the whole damn system so that the 40 million uninsured would get insured and it turns out according to several state exchanges, that even with subsidies the uninsured still aren't interested.

Let the train wreck continue.

(04-06-2014 06:03 AM)okgc Wrote:  

Quote:In a little-noticed outcome of President Obama’s Affordable Care Act, jails and prisons around the country are beginning to sign up inmates for health insurance under the law, .............

Prison Inmates Are Signing Up for ACA

Hello, this is the Obama Care hotline, please hold.

3 hours later..... Yes, my premiums have skyrocketed and I can't afford the deductible either, what can I do?

Not a problem sir, simply commit a felony and once your incarcerated we' ll get you signed up!

I just signed up being an independent, LLC. I got a much better rate (almost half) and WAY BETTER coverage than I used to have via "my own devices" pre April 1.

For once I'm on the receiving end, thanks guys!! Remember lil ol me when you collect your taxpayer funded pensions, paid for healthcare by the states, social security, job training, corporate tax breaks, bank bailouts, law changes to benefit the rich, etc.

My turn.

My son and his wife are self employed and are the only 2 employees of their business. Their 4 year old son is Autistic, and his therapy is crucial and expensive. Through ACA, they were able to get insurance that covers all their needs and were able to save $200 per month over what they had previously, plus reduced co-pays and deductibles.

So this is what it’s like living in "the land of milk and honey". Oh its soooo wonderful. Everyone is so happy. And the best thing .......it’s all free; well practically. How soon until we get the "one world order" worked out?

Obama Clause has almost got this utopia thing figured out. And all of you who are complaining now will understand better after you get back from the mandatory “re-education camps” that everyone will soon be required to attend.

I used to take such caustic talk seriously until we bailed out Wall Street and didn't hold them accountable as a society.

But if you must, I think we offset it by cutting all government employees salaries, benefits across the board, federal, state and local. Bada bing.

(04-07-2014 02:06 PM)DesertBronco Wrote:  I used to take such caustic talk seriously until we bailed out Wall Street and didn't hold them accountable as a society.

But if you must, I think we offset it by cutting all government employees salaries, benefits across the board, federal, state and local. Bada bing.

LOL. I see what you are doing there DB. Not bad. Funny too.

Even our founding fathers felt that the courts were a valid government function. But if it meant getting rid of socialism in America, I would gladly give up my "government job". The judiciary constitutes about .01% of the federal and state budgets though, and some may argue that we need judges. Probably not Obama though. He would undoubtedly gladly eliminate the three branches, and go strictly with the executive

(04-07-2014 02:06 PM)DesertBronco Wrote:  I used to take such caustic talk seriously until we bailed out Wall Street and didn't hold them accountable as a society.

But if you must, I think we offset it by cutting all government employees salaries, benefits across the board, federal, state and local. Bada bing.

So 2 wrongs make a right.

Chipfan, son and his wife are self employed also. They basically have the same catastrophic policy they had before with a 20k deductabe, so in nutshell they'll basically pay cash for everything outside of major accident or illness. Anyway, his premium tripled.

Oh, and those Gold Policies that BO touts for the people with preexisting conditions? They're about 33k on average, unless they get a subsidy I.E. tax payer foots it, or as the low information voter calls it....FREE.

When my union leaders hate it you know there is even worse to come after the midterm and all of the delays expire.

Quote:Chipfan, son and his wife are self employed also. They basically have the same catastrophic policy they had before with a 20k deductabe, so in nutshell they'll basically pay cash for everything outside of major accident or illness. Anyway, his premium tripled.

Yeah, I'm not buying it, I had one of those policies where I paid for everything unless I had a catastrophe. My coverage is much better.

I don't think those are two wrongs at all, I think bailing out rich people is viewed as "right", we heard how they paid it back, how the taxpayer made money off of that, all the spin. Now we help out our own people, it's considered a wrong.

Plus, you throw your rich dentist kid into these discussions waaaaayyyy to often. Please.

He's the only example in my household who is not on a company plan, Charm.....errrr DB.

Quote:............the whole point of ObamaCare was to encourage people to get insurance, and now the market has been completely closed down for the next seven months."

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/04/...until-end/

That's fair and balanced.

So first the complaint they don't want to buy insurance.

Now they complain they can't buy insurance.

Can we be making up our minds?

Seriously, after 38 years of public service I have a very nice Medicare Advantage plan mostly payed by the State. So my perspective is biased.

Up until the 37th change in the law they thought if they didn't buy it the IRS would fine the. But with that 37th change they can check a box that says "I'm kicking the can down the road, and will promise to buy it SOMETIME . "

Cebeilus counts that promise as a paid in full customer, which is even more ironc when you realize that they still haven't built the backend of the website that actually collects the payment.

These people make the DMV seem like a well oiled machine.

Oh, and that box you can check to hold off on purchasing.....that happens to expire right after the midterms. "No politics involved here, nothing to see people, move along."

Even if obamacare was working like Obama promised it would, and had no glitches whatsoever, socialism is bad, and conflicts entirely with free enterprise capitalism.

(04-09-2014 03:32 PM)brovol Wrote:  Even if obamacare was working like Obama promised it would, and had no glitches whatsoever, socialism is bad, and conflicts entirely with free enterprise capitalism.

You saying that's what we had for a health care system pre-ACA?

(04-09-2014 04:16 PM)DesertBronco Wrote:  

(04-09-2014 03:32 PM)brovol Wrote:  Even if obamacare was working like Obama promised it would, and had no glitches whatsoever, socialism is bad, and conflicts entirely with free enterprise capitalism.

You saying that's what we had for a health care system pre-ACA?

The government isn't our daddy.