No way UTSA gets a bid over FAU. When there's more bowl eligible teams than there are bowl spots, why would the NCAA accept a waiver? Common sense here people. But I've yet to congratulate UTSA on their awesome win over UNT. Way to go 'Runners!

(11-24-2013 03:55 PM)FAUAEPi Wrote:  No way UTSA gets a bid over FAU. When there's more bowl eligible teams than there are bowl spots, why would the NCAA accept a waiver? Common sense here people. But I've yet to congratulate UTSA on their awesome win over UNT. Way to go 'Runners!

There will be 75+ bowl eligible teams. Some teams are going to be sitting home. FAU needs to be one of those teams. One quality win the rest are garbage. The only bowl remotely taking a shot at them is Beef but they have better options. IMO.

6 wins maybe but wins over
FCS
0-11 USM
1-10 NMSU
1-11 FIU (maybe)
2-9 UAB
7-4 Tulane

(11-24-2013 04:05 PM)SApuro Wrote:  

(11-24-2013 03:55 PM)FAUAEPi Wrote:  No way UTSA gets a bid over FAU. When there's more bowl eligible teams than there are bowl spots, why would the NCAA accept a waiver? Common sense here people. But I've yet to congratulate UTSA on their awesome win over UNT. Way to go 'Runners!

There will be 75+ bowl eligible teams. Some teams are going to be sitting home. FAU needs to be one of those teams. One quality win the rest are garbage. The only bowl remotely taking a shot at them is Beef but they have better options. IMO.

6 wins maybe but wins over
FCS
0-11 USM
1-10 NMSU
1-11 FIU (maybe)
2-9 UAB
7-4 Tulane

I don't understand the FCS reference, but we've also lost to Middle (in OT), Rice, and Marshall by a combined 12 points. I don't understand how the wins are garbage when our smallest margin of victory this season is 17 over USF. We dominated all of those teams onbthis list, like a good time should, but if you'd rather want a 6-6 Central Michigan team to make a bowl over FAU, then good for you, I'msure the MAC would love to have opinions like yours. I do agree that the BoB bowl is our only chance, and by a long shot.

(11-24-2013 04:05 PM)SApuro Wrote:  

(11-24-2013 03:55 PM)FAUAEPi Wrote:  No way UTSA gets a bid over FAU. When there's more bowl eligible teams than there are bowl spots, why would the NCAA accept a waiver? Common sense here people. But I've yet to congratulate UTSA on their awesome win over UNT. Way to go 'Runners!

There will be 75+ bowl eligible teams. Some teams are going to be sitting home. FAU needs to be one of those teams. One quality win the rest are garbage. The only bowl remotely taking a shot at them is Beef but they have better options. IMO.

6 wins maybe but wins over
FCS
0-11 USM
1-10 NMSU
1-11 FIU (maybe)
2-9 UAB
7-4 Tulane

No. You don't deserve a waiver. You should have to wait the years just like every other school.

(11-24-2013 02:22 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

Quote:The conference should work not to screw over a team that is actually sticking around.

Agreed. As far as Tulane in the NOLA Bowl, I know that Tulane would prefer something else -- including Hawaii. But my impression is that the NOLA people actually want the Tulane/ULL matchup and the conference is not wanting to reject the explicit request of its own bowl-partners.

For some time now I was certain that we'd see a Cajun/Green Wave matchup in the New Orleans Bowl but I honestly believe that's becoming less likely with each passing week. I don't think either team really wants to play the other this year in a bowl game.

I say that knowing nothing about how a team's wishes affect the final decision of who goes where. However, seems like no one wishes to go to Hawaii so perhaps Tulane would get that spot by default.

(11-24-2013 05:25 PM)CajunFanatico Wrote:  For some time now I was certain that we'd see a Cajun/Green Wave matchup in the New Orleans Bowl but I honestly believe that's becoming less likely with each passing week. I don't think either team really wants to play the other this year in a bowl game.

I say that knowing nothing about how a team's wishes affect the final decision of who goes where. However, seems like no one wishes to go to Hawaii so perhaps Tulane would get that spot by default.

I think it's highly unlikely that Tulane goes anywhere but New Orleans. Perhaps the cajuns would go to Mobile to play N Illy - but I don't think N Illy's going there.
Then maybe they can swing the Independence to play an ACC team. I can see the Cajuns wanting a different bowl than NOLA...but they're in the sunbelt and there just aren't many choices.

(11-24-2013 03:55 PM)FAUAEPi Wrote:  No way UTSA gets a bid over FAU. When there's more bowl eligible teams than there are bowl spots, why would the NCAA accept a waiver?

Because they've done it before. Few years ago UCLA got a waiver after losing conf championship game to go 6-7. Georgia Tech got one last year for same reason. Both years there were enough teams to fill the bowls.

I wonder if the bowls themselves have any say in it. For instance, if UTSA were to win the C-USA championship to finish 8-5, I gotta think the HOD bowl would prefer us over a distant FAU 6-6 team that likely won't travel well to Dallas.

(11-24-2013 05:51 PM)Fear The Beak Wrote:  

(11-24-2013 03:55 PM)FAUAEPi Wrote:  No way UTSA gets a bid over FAU. When there's more bowl eligible teams than there are bowl spots, why would the NCAA accept a waiver?

Because they've done it before. Few years ago UCLA got a waiver after losing conf championship game to go 6-7. Georgia Tech got one last year for same reason. Both years there were enough teams to fill the bowls.

I wonder if the bowls themselves have any say in it. For instance, if UTSA were to win the C-USA championship to finish 8-5, I gotta think the HOD bowl would prefer us over a distant FAU 6-6 team that likely won't travel well to Dallas.

No, they have not done it before. No transitional team has ever been in this situation with the conference championships, etc. UCLA and Georgia Tech were granted waivers because they would have been 6-6 and not in the title game had it not been for another division member being on probation. There was no reason to punish those two schools for something another school did.

UTSA's situation is the first one of its kind and there is no reason for the NCAA to bend the rules for them whatsoever. There will be plenty of eligible teams. Wait in line. You'll get your shot next year.

(11-24-2013 03:55 PM)FAUAEPi Wrote:  No way UTSA gets a bid over FAU. When there's more bowl eligible teams than there are bowl spots, why would the NCAA accept a waiver? Common sense here people. But I've yet to congratulate UTSA on their awesome win over UNT. Way to go 'Runners!

They gave a waiver to Georgia Tech last year at 6-7 at our expense even though we beat wholly living shizzle out of them.

Of course, the difference here is UTSA isn't (all hail before the almighty) AQ affiliated.

(11-24-2013 05:36 PM)DrBox Wrote:  I think it's highly unlikely that Tulane goes anywhere but New Orleans [Bowl]

I agree with this.
My point earlier was just that Tulane would prefer any of C-USA's other bowls instead of that one. I still think that is true, but it probably won't matter what we prefer.

(11-24-2013 03:47 PM)oliveandblue Wrote:  I'm sorry, but playing UL-Lafayette just doesn't do it for me. They want the matchup far more than we do.


I've seen Tulane play too many times in a half-empty Superdome. There's a reason we're looking to leave...

I disagree with the statement "they want the matchup far more than we do". While the average Cajun fan loves playing in the Super Dome, few of them want a Tulane matchup.

As for the 'half-empty' comment, last year's Cajun/East Carolina matchup had 48,000+ fans ranking it #16 out of 35 bowls attendance-wise.....well ahead of some "name" bowls. I'd imagine a Cajun/Tulane matchup this year would bring in about 60,000 fans. IMHO, Tulane would be hard-pressed to land another bowl with that kind of attendance.

(11-24-2013 05:51 PM)Fear The Beak Wrote:  

(11-24-2013 03:55 PM)FAUAEPi Wrote:  No way UTSA gets a bid over FAU. When there's more bowl eligible teams than there are bowl spots, why would the NCAA accept a waiver?

Because they've done it before. Few years ago UCLA got a waiver after losing conf championship game to go 6-7. Georgia Tech got one last year for same reason. Both years there were enough teams to fill the bowls.

I wonder if the bowls themselves have any say in it. For instance, if UTSA were to win the C-USA championship to finish 8-5, I gotta think the HOD bowl would prefer us over a distant FAU 6-6 team that likely won't travel well to Dallas.

Obviously the HOD bowl would rather want UTSA over FAU, nobody is saying that they wouldn't. And as I mentioned before, the BoB bowl is our only hope. But UTSA isn't GaTech nor UCLA. There waiver was granted because 1. They lost in the conference championship game, which is technically not a regular season fixture and 2. THEY WEREN'T TRANSLATIONAL. I don't understand why some UTSA fans just don't get it. What is happening has never happened before, but think about, this is the NCAA we're talking about here! Thinking, just because this happened to "school X", means the same thing will happen to "school Z" even though they're two completely different situations is setting yourself up for a let down.
Does UTSA deserve a bowl game? Yes. Their student athletes have performed on a great level, and have represented their university and our conference well.
Is the rule stupid? Yes. It punishes student athletes that work their ass off.
Does that mean the NCAA will do what is right? **** no.

(11-24-2013 05:51 PM)Fear The Beak Wrote:  

(11-24-2013 03:55 PM)FAUAEPi Wrote:  No way UTSA gets a bid over FAU. When there's more bowl eligible teams than there are bowl spots, why would the NCAA accept a waiver?

Because they've done it before. Few years ago UCLA got a waiver after losing conf championship game to go 6-7. Georgia Tech got one last year for same reason. Both years there were enough teams to fill the bowls.

I wonder if the bowls themselves have any say in it. For instance, if UTSA were to win the C-USA championship to finish 8-5, I gotta think the HOD bowl would prefer us over a distant FAU 6-6 team that likely won't travel well to Dallas.

That statement is bogus. In 2008 a "distant FAU 6-6 team" was picked over other bowl-eligible teams to travel to Motor City Bowl in Detroit, Michigan (we whooped the 8-4 CMU's ass there)

(11-24-2013 06:34 PM)goliath74 Wrote:  

(11-24-2013 05:51 PM)Fear The Beak Wrote:  

(11-24-2013 03:55 PM)FAUAEPi Wrote:  No way UTSA gets a bid over FAU. When there's more bowl eligible teams than there are bowl spots, why would the NCAA accept a waiver?

Because they've done it before. Few years ago UCLA got a waiver after losing conf championship game to go 6-7. Georgia Tech got one last year for same reason. Both years there were enough teams to fill the bowls.

I wonder if the bowls themselves have any say in it. For instance, if UTSA were to win the C-USA championship to finish 8-5, I gotta think the HOD bowl would prefer us over a distant FAU 6-6 team that likely won't travel well to Dallas.

That statement is bogus. In 2008 a "distant FAU 6-6 team" was picked over other bowl-eligible teams to travel to Motor City Bowl in Detroit, Michigan (we whooped the 8-4 CMU's ass there)

How is the statement bogus? I guarantee the HOD bowl would prefer UTSA over FAU. A bowl game in Detroit in 2008 doesn't invalidate anything.

Good thing the Heart of Dallas doesn't have to, and won't, pick between UTSA and FAU.

(11-24-2013 06:30 PM)FAUAEPi Wrote:  I don't understand why some UTSA fans just don't get it. What is happening has never happened before, but think about, this is the NCAA we're talking about here! Thinking, just because this happened to "school X", means the same thing will happen to "school Z" even though they're two completely different situations is setting yourself up for a let down.

Slow down cowboy. No one is saying it WILL happen, just that it COULD happen. The NCAA has done many unpredictable and unprecedented things, what makes you so sure they wouldn't grant an exception to an 8-5 conference champion? (I don't think we would get an exception at 7-5, but if we win the conference, I think we might.)

Also, SBNation evidently thinks winning an appeal is at least a possibility, or why bothering mentioning it?

"UTSA would likely be picked ahead of a couple of those at-large teams, but is still transitioning to FBS. All other six-win teams must be picked before the Roadrunners can go, without a successful NCAA appeal."

http://www.sbnation.com/college-football...redictions

(11-24-2013 06:45 PM)Fear The Beak Wrote:  

(11-24-2013 06:34 PM)goliath74 Wrote:  

(11-24-2013 05:51 PM)Fear The Beak Wrote:  

(11-24-2013 03:55 PM)FAUAEPi Wrote:  No way UTSA gets a bid over FAU. When there's more bowl eligible teams than there are bowl spots, why would the NCAA accept a waiver?

Because they've done it before. Few years ago UCLA got a waiver after losing conf championship game to go 6-7. Georgia Tech got one last year for same reason. Both years there were enough teams to fill the bowls.

I wonder if the bowls themselves have any say in it. For instance, if UTSA were to win the C-USA championship to finish 8-5, I gotta think the HOD bowl would prefer us over a distant FAU 6-6 team that likely won't travel well to Dallas.

That statement is bogus. In 2008 a "distant FAU 6-6 team" was picked over other bowl-eligible teams to travel to Motor City Bowl in Detroit, Michigan (we whooped the 8-4 CMU's ass there)

How is the statement bogus? I guarantee the HOD bowl would prefer UTSA over FAU. A bowl game in Detroit in 2008 doesn't invalidate anything.

Bowls have, in the past, picked the "distant FAU 6-6 team". And UTSA will need a waiver to qualify for a bowl. Something that no transitional program had ever gotten.

How is the bowl game in Detroit different from a bowl game in Dallas from the standpoint of a collection people tasked with selecting teams? FAU was far from Detroit, which is as far (if not farther than it is from Dallas). If anything, our five and a half traveling fans are far less likely to travel to a snowed-in Michigan locale than the one in Texas.

For the record, I do happen to believe that UTSA deserve a bowl game more than we do. But UTSA are not eligible for a bowl right this minute and I do not think they become eligible this year.

(11-24-2013 07:23 PM)goliath74 Wrote:  Bowls have, in the past, picked the "distant FAU 6-6 team". And UTSA will need a waiver to qualify for a bowl. Something that no transitional program had ever gotten.

How is the bowl game in Detroit different from a bowl game in Dallas from the standpoint of a collection people tasked with selecting teams? FAU was far from Detroit, which is as far (if not farther than it is from Dallas). If anything, our five and a half traveling fans are far less likely to travel to a snowed in Michigan locale than the one in Texas.

No transitional team has ever won a conference championship, so stating no transitional team has ever gotten a waiver is silly.

And the Detroit game is different because this is TEXAS and a Texas bowl would rather have a Texas team that they know will bring a lot of fans. It's nothing against FAU, and not saying any other bowl would prefer UTSA over FAU, but HOD would. Just like I'm sure the Florida bowls would prefer FAU over UTSA.