(11-24-2013 12:16 PM)bullet Wrote:  I can agree with this. But also, Auburn didn't have that great a defense when they won the BCS title a couple years back. Several great players, but not a great defense. They "outscored" most of their opponents. They won one game giving up 43 points.

Yes, but they held Oregon to 19 points.

(11-24-2013 10:52 AM)Tiguar Wrote:  just posting to reiterate murray did not break the plane of the goal line before a knee going down. uga got a gift

Just to reiterate-you are stating an opinion. The cameras were definitely not conclusive. Defensive players blocked the view of the knee from the goal-line camera and the overhead couldn't tell you when the ball crossed. The sideline judge could have gotten it wrong, but he did have a clear view.

I hate to muddle lp4's logic with facts, but the SEC East's best OOC win this year was on the road at 9-1 UCF. You know, that Florida based team that knows how to beat one of the "top" teams you listed earlier ITT. (Louisville)

(11-24-2013 11:31 AM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  

(11-23-2013 11:14 PM)LSUtah Wrote:  Here we go again after Baylor's inevitable loss tonight...effectively out of the conversation with no championship game. It's ironic how this plays out year after year...

A championship would not do them any good....more likely would hurt one of the top teams. Year after year??? come on.

The way that the divisions normally help the SEC is by letting a strong team in one division duck out on playing a strong team in the other division. When the divisions are as unbalanced as this year, there's not much benefit.

(11-23-2013 11:53 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  That's ridiculous. No way they could go through that gauntlet with all of their injuries too. Georgia arguably would win the Big 10, Big 12, and Pac 12.

I reckon after the twenty five games required to reach all three CCG, their injury toll would be even worse, and they lose all three championship games.

(11-24-2013 12:34 PM)UCF_SystemsEng Wrote:  I hate to muddle lp4's logic with facts, but the SEC East's best OOC win this year was on the road at 9-1 UCF. You know, that Florida based team that knows how to beat one of the "top" teams you listed earlier ITT. (Louisville)

Sorry, I forget about UCF. That would be the SEC east's best OOC win to date.

(11-24-2013 03:59 AM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  1. I would suggest that FSU has no weaknesses this year - which explains the timing of the legal hounding of Winston.

2. I noted earlier that the best OOC wins in the SEC this year Indiana and UNC. It would be remiss not to allow the SEC west to show up the east.

Ole Miss has the only good win in the bunch a win over 8-3 Texas.

Bama has beaten an 7-4 VT team - a team with next to no offense.

Auburn beat a 6-5 Washington State team.

LSU has beaten a 4-7 TCU team. Poor hornfrogs

One of Arkansas' three wins is over 8-2 Louisiana-Lafayette.

TAMU's best OOC win is over Rice.

Mississippi State managed a win over 8-3 Bowling Green.

As weak as this is, it is better than the ACC Atlantic as they only have wins over the much maligned 7-4 Georgia, the horrible 4-7 Florida, and the equally bad 4-7 West Virginia squad that managed to beat Oklahoma State.

Even if the ACC wins 3 of 4 over the SEC next week it will mean a win over a horrible 4-8 UF team, and win over a 7-5 Vandy team, and good win over a 9-3 SC team but of course that SC team is tainted by it's own loss to 4-7 Tennessee and that pesky Georgia team that once was good but now is bad. I don't expect GT's option to beat UGA unless Murray does not play.


3. There doesn't seem to be a lot of good wins out there this year as the good wins seem to fade. Oregon has laid down. Stanford lost to a sorry Utah team, Baylor was killed by OSU, who lost to 4-7 West Virginia a team beaten by 6-5 Maryland. Now Baylor has to face Texas and a second loss is possible. TAMU stunk it up today against a 3 loss LSU team. Louisville has no good wins. Michigan State lost to ND who lost to Pitt.

4. I really don't see how anyone can argue with FSU, Bama, and OSU being the top teams. I don't know what makes FSU somehow incomplete. Any question about Bama will be anwered in the next two weeks. And Ohio State's record is there for all to see - it's very good, just not as good as Bama's and FSU's.

I think that FSU does have one weakness on defense - I think they would have problems with any team that has a strong up the gut running game and enough of a passing threat to keep them honest (ie Alabama). Now, don't get me wrong, if FSU and Bama play for the MNC, I will be pulling for FSU but I can't say that I agree with the "no weaknesses" idea.

Have to have conference champs play each other in a playoff. It's the only way to decide who's best. It's silly trying to compare teams the way it is now. They play 4 OOC games, at most. One against an FCS school. Another against a poor Sun Belt or MAC school. One against a middling non-AQ or AQ school and maybe one against a good team. Then they play their conference schedule. There's no way to compare teams in different conferences.

(11-24-2013 07:42 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  Have to have conference champs play each other in a playoff. It's the only way to decide who's best. It's silly trying to compare teams the way it is now. They play 4 OOC games, at most. One against an FCS school. Another against a poor Sun Belt or MAC school. One against a middling non-AQ or AQ school and maybe one against a good team. Then they play their conference schedule. There's no way to compare teams in different conferences.

Sorry- but that ship has long since sailed. TV basically I think told them that was DOA. You can't take a year like 2011(when after the season is when they did the playoff)- and have a situation where the 4th best conference champion was ranked #10- TV wanted absolutely no part of #10 Wisconsin get in while #2 Alabama was out. They know most fans would not see that as a realistic playoff situation.

(11-23-2013 11:56 PM)jml2010 Wrote:  Pretty damn simple to me: If Texas wants this conference to survive, then they along with Oklahoma and Texas Tech need to get back to dominating this conference.

That being said, I'm as giddy as kid on Christmas at Baylor getting knocked the efff out tonight.

You can remove the Texas Tech portion of your post. The rest of the country would laugh if Texas Tech won the B12. WVU has been awful these past 2 years but they have a lot more respect nationally than TT.

(11-25-2013 08:59 PM)mlb Wrote:  

(11-23-2013 11:56 PM)jml2010 Wrote:  Pretty damn simple to me: If Texas wants this conference to survive, then they along with Oklahoma and Texas Tech need to get back to dominating this conference.

That being said, I'm as giddy as kid on Christmas at Baylor getting knocked the efff out tonight.

You can remove the Texas Tech portion of your post. The rest of the country would laugh if Texas Tech won the B12. WVU has been awful these past 2 years but they have a lot more respect nationally than TT.

They weren't laughing in 08 after we beat #1 Texas with one of the greatest plays ever(Harrell to Crabtree). They weren't laughing when beat Oklahoma St by 32 and rose to #2 in the country.

That being said, they were laughing after the slaughter in Norman. To be fair, no one was beating the Sooners that night in Norman.

From 2000-2009, we had a shot 3 different times to make the Big 12 Championship but ran into damn good OU and Texas teams. I like West Virginia and won't say anything bad but I have feeling there are a lot of old BE fans out there laughing at the demise of the Eer's

We don't play intramurals here in the Big 12.

(11-24-2013 02:02 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  The way that the divisions normally help the SEC is by letting a strong team in one division duck out on playing a strong team in the other division. When the divisions are as unbalanced as this year, there's not much benefit.

When did the SEC benefit from this moreso than anyone else? Since their title-winning run started, the Big 12 and ACC also had divisions and a title game, and the B1G had a title game the last two years, and before that a weird schedule whereby every team didn't play every other team, allowing two strong teams to finish unbeaten ducking each other (e.g., Iowa and Ohio State, 2002). Only the PAC had an "everyone plays everyone" schedule for most of the BCS era.

And in recent years the PAC did manage to put teams in the title game in 2004, 2005, and 2010, not too shabby.

(11-26-2013 10:15 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-24-2013 02:02 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  The way that the divisions normally help the SEC is by letting a strong team in one division duck out on playing a strong team in the other division. When the divisions are as unbalanced as this year, there's not much benefit.

When did the SEC benefit from this moreso than anyone else? Since their title-winning run started, the Big 12 and ACC also had divisions and a title game, and the B1G had a title game the last two years, and before that a weird schedule whereby every team didn't play every other team, allowing two strong teams to finish unbeaten ducking each other (e.g., Iowa and Ohio State, 2002). Only the PAC had an "everyone plays everyone" schedule for most of the BCS era.

And in recent years the PAC did manage to put teams in the title game in 2004, 2005, and 2010, not too shabby.

Alabama has greatly benefitted the last few years. They haven't played Georgia, Florida, South Carolina or Missouri. They've played Tennessee when they were down. Georgia benefitted until this year. Auburn was down and they didn't play Alabama, A&M or LSU.

As strong as the SEC has been in recent years, in 2011, Alabama only played 2 teams ranked in the final AP Poll-Arkansas and LSU.

Auburn and Penn St were in the final BCS top 25 that year as well. Beat both of them handily.

(11-26-2013 01:16 PM)stever20 Wrote:  Auburn and Penn St were in the final BCS top 25 that year as well. Beat both of them handily.

Penn St. was unranked after the bowls after Houston beat them handily. Auburn wasn't in the AP poll but was in the coaches.

(11-26-2013 01:53 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(11-26-2013 01:16 PM)stever20 Wrote:  Auburn and Penn St were in the final BCS top 25 that year as well. Beat both of them handily.

Penn St. was unranked after the bowls after Houston beat them handily. Auburn wasn't in the AP poll but was in the coaches.

well if you say that, than they played LSU a 2nd time.