Going into today's game Kay was second to Johnny Manziel in completion percentage. Today Manziel went 16/41 with 2 ints for 224 yards and a quarterback rating of 14.9! Kay was 29/50 in 2 ints for 386 yards and a QB rating of 70.0.

I am not comparing Kay to Manziel, just saying that the completion percentage should go past Manziel again. (and Manziel did have a sh!tty game today.)

Have not looked but Shane Carden at ECU might leap frog Kay and Johnny Football.
ECU beat NC State and North Carolina this year.

Carden was 23 for 30 today, 76.7%.

Carden was 23/30 for 255, 3 TDs and a rating of 90.0!

1 thing NFL scouts are liking about Kay, he stays in the pocket and can take the
hits, Dude is tough.

Kay's grit, ability to take a beating and keep coming at you, and ability to read, pass, and make plays is amazing. He has garnered a whole new level of respect from me this year and he will be sorely missed. Wish we had him ONE more year (vs OSU and Miami next year).

Thank you B. Kay!

Only, and I mean only, thing I do not like about Kay's game is what happens when he back pedals from trouble deep n the pocket. Throw it away.

Dude is a stud. Glad he is on our side.

(11-24-2013 12:40 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Only, and I mean only, thing I do not like about Kay's game is what happens when he back pedals from trouble deep n the pocket. Throw it away.

Dude is a stud. Glad he is on our side.

Makes you wonder what the last 2 seasons would have been like had we been running this offense from the beginning with Kay.

I think he must sit on the sidelines and sip sweet tea during practice because there is no other explanation why 2 staffs in a row fell in love with Munchie's million dollar legs and 20 buck arm (just my opinion, sorry).

Kay will be on a roster or practice squad next year for a team that plays on Sunday. Kid's touch on the vertical throws is that good, IMO.

The most illogical question, at least to me, is how can the majority of the people on this board (and in most barrooms) see how good Kay is, but two staffs want to make this a running QB team. It cannot be Munchie's arm because, for the most part, compared to Kay, it is ugly and non-existent. So it has to be his legs. Even when Lyle was here, he finally figured out that this team couldn't win with the Munchero at QB. So I just don't get it. I know that the staffs are "professionals" and see the two every day. But what is it about Munchie that they have fallen in love with over Kay? Or was Kay's arm/shoulder hurt so bad at the beginning of the season (much, much more than they let on) that they just couldn't play him?

This season early on Munchie played more because of Kay's shoulder.

(11-24-2013 01:28 AM)ctipton Wrote:  The most illogical question, at least to me, is how can the majority of the people on this board (and in most barrooms) see how good Kay is, but two staffs want to make this a running QB team. It cannot be Munchie's arm because, for the most part, compared to Kay, it is ugly and non-existent. So it has to be his legs. Even when Lyle was here, he finally figured out that this team couldn't win with the Munchero at QB. So I just don't get it. I know that the staffs are "professionals" and see the two every day. But what is it about Munchie that they have fallen in love with over Kay? Or was Kay's arm/shoulder hurt so bad at the beginning of the season (much, much more than they let on) that they just couldn't play him?

Agree CTip, totally baffling. And on top of that I don't ever remember hearing about Kay being bad in practice or having any issues learning offense etc. You would think plenty of people would have heard about those type of problems if there were any.

People realize Kay was hurt early in the year, right? It's probably a part of the reason the offense struggled so much even against bad teams.

IMO the difference in the offensive production is the change to the spread and the change to Kay as quarterback. I believe that you need to look no further than the Duke game last year. The offense was hitting on all cylinders. FAst forward to the Purdue- first half of USf game and the pro-set/Munchie. Munchie looked like the same qb as last year. He was getting balls batted down. He had a hard time checking off receivers and delivering an accurate pass. I do not believe that Munchie is a viable option at qb. The position does not fit his skill set. He makes too many mistakes and his delivery negates the fact that he is 6 foot 5. I would like to see him as a slot.

Subsequent to Munchie's injury Kay was not very effective in games until the second half of the USF game sans the FCS game. This is when Gran switched to the spread. I surmise that Kay and the rest of the team is built for the spread offense. Kay has the natural ability to think quickly to read defenses and deliver the ball to the appropriate receiver. We do not have the talent to line-up under center and run the ball for 4 yards effectively on 85 percent of the plays. Teams like Illinois have recruited just as well or better than us in the trenches over the last 4 years so I think we need a bit of a gimmick to compete. The spread allows for this gimmick.

Coach TT has admitted to almost everything I have laid out above. If you listen closely to his interviews, he talks about Kays special skills to find receivers. Watch the Tommy Tubberfield show after the Rutgers win and he talks about the offenses growth and the reasons.

At any rate, I hope that he does not want to go back to the pro-set next year. I do not think that we can recruit at a high enough level to compete with this offense. Alabama can be effective in a pro-set because they get great recruits, but Cincy cannot. I think our ceiling in a pro-set would look like Pitt circa 2008 when Wanny was their coach. Pitt had stockpiled talent but could never get over the hump. They were consistently beat by spread teams with arguably less talent.

Quote:At any rate, I hope that he does not want to go back to the pro-set next year. I do not think that we can recruit at a high enough level to compete with this offense. Alabama can be effective in a pro-set because they get great recruits, but Cincy cannot. I think our ceiling in a pro-set would look like Pitt circa 2008 when Wanny was their coach. Pitt had stockpiled talent but could never get over the hump. They were consistently beat by spread teams with arguably less talent.

^^This^^

Yup, Kay was obviously too hurt to start the year. Did you guys she how bad he was against Miami (OH)?

(11-24-2013 01:28 AM)ctipton Wrote:  The most illogical question, at least to me, is how can the majority of the people on this board (and in most barrooms) see how good Kay is, but two staffs want to make this a running QB team. It cannot be Munchie's arm because, for the most part, compared to Kay, it is ugly and non-existent. So it has to be his legs. Even when Lyle was here, he finally figured out that this team couldn't win with the Munchero at QB. So I just don't get it. I know that the staffs are "professionals" and see the two every day. But what is it about Munchie that they have fallen in love with over Kay? Or was Kay's arm/shoulder hurt so bad at the beginning of the season (much, much more than they let on) that they just couldn't play him?

valid questions we all want the answers to….and I doubt we will get them

Was looking at stats on ESPN. With basically 1.5 games less than most everyone else at QB (He ranks 59th in pass attempts this season), Kay is in the top 25 in EVERY major passing statistic.

Completions: 225 (T-20)
Completion %: 70.3% (4th)
Passing Yardage: 2797 (25th)
Yards per PA: 9.1 (T-11)
Passing TD's: 22 (T-21)
Passer Rating: 160.8 (12th)
Total QBR: 82.6 (6th)
Sacks Taken: 9 (T-8 amongst QB's with more than 200 PA)

Pretty impressive for a kid who's been hurt for a majority of the season!

I can't get passed how Kay looked early in the year. He sailed a ton of passes and just did not look healthy. There was a lot of chatter about him being injured. I think health is probably the main reason he did not win the job from day 1.

Kay and Pike are the two best UC Quarterbacks of the last decade and probably longer. Their careers are almost mirror images of each other. Both never played a full season with Bearcats. Blame it on injuries, coaching, or bad luck but those are two guys that could have owned the record books if they played more. Pike against Pitt in 2009 and Kay in the Belk Bowl last year proved they had what it takes to make the big play when everything was on the line. True toughness and great Bearcats.