If C-USA were at 11 members I'd say yes, but we're not so.......sadly no.

(11-25-2013 04:03 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  Strange things happen routinely in college football but I find it difficult to believe that CUSA would take any action until they are actively engaged in negotiating the next tv deal and have some clue what sort of money is available for 2017 and beyond.

The last year of the CUSA TV deal is 2015-16.

CUSA is going to have to have a new TV deal on board by Spring of 2015 and any expansion decisions in place by then.

The future of CUSA is in trouble with no national presence in FB or BB right now. Its not impossible to envision the Texas/Louisiana schools breaking ranks and forming their own conference if CUSA can't get a deal in place.

(11-25-2013 05:01 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(11-25-2013 02:30 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  MAC doesn't seem to be interested in going to 14.

No reason to think we'd know whether or not they are interested.

They need to either expand by one FB school and two all-sports schools by UMass upgrading to all-sports and taking an all-sports expansion, or else expand by one FB school but stand pat at 12 all-sports schools by adding one FB-only school.

If all 12 were agreed on a course of action on UMass this past summer, it could have already happened. So it seems likely they haven't decided yet.

The MAC wants to tie UMass together with a new TV deal and a GOR.

They can't get a GOR signed with several programs looking over their shoulders at the AAC or academic or athletic reasons.

No.

The answer is NO. The reasons are JMU adds no value to CUSA because the conference already has a presences in VA and JMU is not in a metro (TV) area.

JMU and Liberty are great VA schools and would be a great addition to several conferences that have no presences in the State, do not focus on metro settings, or need to add another school. If we did not already have a VA school and did not have the option of a team that fit our profile I would be happy to have either in the CUSA.

If and when the CUSA decides to grow (I hope they don't have to) I hope they will focus on schools that have a metro sitting (mini vacations add to the experience) and are in states which we have no presences in it/them.

(11-25-2013 10:41 PM)Rabonchild Wrote:  The answer is NO. The reasons are JMU adds no value to CUSA because the conference already has a presences in VA and JMU is not in a metro (TV) area.

JMU and Liberty are great VA schools and would be a great addition to several conferences that have no presences in the State, do not focus on metro settings, or need to add another school. If we did not already have a VA school and did not have the option of a team that fit our profile I would be happy to have either in the CUSA.

If and when the CUSA decides to grow (I hope they don't have to) I hope they will focus on schools that have a metro sitting (mini vacations add to the experience) and are in states which we have no presences in it/them.

You realize you just limited your options severely right? There are few schools that meet both qualifications left in CUSA's footprint. And those that do meet them are in FCS.

Boise's indecision really lead to some decisions that were not well coordinated by the AACK! and CUSA. CUSA and MWC held onto their merger proposal while Boise was Missouriing around. They might have made the same decisions, but I think the G5 would have been better off as a G4. There are 4 more schools in FBS fighting for the same recruits in the south.

If the MWC had also taken UTEP and UTSA, the CUSA had taken ULL and Ark. St. instead of UNCC and Old Dominion and replaced the Texas schools with Troy/USA (or maybe NMSU/Texas St.), the Sun Belt would have been left with just ULM. WAC would have had just Idaho, NMSU and Texas St. (or alternatively Sun Belt ULM, Troy, S. Alabama, WAC with Idaho). The MAC could have gone to 14 with Old Dominion or a football only member from the 4 remaining schools. Then that playoff money is divided 4 ways not 5 and among 54 schools instead of 62.

(11-26-2013 09:59 AM)bullet Wrote:  Boise's indecision really lead to some decisions that were not well coordinated by the AACK! and CUSA. CUSA and MWC held onto their merger proposal while Boise was Missouriing around. They might have made the same decisions, but I think the G5 would have been better off as a G4. There are 4 more schools in FBS fighting for the same recruits in the south.

If the MWC had also taken UTEP and UTSA, the CUSA had taken ULL and Ark. St. instead of UNCC and Old Dominion and replaced the Texas schools with Troy/USA (or maybe NMSU/Texas St.), the Sun Belt would have been left with just ULM. WAC would have had just Idaho, NMSU and Texas St. (or alternatively Sun Belt ULM, Troy, S. Alabama, WAC with Idaho). The MAC could have gone to 14 with Old Dominion or a football only member from the 4 remaining schools. Then that playoff money is divided 4 ways not 5 and among 54 schools instead of 62.

Or, the Sun Belt and CUSA could have just merged. Oddly enough, CUSA would be a better football conference as a result. Too many teams to do it now. So expect at least 1 more FCS moveup to be produced out of this. The big winners in this were Texas State, Idaho, and NM State (who would have been left independents as a result of an early CUSA/SBC merger), and Appy, Ga State, Ga Southern, UNCC, and ODU (who would have been left in FCS in such a scenario as well). UTSA probably would be in trouble as well if that had happened.

But that's not how it went down. Some teams are happy with this state of affairs. But I don't think the original and remaining CUSA teams or the original Sun Belt teams are part of that.

(11-25-2013 06:22 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(11-25-2013 04:03 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  Strange things happen routinely in college football but I find it difficult to believe that CUSA would take any action until they are actively engaged in negotiating the next tv deal and have some clue what sort of money is available for 2017 and beyond.

The last year of the CUSA TV deal is 2015-16.

CUSA is going to have to have a new TV deal on board by Spring of 2015 and any expansion decisions in place by then.

The future of CUSA is in trouble with no national presence in FB or BB right now. Its not impossible to envision the Texas/Louisiana schools breaking ranks and forming their own conference if CUSA can't get a deal in place.

I can see how you would want to believe this as a fan of the AAC and with the Ohio Bobcat set as your avatar, but these opinions run counter to the factual evidence coming out of CUSA right now. For example, CUSA just put together a bowl lineup that makes every other G5 conference envious, at least for now. Any defectors won't be able to take that with them.

You really need to look at this from a media perspective. CUSA only has ties to the sports leader with its postseason. Its regular season content is currently split between CBS and Fox. Both are entities that are expanding their sports programming and in search of more college football. They are unlikely to want to give up on a conference already in the fold when at the same time they are trying to pry more conferences away from ESPN. Remember, it was NBC sports who drove the bidding behind the AAC contract.

What seems more likely is that CUSA will seek more exposure rather than ask for more money. For example, they could ask CBS to expand and upgrade the conference's online content so that it is more on par with what ESPN and Fox are offering the P5. They could ask Fox for more games on FS1. In short, I don't necessarily see CUSA getting more or less money, but they could very well get more benefit.

Your statement that CUSA lacks a national presence in football and basketball and is therefore doomed is erroneous, too. CUSA did lose some marquis names, but gained a lot of parity, and therefore, competitiveness as a result. There are two schools of thought on this: One states that you need a big name team to be recognized as being successful. The other states that a tough, competitive conference is a huge advantage when dealing with other conferences on your same level. CUSA long bought into the idea that a marquis name was important when it had to in basketball with Memphis and the eleven dwarves, but there is no indication whatsoever that the conference can't consistently produce more bids every year without the marquis name but with smart scheduling and a good competitive balance. This strategy has worked for other basketball conferences in a similar position to CUSA, but it has failed others. Football will need someone to regularly emerge as the team everyone else is challenging in each division every year, but there is already one strong football presence in the conference that needs to fix its problems fast, and others are making the necessary investment and eyeing their opportunity.

In short, it might be a while before the conference re-emerges with a new identity, but there is no reason to believe that anyone is on board to defect right now and give up guaranteed money, bowl tie-ins, and shots at the Big Dance when they can establish and build an identity for themselves right where they are.

As for the original question, if there is a defection, you will likely see CUSA look at the western fringes of the Sun Belt for expansion first. This is because that is where several of the university presidents who control the conference want any new team to come from. The east presidents want a western school because they want to preserve the east division of the conference. The west presidents want a western school because they view any defection as likely to come from the west. For example, UTEP to the Mountain West or Rice to the AAC (rumored to be the top school on their list since they are located in a large metropolitan area and CUSA's four privates were close to each other, and only Rice remains in CUSA).

JMU could still be invited under the "best school available" argument, but it does not seem like many of the current and future CUSA presidents (aside from ODU's) openly feel that way right now.

(11-26-2013 06:41 PM)Freshy Wrote:  

(11-25-2013 06:22 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(11-25-2013 04:03 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  Strange things happen routinely in college football but I find it difficult to believe that CUSA would take any action until they are actively engaged in negotiating the next tv deal and have some clue what sort of money is available for 2017 and beyond.

The last year of the CUSA TV deal is 2015-16.

CUSA is going to have to have a new TV deal on board by Spring of 2015 and any expansion decisions in place by then.

The future of CUSA is in trouble with no national presence in FB or BB right now. Its not impossible to envision the Texas/Louisiana schools breaking ranks and forming their own conference if CUSA can't get a deal in place.

I can see how you would want to believe this as a fan of the AAC and with the Ohio Bobcat set as your avatar, but these opinions run counter to the factual evidence coming out of CUSA right now. For example, CUSA just put together a bowl lineup that makes every other G5 conference envious, at least for now. Any defectors won't be able to take that with them.

You really need to look at this from a media perspective. CUSA only has ties to the sports leader with its postseason. Its regular season content is currently split between CBS and Fox. Both are entities that are expanding their sports programming and in search of more college football. They are unlikely to want to give up on a conference already in the fold when at the same time they are trying to pry more conferences away from ESPN. Remember, it was NBC sports who drove the bidding behind the AAC contract.

What seems more likely is that CUSA will seek more exposure rather than ask for more money. For example, they could ask CBS to expand and upgrade the conference's online content so that it is more on par with what ESPN and Fox are offering the P5. They could ask Fox for more games on FS1. In short, I don't necessarily see CUSA getting more or less money, but they could very well get more benefit.

Your statement that CUSA lacks a national presence in football and basketball and is therefore doomed is erroneous, too. CUSA did lose some marquis names, but gained a lot of parity, and therefore, competitiveness as a result. There are two schools of thought on this: One states that you need a big name team to be recognized as being successful. The other states that a tough, competitive conference is a huge advantage when dealing with other conferences on your same level. CUSA long bought into the idea that a marquis name was important when it had to in basketball with Memphis and the eleven dwarves, but there is no indication whatsoever that the conference can't consistently produce more bids every year without the marquis name but with smart scheduling and a good competitive balance. This strategy has worked for other basketball conferences in a similar position to CUSA, but it has failed others. Football will need someone to regularly emerge as the team everyone else is challenging in each division every year, but there is already one strong football presence in the conference that needs to fix its problems fast, and others are making the necessary investment and eyeing their opportunity.

In short, it might be a while before the conference re-emerges with a new identity, but there is no reason to believe that anyone is on board to defect right now and give up guaranteed money, bowl tie-ins, and shots at the Big Dance when they can establish and build an identity for themselves right where they are.

As for the original question, if there is a defection, you will likely see CUSA look at the western fringes of the Sun Belt for expansion first. This is because that is where several of the university presidents who control the conference want any new team to come from. The east presidents want a western school because they want to preserve the east division of the conference. The west presidents want a western school because they view any defection as likely to come from the west. For example, UTEP to the Mountain West or Rice to the AAC (rumored to be the top school on their list since they are located in a large metropolitan area and CUSA's four privates were close to each other, and only Rice remains in CUSA).

JMU could still be invited under the "best school available" argument, but it does not seem like many of the current and future CUSA presidents (aside from ODU's) openly feel that way right now.

I don't think that anyone is arguing that the CUSA is doomed. It is, however, not as prominent as it once was, and many feel the expansion decisions it has made were not the best choices as far as the football product is concerned.

I would personally be very surprised if Rice got a sniff from the AAC. They already have a team in Houston. Rice is tiny and has a tiny alumni base. They bring little of consequence to the AAC. I live in Houston. They have an undersized presence here in Houston.

UTEP to the Mountain West is a possibility, but I see that is also unlikely at this time. The MWC is full right now, and there is little incentive to go to 14 teams, barring a return to the MWC by BYU (who isn't getting a bid anywhere better if they get tired of being independent unless they compromise on a few things). If the MWC needs a 14th team, then, yes, you're getting raided (UNM does not want to play with NMSU). But for the time being, I don't see it.

You do have a better bowl lineup for the time being than the Sun Belt or the MAC. And a better TV contract.

However, to argue that JMU is the 'best available team' is pretty incredible. Do you think JMU>Arkansas State? or ULL? Granted I get that both of them have opposition from existing CUSA members.

(11-26-2013 06:41 PM)Freshy Wrote:  

(11-25-2013 06:22 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(11-25-2013 04:03 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  Strange things happen routinely in college football but I find it difficult to believe that CUSA would take any action until they are actively engaged in negotiating the next tv deal and have some clue what sort of money is available for 2017 and beyond.

The last year of the CUSA TV deal is 2015-16.

CUSA is going to have to have a new TV deal on board by Spring of 2015 and any expansion decisions in place by then.

The future of CUSA is in trouble with no national presence in FB or BB right now. Its not impossible to envision the Texas/Louisiana schools breaking ranks and forming their own conference if CUSA can't get a deal in place.

What seems more likely is that CUSA will seek more exposure rather than ask for more money. For example, they could ask CBS to expand and upgrade the conference's online content so that it is more on par with what ESPN and Fox are offering the P5. They could ask Fox for more games on FS1. In short, I don't necessarily see CUSA getting more or less money, but they could very well get more benefit.

Your statement that CUSA lacks a national presence in football and basketball and is therefore doomed is erroneous, too. CUSA did lose some marquis names, but gained a lot of parity, and therefore, competitiveness as a result. There are two schools of thought on this: One states that you need a big name team to be recognized as being successful. The other states that a tough, competitive conference is a huge advantage when dealing with other conferences on your same level. CUSA long bought into the idea that a marquis name was important when it had to in basketball with Memphis and the eleven dwarves, but there is no indication whatsoever that the conference can't consistently produce more bids every year without the marquis name but with smart scheduling and a good competitive balance. This strategy has worked for other basketball conferences in a similar position to CUSA, but it has failed others. Football will need someone to regularly emerge as the team everyone else is challenging in each division every year, but there is already one strong football presence in the conference that needs to fix its problems fast, and others are making the necessary investment and eyeing their opportunity.

In short, it might be a while before the conference re-emerges with a new identity, but there is no reason to believe that anyone is on board to defect right now and give up guaranteed money, bowl tie-ins, and shots at the Big Dance when they can establish and build an identity for themselves right where they are.

Good response. What you are describing above largely happened with the transition from CUSA 1.0 to CUSA 2.0. From the standpoint of looking at past history you're prediction sounds sensible.

As long as a possibility exists of CUSA 3.0 collapsing around its next TV contract the MAC would be wise to lurch in the background waiting for an opportunity to counter raid. That makes a lot more sense for the MAC than racing out adding a bunch of FCS schools when existing FBS schools may be available.

Take a look at the FB and BB media polls. CUSA currently has no representation in the polls, not even votes received. What that says is the conference has no national presence. Yes games are on TV but the league is a non factor nationally.

(11-25-2013 10:41 PM)Rabonchild Wrote:  The answer is NO. The reasons are JMU adds no value to CUSA because the conference already has a presences in VA and JMU is not in a metro (TV) area.

JMU and Liberty are great VA schools and would be a great addition to several conferences that have no presences in the State, do not focus on metro settings, or need to add another school. If we did not already have a VA school and did not have the option of a team that fit our profile I would be happy to have either in the CUSA.

If and when the CUSA decides to grow (I hope they don't have to) I hope they will focus on schools that have a metro sitting (mini vacations add to the experience) and are in states which we have no presences in it/them.

Liberty is not a 'great school'. The quality of that school is why they got told 'no thanks' by a conference that took Idaho, NMSU, and no conference bowl game instead. They didn't make the Big South prominent. They won't make any conference dumb enough to take them prominent. They discriminate on a level unseen by any other FBS program, including BYU and Baylor and their continuing actions, statements and policies offend many in the CUSA/SBC/MAC communities as well as violate the diversity and employment non-discrimination statements/policies of every member of each one of those conferences. And we're talking about schools in Alabama and Mississippi, not schools in San Francisco or Boston. Their president is the son of the university's founder, and dynastic succession is not a sign of a well run institution. They have serious academic credentialing issues.

I don't think JMU or anyone else would think better of joining a conference where they would have to contend with the baggage that joining a conference with Liberty would bring. Or a University President having to attend meetings with Jerry Fallwell Jr as a peer.

In short, JMU may get left behind as a result of its own ambivalence towards joining a conference that actually wants them. Liberty? Zero chance with the MAC. Close to zero with CUSA and the Belt.

(11-26-2013 07:58 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(11-26-2013 06:41 PM)Freshy Wrote:  

(11-25-2013 06:22 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(11-25-2013 04:03 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  Strange things happen routinely in college football but I find it difficult to believe that CUSA would take any action until they are actively engaged in negotiating the next tv deal and have some clue what sort of money is available for 2017 and beyond.

The last year of the CUSA TV deal is 2015-16.

CUSA is going to have to have a new TV deal on board by Spring of 2015 and any expansion decisions in place by then.

The future of CUSA is in trouble with no national presence in FB or BB right now. Its not impossible to envision the Texas/Louisiana schools breaking ranks and forming their own conference if CUSA can't get a deal in place.

I can see how you would want to believe this as a fan of the AAC and with the Ohio Bobcat set as your avatar, but these opinions run counter to the factual evidence coming out of CUSA right now. For example, CUSA just put together a bowl lineup that makes every other G5 conference envious, at least for now. Any defectors won't be able to take that with them.

You really need to look at this from a media perspective. CUSA only has ties to the sports leader with its postseason. Its regular season content is currently split between CBS and Fox. Both are entities that are expanding their sports programming and in search of more college football. They are unlikely to want to give up on a conference already in the fold when at the same time they are trying to pry more conferences away from ESPN. Remember, it was NBC sports who drove the bidding behind the AAC contract.

What seems more likely is that CUSA will seek more exposure rather than ask for more money. For example, they could ask CBS to expand and upgrade the conference's online content so that it is more on par with what ESPN and Fox are offering the P5. They could ask Fox for more games on FS1. In short, I don't necessarily see CUSA getting more or less money, but they could very well get more benefit.

Your statement that CUSA lacks a national presence in football and basketball and is therefore doomed is erroneous, too. CUSA did lose some marquis names, but gained a lot of parity, and therefore, competitiveness as a result. There are two schools of thought on this: One states that you need a big name team to be recognized as being successful. The other states that a tough, competitive conference is a huge advantage when dealing with other conferences on your same level. CUSA long bought into the idea that a marquis name was important when it had to in basketball with Memphis and the eleven dwarves, but there is no indication whatsoever that the conference can't consistently produce more bids every year without the marquis name but with smart scheduling and a good competitive balance. This strategy has worked for other basketball conferences in a similar position to CUSA, but it has failed others. Football will need someone to regularly emerge as the team everyone else is challenging in each division every year, but there is already one strong football presence in the conference that needs to fix its problems fast, and others are making the necessary investment and eyeing their opportunity.

In short, it might be a while before the conference re-emerges with a new identity, but there is no reason to believe that anyone is on board to defect right now and give up guaranteed money, bowl tie-ins, and shots at the Big Dance when they can establish and build an identity for themselves right where they are.

As for the original question, if there is a defection, you will likely see CUSA look at the western fringes of the Sun Belt for expansion first. This is because that is where several of the university presidents who control the conference want any new team to come from. The east presidents want a western school because they want to preserve the east division of the conference. The west presidents want a western school because they view any defection as likely to come from the west. For example, UTEP to the Mountain West or Rice to the AAC (rumored to be the top school on their list since they are located in a large metropolitan area and CUSA's four privates were close to each other, and only Rice remains in CUSA).

JMU could still be invited under the "best school available" argument, but it does not seem like many of the current and future CUSA presidents (aside from ODU's) openly feel that way right now.

I don't think that anyone is arguing that the CUSA is doomed. It is, however, not as prominent as it once was, and many feel the expansion decisions it has made were not the best choices as far as the football product is concerned.

I would personally be very surprised if Rice got a sniff from the AAC. They already have a team in Houston. Rice is tiny and has a tiny alumni base. They bring little of consequence to the AAC. I live in Houston. They have an undersized presence here in Houston.

UTEP to the Mountain West is a possibility, but I see that is also unlikely at this time. The MWC is full right now, and there is little incentive to go to 14 teams, barring a return to the MWC by BYU (who isn't getting a bid anywhere better if they get tired of being independent unless they compromise on a few things). If the MWC needs a 14th team, then, yes, you're getting raided (UNM does not want to play with NMSU). But for the time being, I don't see it.

You do have a better bowl lineup for the time being than the Sun Belt or the MAC. And a better TV contract.

However, to argue that JMU is the 'best available team' is pretty incredible. Do you think JMU>Arkansas State? or ULL? Granted I get that both of them have opposition from existing CUSA members.

I gave up caring what CUSA thinks of ASU a long time ago. We've got our own set of goals, and CUSA is not currently amongst those goals.

It would behoove the rest of us to not concentrate on the possibility of CUSA blowing up, and rather work on building what we do have in the Sun Belt.

It makes more sense for our members to worry about what we do have, and only maintain good relationships just so we are prepared in case CUSA does blow up.

i can't wait for the meltdown on here when JMU joins

(11-27-2013 07:50 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  i can't wait for the meltdown on here when JMU joins

Joins which Conference????

CUSA

(11-26-2013 08:06 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  Take a look at the FB and BB media polls. CUSA currently has no representation in the polls, not even votes received. What that says is the conference has no national presence. Yes games are on TV but the league is a non factor nationally.

Very interesting discussion, although I do believe East Carolina, who is still in CUSA, is getting votes in several polls.

It seems to me that a G5 school certainly has to be a fairly consistent, top level performer within their conference on a year in, year out basis to be in the national conversation, but what truly makes a break out year for "big love" from the national media is a star performer. That is the ingredient that seems to jump a G5 level school into the full national spotlight. Think Keenum at Houston, Carr at Fresno, and Lynch at NIU, as examples. (There are others, so please, no one be offended because I left out your example.) Without those guys, it would be tough to get the respect that some schools might deserve. The media does love a star story.

If that premise is true, from year to year, the strongest G5 school that sees the blossoming of a big time star (particularly at QB) is the likely winner in the rankings' races. Once gone, however, that star's absence will relegate the school back to national irrelevance, once again.

(11-26-2013 08:10 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(11-25-2013 10:41 PM)Rabonchild Wrote:  The answer is NO. The reasons are JMU adds no value to CUSA because the conference already has a presences in VA and JMU is not in a metro (TV) area.

JMU and Liberty are great VA schools and would be a great addition to several conferences that have no presences in the State, do not focus on metro settings, or need to add another school. If we did not already have a VA school and did not have the option of a team that fit our profile I would be happy to have either in the CUSA.

If and when the CUSA decides to grow (I hope they don't have to) I hope they will focus on schools that have a metro sitting (mini vacations add to the experience) and are in states which we have no presences in it/them.

Liberty is not a 'great school'. The quality of that school is why they got told 'no thanks' by a conference that took Idaho, NMSU, and no conference bowl game instead. They didn't make the Big South prominent. They won't make any conference dumb enough to take them prominent. They discriminate on a level unseen by any other FBS program, including BYU and Baylor and their continuing actions, statements and policies offend many in the CUSA/SBC/MAC communities as well as violate the diversity and employment non-discrimination statements/policies of every member of each one of those conferences. And we're talking about schools in Alabama and Mississippi, not schools in San Francisco or Boston. Their president is the son of the university's founder, and dynastic succession is not a sign of a well run institution. They have serious academic credentialing issues.

I don't think JMU or anyone else would think better of joining a conference where they would have to contend with the baggage that joining a conference with Liberty would bring. Or a University President having to attend meetings with Jerry Fallwell Jr as a peer.

In short, JMU may get left behind as a result of its own ambivalence towards joining a conference that actually wants them. Liberty? Zero chance with the MAC. Close to zero with CUSA and the Belt.

I hope almost every team that has moved to a new conference or wants to move up prospers. Whether it be ACC, CUSA, AAC, SBC, JMU or Liberty. JMU's academic standards & retention rate would make it a great add for any conference that is focused on improving in those areas. Football wise they will have some challenges if they move up, but all teams have that, so give them time and they will be ok same with Liberty.

My primary interest is CUSA sports and what adds value to it. The stronger the conference the better chance Charlotte has to recruit better players which should make Charlotte more competitive. I would accept USA with a 17% retention rate (and at this time it doesn't) JMU, or Liberty if it added (at this time they don't) value, eyeballs, and better football potential to the conference.

(11-27-2013 07:50 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  i can't wait for the meltdown on here when JMU joins

You may be waiting a while for that reaction.

No over reaction here though...I would be completely happy if CUSA expanded and never touched the SBC again.

(11-26-2013 08:06 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  As long as a possibility exists of CUSA 3.0 collapsing around its next TV contract the MAC would be wise to lurch in the background waiting for an opportunity to counter raid.

Which CUSA would be appealing as a "counter-raid"?

Surely not Marshall, again, so you are talking about Old Dominion? Is ODU a clearly superior move compared to JMU?