Wow, this is an interesting thread. Good ol' crotchedy Rod Shaw finding everything wrong even when everything went right. Plus, he wants to stay in the ASun, abandon football, and rehire Mullins. OK - wait a minute - I added the last part just for fun to watch the sparks fly.

New convocation center would be great, and it's not off the docket. However, for the time being, this is an excellent alternative. I know it's extremely difficult for certain people on here to think about anything past next week, much less next year. When you're talking $50 million, you're talking long range plan, even @ larger universities. Good grief, that's not chump change.

I of course liked the experience. But there's one huge nugget that's been ignored. Remember those guys running around on the floor, wearing the blue & gold home uniforms, that actually shoot an orange ball into a hoop? They love Freedom Hall, and want to move tomorrow. Then again, all of these experts on here are much more important than those guys, what do they know anyway?

(11-24-2013 03:05 PM)GoBucsGo Wrote:  Wow, this is an interesting thread. Good ol' crotchedy Rod Shaw finding everything wrong even when everything went right. Plus, he wants to stay in the ASun, abandon football, and rehire Mullins. OK - wait a minute - I added the last part just for fun to watch the sparks fly.


I of course liked the experience. But there's one huge nugget that's been ignored. Remember those guys running around on the floor, wearing the blue & gold home uniforms, that actually shoot an orange ball into a hoop? They love Freedom Hall, and want to move tomorrow. Then again, all of these experts on here are much more important than those guys, what do they know anyway?

I didn't say any of that crap and you say I try and stir stuff up.
As for the guys if they are winning they would be happy to play at Carver, as for who is more important, the current players who are going to be here at most 4 years or the people who are season ticket holders who have given tens of thousands of dollars over the years to the program, Hmmm that does seem like an easy answer you are right.
As for My finding stuff wrong pretty sure I am not the only one, etsubus, Bennett also said they weren't happy and probably wouldn't renew season tickets if they made the move to Freedom Hall but yeah it all me, I didn't hear several people around me complaining, nope I am making all that up.

But you are right everything is great about Freedom Hall. The scoreboards, I mean they only stopped working once, well maybe twice in the SAF game and what is a couple of burned out bulbs and who really wants to know how many points the players in the game have so keep the big scoreboard on the ceiling, why waste time using it? Also does any one really care what the PA announcer is saying? That glare off the court? What is a little headache to watch a game in a "real" basketball arena. And do you really need comfortable seats and to be able to see the court from the upper tier(or the bottom rows), I mean really. Plenty of parking to at the bottom of the hill( actually plenty at the top of the hill reserved for people who weren't showing up) I mean they have steps just be careful since there are a some missing hand rails and they don't see the need to turn all the safety lights on. No, nothing a few million dollars of ETSU's money can't fix and I am sure Johnson City would love for them to spend the money on the dump. You just don't make any changes that would alter the buildings usefulness because then Johnson City can't rent out their newly spiffed up arena to Religious groups and heck maybe even have a concert or two.

Uh Rod, remember you whining about putting words in your mouth? I didn't say it was perfect, of course it needs some renovation, and those renovations will cost some money. Missing rails on stairways I hear cost between $1.2 and $1.3 million these days.

All of he problems you bring up are pretty fixable, even the seats. I know that you are keenly aware of the relationship between the city & university. If you were, you would understand that the two want to work together these days. Take a look @ the calendar - what year is it? 1981 or 2013?

I'm sure these players' opinions would be completely different than any other future player in a Buc uniform. It's only this group that would like playing in Freedom Hall, all future players would hate it. Again, they don't know what they're talking about. And oh yeah, I hate winning. Hate it.

So, in the end: Got $50 million?

(11-24-2013 03:39 PM)GoBucsGo Wrote:  Uh Rod, remember you whining about putting words in your mouth? I didn't say it was perfect, of course it needs some renovation, and those renovations will cost some money. Missing rails on stairways I hear cost between $1.2 and $1.3 million these days.

All of he problems you bring up are pretty fixable, even the seats. I know that you are keenly aware of the relationship between the city & university. If you were, you would understand that the two want to work together these days. Take a look @ the calendar - what year is it? 1981 or 2013?

I'm sure these players' opinions would be completely different than any other future player in a Buc uniform. It's only this group that would like playing in Freedom Hall, all future players would hate it. Again, they don't know what they're talking about. And oh yeah, I hate winning. Hate it.

So, in the end: Got $50 million?

Because we ONLY beat Samford and SAF because we played them in Freedom Hall, gotcha.

(11-24-2013 11:34 AM)Buc66 Wrote:  When Dr Noland arrived, he was talking a new convocation center on campus within five years. Now, I know reality. Money, or lack thereof. However, as a "convocation center" , or milti purpose facility, could this possibly be on the future state building list for ETSU? Or is that just wishful thinking given the condition of the economy and the TN state budget which is getting eaten up with health costs? What is needed is a growing, robust national economy again. That would help solve these state budget problems more than anything else.

Tennessee Sales Tax revenue was down 5% last report. That's pretty much an indicator of things to come with the state. This year our nation will spend 18% of the GDP on a healthcare system that ranks 47th in the world. Look for that number to continue to climb as long as we nibble around the edges and refuse to reform our healthcare system.

Long way of saying that I don't anticipate any monies from the State in the upcoming years for a convocation center. There are too many more worthy projects.

(11-24-2013 03:39 PM)GoBucsGo Wrote:  I'm sure these players' opinions would be completely different than any other future player in a Buc uniform. It's only this group that would like playing in Freedom Hall, all future players would hate it. Again, they don't know what they're talking about. And oh yeah, I hate winning. Hate it.

So, in the end: Got $50 million?

All the players currently in uniform? You mean the ones who all recruited to ETSU with Dome being our home court? Every single game they might have come to see while being recruited was in the Dome? Yeah I can see how playing in the Dome would be a deal breaker for kids in the future, it sure was for the current class... oh wait.

Rod - Reality check - how many games we played in Freedom Hall this year? Two.

I love folks who really have no solution, but just tell you whatever is offered is wrong. The only thing "right" costs a massive amount of money that ANY university would be pushed to fund raise, much less ETSU. I struggle so much to find an answer why it takes Johnson City to see progress. Oh wait, there's people here like Rod Shaw. Luckily, this group is slowly getting pushed to the back of the line.

It is simple if I have a choice to play in our dump on campus and possibly spend some money to upgrade I chose that over playing in the City's dump off campus and pouring money into it. I am still not sure what needs a solution? Obviously the Dome is still viable for something or they wouldn't be putting a new roof on it. Freedom Hall might be a solution for a year while Dome is being fixed but I don't see why it needs to become the long term home and the Dome is no longer an option.

I have heard Bartow say to booster tours that there has only been one recruit in the past several years that he has brought in on an official visit to see a home game. First, because it's a hassle to host an official visit during the season, and second, because he does not like them being in the dome atmosphere during the games. He would rather bring them in before or after the season to showcase the locker room and practice court, and simply tell them about the court setup.

As a side note, the player that came during the year was Adam Sollazzo, and it was after he was already committed.

(11-24-2013 03:51 PM)GoBucsGo Wrote:  Rod - Reality check - how many games we played in Freedom Hall this year? Two.

Seems like you are the one who needs the reality check, we have only played two games in Freedom Hall and won both, you are the one who brought up winning and seemed to link it to Freedom Hall, not me. I am 100% sure we would have won both of the games if they had been played in the Dome.

(11-24-2013 03:58 PM)BucMania Wrote:  I have heard Bartow say to booster tours that there has only been one recruit in the past several years that he has brought in on an official visit to see a home game. First, because it's a hassle to host an official visit during the season, and second, because he does not like them being in the dome atmosphere during the games. He would rather bring them in before or after the season to showcase the locker room and practice court, and simply tell them about the court setup.

As a side note, the player that came during the year was Adam Sollazzo, and it was after he was already committed.

If this is true that several of our insiders on this board have been full of hot air because I remember several games where people claimed there were recruits there.

(11-24-2013 03:51 PM)GoBucsGo Wrote:  Rod - Reality check - how many games we played in Freedom Hall this year? Two.

I love folks who really have no solution, but just tell you whatever is offered is wrong. The only thing "right" costs a massive amount of money that ANY university would be pushed to fund raise, much less ETSU. I struggle so much to find an answer why it takes Johnson City to see progress. Oh wait, there's people here like Rod Shaw. Luckily, this group is slowly getting pushed to the back of the line.

Hey Go, just go ahead and put him on your ignore list. It makes the forum a lot more ... and to think that folks complained about Pitt????

My posts are ETSU sports to bad you don't like them. I was asked my opinion I gave it. Pitts posts were about him not ETSU. To compare me to him is a cheap shot but I expect no less from BucDoctor. Me cancellong my season tickets isn't going to affect any of you. Hell o remeber getting a lot of grief for my views on Bartow. Oh well

If Bartow indeed does not bring recruits to home games he is stupid- and no wonder our talent level has slowly eroded. Yes, the dome is not perfect, but it is a better atmosphere and we have better fans than most in our league. And that will still be the case after we move to the Southern.

(11-24-2013 04:31 PM)etsubuc Wrote:  If Bartow indeed does not bring recruits to home games he is stupid- and no wonder our talent level has slowly eroded. Yes, the dome is not perfect, but it is a better atmosphere and we have better fans than most in our league. And that will still be the case after we move to the Southern.

If you really think about it, it's tough to bring in an official visit during the season, regardless of the college. The OV's last 48 hours (I believe that is the NCAA limit), and coordinating that with the college team's schedule, parents' schedules, and the prospective athlete's high school schedule is very tough. It makes much more sense to bring them in before the year to try and get them to sign early during that November signing period...then if they can come to a game, they can pay their way on an unofficial.

Has anyone heard in interviews or print if the players like or don't like playing there? I assume they probably like it considering they are 2-0 there now?

(11-24-2013 04:12 PM)BucDoctor Wrote:  

(11-24-2013 03:51 PM)GoBucsGo Wrote:  Rod - Reality check - how many games we played in Freedom Hall this year? Two.

I love folks who really have no solution, but just tell you whatever is offered is wrong. The only thing "right" costs a massive amount of money that ANY university would be pushed to fund raise, much less ETSU. I struggle so much to find an answer why it takes Johnson City to see progress. Oh wait, there's people here like Rod Shaw. Luckily, this group is slowly getting pushed to the back of the line.

Hey Go, just go ahead and put him on your ignore list. It makes the forum a lot more ... and to think that folks complained about Pitt????

Hey, what ever happened to Pitt?

(11-24-2013 06:53 PM)etsuBucsFan1988 Wrote:  Has anyone heard in interviews or print if the players like or don't like playing there? I assume they probably like it considering they are 2-0 there now?

The write up in the JC Press said the players enjoyed playing there.

(11-24-2013 04:31 PM)etsubuc Wrote:  If Bartow indeed does not bring recruits to home games he is stupid- and no wonder our talent level has slowly eroded. Yes, the dome is not perfect, but it is a better atmosphere and we have better fans than most in our league. And that will still be the case after we move to the Southern.

Living in another state, don't get to many games. But, have never had a bad seat on the west side of the Dome. Thought there was some significant $$ upgrades to the Dome since Noland arrived. Did this not help game day experiencd? Of course, start winning and they'll come, Dome or Freedom Hall.