The BCS bowls can switch teams around for "competitive reasons." Any chance the Sugar Bowl works with the Orange Bowl and the Orange Bowl winds up with a Clemson vs. Mizzou/Auburn matchup? The Sugar Bowl would then be free to get one of Stanford/Michigan S/OK State. Just a thought, since this would be better for the SEC team and the Orange Bowl might love the chance to get an SEC team. On the other hand, they could get a second BCS team anyway.

Any thoughts?

That would make things look like:
NCG: Bama vs. FSU
Orange: Auburn vs. Clemson
Sugar: Stanford vs. Fresno*
Fiesta: Baylor vs. UCF

*I put Fresno there to create a regional matchup. Baylor vs. UCF would start rumors of UCF to Big 12 too.

Again, not sure what the bowls would think. Please don't lambast me!

Why on Earth would the Sugar give up its SEC representative?

Seems to me it would be more like this.
NCG - Alabama v Auburn
Rose - Missouri v Texas A&M
Sugar - South Carolina v LSU
Orange - Ole Miss v Georgia
Fiesta - Vanderbilt v Florida State

Florida State gets in because the SEC won't have any other teams bowl eligible unless Miss State knocks off Ole Miss and Arkansas and then you can take Florida State out.

P.S. Undefeated Ohio State v Undefeated Baylor in the Concession Bowl.

(11-19-2013 12:52 PM)ECUPirated Wrote:  Seems to me it would be more like this.
NCG - Alabama v Auburn
Rose - Missouri v Texas A&M
Sugar - South Carolina v LSU
Orange - Ole Miss v Georgia
Fiesta - Vanderbilt v Florida State

Florida State gets in because the SEC won't have any other teams bowl eligible unless Miss State knocks off Ole Miss and Arkansas and then you can take Florida State out.

P.S. Undefeated Ohio State v Undefeated Baylor in the Concession Bowl.

well done

In the 15 year history of the BCS, every single bowl selection has been 100% for its self-interest without regard to the other bowls. Bowl organizers aren't paid to help out other bowls - they're getting paid to sell the most tickets to their own bowl. The Sugar Bowl is more than happy to let the Orange Bowl die on the vine if it means that a few more upper level seats are sold in New Orleans. The only way an SEC team doesn't go to the Sugar Bowl is we have a 2011 situation with 2 SEC teams in the national championship game.

Assuming Bama v Florida St. in the NCG, the order of picks will be:

1) Sugar (to replace Bama)
2) Orange (to replace FSU)
3) Orange
4) Sugar
5) Fiesta

This would likely leave the rest of the BCS lineup as:

Rose: Ohio St. (B1G) v. Oregon (P12)
Sugar: Clemson (1) v. UCF (AAC/4)
Orange: Auburn/Missouri (2) v. Oklahoma St./Michigan St./Stanford (3)
Fiesta: Baylor (B12) v. Fresno St./NIU (Non-AQ/5)

(11-19-2013 02:22 PM)orangefan Wrote:  Assuming Bama v Florida St. in the NCG, the order of picks will be:

1) Sugar (to replace Bama)
2) Orange (to replace FSU)
3) Orange
4) Sugar
5) Fiesta

This would likely leave the rest of the BCS lineup as:

Rose: Ohio St. (B1G) v. Oregon (P12)
Sugar: Clemson (1) v. UCF (AAC/4)
Orange: Auburn/Missouri (2) v. Oklahoma St./Michigan St./Stanford (3)
Fiesta: Baylor (B12) v. Fresno St./NIU (Non-AQ/5)

Umm no. Sugar is taking an SEC team. Orange takes Clemson plus Ok St/Mich St/Stan/somebody else

(11-19-2013 02:22 PM)orangefan Wrote:  Assuming Bama v Florida St. in the NCG, the order of picks will be:

1) Sugar (to replace Bama)
2) Orange (to replace FSU)
3) Orange
4) Sugar
5) Fiesta

This would likely leave the rest of the BCS lineup as:

Rose: Ohio St. (B1G) v. Oregon (P12)
Sugar: Clemson (1) v. UCF (AAC/4) SEC vs. ?
Orange: Auburn/Missouri (2) v. Oklahoma St./Michigan St./Stanford (3)
Clemson vs. UCF, Ville, or UC
Fiesta: Baylor (B12) v. Fresno St./NIU (Non-AQ/5)

(11-19-2013 02:22 PM)orangefan Wrote:  Assuming Bama v Florida St. in the NCG, the order of picks will be:

1) Sugar (to replace Bama)
2) Orange (to replace FSU)
3) Orange
4) Sugar
5) Fiesta

This would likely leave the rest of the BCS lineup as:

Rose: Ohio St. (B1G) v. Oregon (P12)
Sugar: Clemson (1) v. UCF (AAC/4)
Orange: Auburn/Missouri (2) v. Oklahoma St./Michigan St./Stanford (3)
Fiesta: Baylor (B12) v. Fresno St./NIU (Non-AQ/5)

The Sugar bowl is NOT going to pass on a SEC team to take Clremson.

(11-19-2013 02:45 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  

(11-19-2013 02:22 PM)orangefan Wrote:  Assuming Bama v Florida St. in the NCG, the order of picks will be:

1) Sugar (to replace Bama)
2) Orange (to replace FSU)
3) Orange
4) Sugar
5) Fiesta

This would likely leave the rest of the BCS lineup as:

Rose: Ohio St. (B1G) v. Oregon (P12)
Sugar: Clemson (1) v. UCF (AAC/4)
Orange: Auburn/Missouri (2) v. Oklahoma St./Michigan St./Stanford (3)
Fiesta: Baylor (B12) v. Fresno St./NIU (Non-AQ/5)

The Sugar bowl is NOT going to pass on a SEC team to take Clremson.

That would be fine. I'm sure the Orange would rather have Clemson anyway. They'll bring a lot more fans to Miami than Mizzou.

The SEC team isn't guaranteed to be Auburn/Missouri by any means. I mean, if A&M wins both their last games- they will likely be in no matter what. If Missouri wins both their final games, but loses to Bama in the title game, look for South Carolina to go if they beat Clemson.

(11-19-2013 02:22 PM)orangefan Wrote:  Assuming Bama v Florida St. in the NCG, the order of picks will be:

1) Sugar (to replace Bama)
2) Orange (to replace FSU)
3) Orange
4) Sugar
5) Fiesta

This would likely leave the rest of the BCS lineup as:

Rose: Ohio St. (B1G) v. Oregon (P12)
Sugar: Clemson (1) v. UCF (AAC/4)
Orange: Auburn/Missouri (2) v. Oklahoma St./Michigan St./Stanford (3)
Fiesta: Baylor (B12) v. Fresno St./NIU (Non-AQ/5)

At the start of the BCS era this would have been possible, but they added a rule years ago that if a bowl loses its conference champ to the national championship game, it gets first dips at the 2nd team from that conference. Granted, both Sugar and Orange could say they were OK with this, but I think the Sugar wants SEC and Orange would want Clemson.

(11-19-2013 06:16 PM)ohio1317 Wrote:  

(11-19-2013 02:22 PM)orangefan Wrote:  Assuming Bama v Florida St. in the NCG, the order of picks will be:

1) Sugar (to replace Bama)
2) Orange (to replace FSU)
3) Orange
4) Sugar
5) Fiesta

This would likely leave the rest of the BCS lineup as:

Rose: Ohio St. (B1G) v. Oregon (P12)
Sugar: Clemson (1) v. UCF (AAC/4)
Orange: Auburn/Missouri (2) v. Oklahoma St./Michigan St./Stanford (3)
Fiesta: Baylor (B12) v. Fresno St./NIU (Non-AQ/5)

At the start of the BCS era this would have been possible, but they added a rule years ago that if a bowl loses its conference champ to the national championship game, it gets first dips at the 2nd team from that conference. Granted, both Sugar and Orange could say they were OK with this, but I think the Sugar wants SEC and Orange would want Clemson.

Given the ACC's relationship with the Orange, it's difficult to see them not taking Clemson, but I would expect the Rose and the Sugar to be loyal to their conferences as well. However, if Michigan State upsets Ohio State and anyone upsets Alabama, I can see the Orange matching Bama and Ohio State. No that can't work or can it?

NC - 1. FSU/Baylor 2.
Rose - Oregon/Michigan State
Orange - Ohio State - Alabama
Sugar - Auburn/Mizzou - UCF
Fiesta - Ok State - Illinois State

Yeah, a one loss Bama and Ohio State team screws Clemson I think.

(11-19-2013 02:22 PM)orangefan Wrote:  Assuming Bama v Florida St. in the NCG, the order of picks will be:

1) Sugar (to replace Bama)
2) Orange (to replace FSU)
3) Orange
4) Sugar
5) Fiesta

This would likely leave the rest of the BCS lineup as:

Rose: Ohio St. (B1G) v. Oregon (P12)
Sugar: Clemson (1) v. UCF (AAC/4)
Orange: Auburn/Missouri (2) v. Oklahoma St./Michigan St./Stanford (3)
Fiesta: Baylor (B12) v. Fresno St./NIU (Non-AQ/5)

If you think the Sugar would take Clemson (or any ACC team, ever) over any SEC team, you are smoking some serious sh*t. The ACC is the laughingstock of the BCS era.

And what makes you think any BCS bowl is going to want Clemson after they lost to South Carolina?

(11-19-2013 07:46 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-19-2013 02:22 PM)orangefan Wrote:  Assuming Bama v Florida St. in the NCG, the order of picks will be:

1) Sugar (to replace Bama)
2) Orange (to replace FSU)
3) Orange
4) Sugar
5) Fiesta

This would likely leave the rest of the BCS lineup as:

Rose: Ohio St. (B1G) v. Oregon (P12)
Sugar: Clemson (1) v. UCF (AAC/4)
Orange: Auburn/Missouri (2) v. Oklahoma St./Michigan St./Stanford (3)
Fiesta: Baylor (B12) v. Fresno St./NIU (Non-AQ/5)

If you think the Sugar would take Clemson (or any ACC team, ever) over any SEC team, you are smoking some serious sh*t. The ACC is the laughingstock of the BCS era.

And what makes you think any BCS bowl is going to want Clemson after they lost to South Carolina?

Clemson has one of the best traveling fan bases in the country. Besides, a 10-2 Clemson team is still very attractive. Who would the OB take in front of them? 2 loss Mich State? 2 loss Stanford? UFC? Please.

(11-19-2013 07:46 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-19-2013 02:22 PM)orangefan Wrote:  Assuming Bama v Florida St. in the NCG, the order of picks will be:

1) Sugar (to replace Bama)
2) Orange (to replace FSU)
3) Orange
4) Sugar
5) Fiesta

This would likely leave the rest of the BCS lineup as:

Rose: Ohio St. (B1G) v. Oregon (P12)
Sugar: Clemson (1) v. UCF (AAC/4)
Orange: Auburn/Missouri (2) v. Oklahoma St./Michigan St./Stanford (3)
Fiesta: Baylor (B12) v. Fresno St./NIU (Non-AQ/5)

If you think the Sugar would take Clemson (or any ACC team, ever) over any SEC team, you are smoking some serious sh*t. The ACC is the laughingstock of the BCS era.

And what makes you think any BCS bowl is going to want Clemson after they lost to South Carolina?

who says Clemson will lose to south Carolina?

(11-19-2013 01:42 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  In the 15 year history of the BCS, every single bowl selection has been 100% for its self-interest without regard to the other bowls. Bowl organizers aren't paid to help out other bowls - they're getting paid to sell the most tickets to their own bowl. The Sugar Bowl is more than happy to let the Orange Bowl die on the vine if it means that a few more upper level seats are sold in New Orleans. The only way an SEC team doesn't go to the Sugar Bowl is we have a 2011 situation with 2 SEC teams in the national championship game.

Well, there was 2009, the one year that the 2010 Fiesta bowl took TCU vs. Boise State so that 2 BCS bowls wouldn't have an AQ vs. non-AQ match up.

(11-19-2013 10:34 PM)Chris02M Wrote:  

(11-19-2013 07:46 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-19-2013 02:22 PM)orangefan Wrote:  Assuming Bama v Florida St. in the NCG, the order of picks will be:

1) Sugar (to replace Bama)
2) Orange (to replace FSU)
3) Orange
4) Sugar
5) Fiesta

This would likely leave the rest of the BCS lineup as:

Rose: Ohio St. (B1G) v. Oregon (P12)
Sugar: Clemson (1) v. UCF (AAC/4)
Orange: Auburn/Missouri (2) v. Oklahoma St./Michigan St./Stanford (3)
Fiesta: Baylor (B12) v. Fresno St./NIU (Non-AQ/5)

If you think the Sugar would take Clemson (or any ACC team, ever) over any SEC team, you are smoking some serious sh*t. The ACC is the laughingstock of the BCS era.

And what makes you think any BCS bowl is going to want Clemson after they lost to South Carolina?

who says Clemson will lose to south Carolina?

Its science

(11-20-2013 06:29 AM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(11-19-2013 01:42 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  In the 15 year history of the BCS, every single bowl selection has been 100% for its self-interest without regard to the other bowls. Bowl organizers aren't paid to help out other bowls - they're getting paid to sell the most tickets to their own bowl. The Sugar Bowl is more than happy to let the Orange Bowl die on the vine if it means that a few more upper level seats are sold in New Orleans. The only way an SEC team doesn't go to the Sugar Bowl is we have a 2011 situation with 2 SEC teams in the national championship game.

Well, there was 2009, the one year that the 2010 Fiesta bowl took TCU vs. Boise State so that 2 BCS bowls wouldn't have an AQ vs. non-AQ match up.

actually they did that because the alternatives weren't all that great- Fiesta got TCU and Boise and they actually had a very solid tv rating. Best case for them would have been like a Iowa/TCU game- which wouldn't have been all that attractive. They didn't do that just to not have 2 AQ vs non-AQ games.

(11-19-2013 10:28 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(11-19-2013 07:46 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-19-2013 02:22 PM)orangefan Wrote:  Assuming Bama v Florida St. in the NCG, the order of picks will be:

1) Sugar (to replace Bama)
2) Orange (to replace FSU)
3) Orange
4) Sugar
5) Fiesta

This would likely leave the rest of the BCS lineup as:

Rose: Ohio St. (B1G) v. Oregon (P12)
Sugar: Clemson (1) v. UCF (AAC/4)
Orange: Auburn/Missouri (2) v. Oklahoma St./Michigan St./Stanford (3)
Fiesta: Baylor (B12) v. Fresno St./NIU (Non-AQ/5)

If you think the Sugar would take Clemson (or any ACC team, ever) over any SEC team, you are smoking some serious sh*t. The ACC is the laughingstock of the BCS era.

And what makes you think any BCS bowl is going to want Clemson after they lost to South Carolina?

Clemson has one of the best traveling fan bases in the country. Besides, a 10-2 Clemson team is still very attractive. Who would the OB take in front of them? 2 loss Mich State? 2 loss Stanford? UFC? Please.

Well maybe MSU (bowls love B1G teams) and yes to Stanford as well.

We agree that Clemson is in for sure if they win out. But a loss would be to South Carolina, and coming this late in the season that would be devastating. Clemson would be "cold product", and are Clemson fans really going to want to travel to the OB after what happened two years ago, and coming off a loss to their big rival? MSU would have to be coming off a loss as well in the B1G title game, but their fans would probably be more enthused about an Orange bid, if they were eligible.