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RE: USC should avoid making a Bill Stewart mistake
If you are in AAC, you keep the FSU game. Don't think you win that at all. 2-2 OOC. Losses to UCF and Louisville are likely. That's 8-4 at the best I think. If QB play still wasn't good- could have seen losing at least to one of Cincy/Rutgers.
11-19-2013 11:56 AM
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RE: USC should avoid making a Bill Stewart mistake
(11-19-2013 11:56 AM)stever20 Wrote:  If you are in AAC, you keep the FSU game. Don't think you win that at all. 2-2 OOC. Losses to UCF and Louisville are likely. That's 8-4 at the best I think. If QB play still wasn't good- could have seen losing at least to one of Cincy/Rutgers.

I'm not really disagreeing with you other than I think we would have won one of the Ville or UCF games. I mean if we can can compete and even beat upper tier Big 12 teams I don't think its fair to say we would likely lose to UCF and Ville. We might lose both but I wouldn't say it was likely. Okie State > UL. FSU game wouldn't be pretty. Baylor like even.
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RE: USC should avoid making a Bill Stewart mistake
(11-18-2013 08:11 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  
(11-18-2013 08:02 PM)bigblueblindness Wrote:  
(11-18-2013 07:52 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  They should keep Orgeron. How exactly can he go wrong? Recruiting at USC is a breeze. The problem is getting all the Blue Chips to get along and mesh well together as a team. He seems to have shown he can do that quite well. What other Head Coach out there can claim to have played a role in a Hollywood Blockbuster movie while playing themselves in it? Ed Orgeron can and this is Southern California we are talking about. USC is the dandy of Hollywood.

Orgeron took his lumps at Ole Miss, as well. He is not naive about what it takes. Besides, who in SoCal wouldn't love more commercials like this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HX7wzhMvbzo

Yeah, he has come a long ways since then. I just don't get how some folks cant understand how someone can actually grow and become stronger from their failings in life.

Extreme Success often only follows Extreme Failure.

No is saying that, just that hiring at placing like USC aren't strictly objective based. As already mentioned, they did hire Lane Kiffin for reason only known to the previous AD. You have multiple factions with various interests that extend far beyond the wins and losses on the field.
11-19-2013 01:08 PM
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RE: USC should avoid making a Bill Stewart mistake
(11-19-2013 11:24 AM)OldGoldnBlue Wrote:  
(11-19-2013 11:16 AM)stever20 Wrote:  If they were in the AAC this year- 3-1 OOC(assuming a cupcake for that 4th game- though, actually could have been FSU- so maybe 2-2)- 6-2 in conference play- 9-3 or 8-4 sounds reasonable. I don't think WVU beats Louisville or UCF. The question would have been the games with Rutgers and Cincy.

We took Oklahoma and Texas to the limit and beat a top 10 Okie State. I think its fair to say we would have had a good shot to at least go .500 against UCF and Ville with one of those games being played at a hostile Mountaineer Field.

uh... you also barely beat William & Mary, and lost 37-0 against Maryland... and lost 31-19 to one of the worst teams around in Kansas.

In AAC, you lose to Louisville, UCF, Cincy, and Houston. SMU toss-up. Likely beat Rutgers, USF, Memphis. Kill UConn, Temple. 7-5 or so.
11-20-2013 06:34 PM
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RE: USC should avoid making a Bill Stewart mistake
(11-20-2013 06:34 PM)rutgers4life Wrote:  
(11-19-2013 11:24 AM)OldGoldnBlue Wrote:  
(11-19-2013 11:16 AM)stever20 Wrote:  If they were in the AAC this year- 3-1 OOC(assuming a cupcake for that 4th game- though, actually could have been FSU- so maybe 2-2)- 6-2 in conference play- 9-3 or 8-4 sounds reasonable. I don't think WVU beats Louisville or UCF. The question would have been the games with Rutgers and Cincy.

We took Oklahoma and Texas to the limit and beat a top 10 Okie State. I think its fair to say we would have had a good shot to at least go .500 against UCF and Ville with one of those games being played at a hostile Mountaineer Field.

uh... you also barely beat William & Mary, and lost 37-0 against Maryland... and lost 31-19 to one of the worst teams around in Kansas.

In AAC, you lose to Louisville, UCF, Cincy, and Houston. SMU toss-up. Likely beat Rutgers, USF, Memphis. Kill UConn, Temple. 7-5 or so.

I don't know if I'd agree that Cincy and Houston would be auto-losses. You also would have to remember it'd come down to who WV missed. Odds would have been high that WV would miss at least 1 of UCF, Houston, SMU.
11-20-2013 06:52 PM
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RE: USC should avoid making a Bill Stewart mistake
(11-19-2013 01:08 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  
(11-18-2013 08:11 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  
(11-18-2013 08:02 PM)bigblueblindness Wrote:  
(11-18-2013 07:52 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  They should keep Orgeron. How exactly can he go wrong? Recruiting at USC is a breeze. The problem is getting all the Blue Chips to get along and mesh well together as a team. He seems to have shown he can do that quite well. What other Head Coach out there can claim to have played a role in a Hollywood Blockbuster movie while playing themselves in it? Ed Orgeron can and this is Southern California we are talking about. USC is the dandy of Hollywood.

Orgeron took his lumps at Ole Miss, as well. He is not naive about what it takes. Besides, who in SoCal wouldn't love more commercials like this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HX7wzhMvbzo

Yeah, he has come a long ways since then. I just don't get how some folks cant understand how someone can actually grow and become stronger from their failings in life.

Extreme Success often only follows Extreme Failure.

No is saying that, just that hiring at placing like USC aren't strictly objective based. As already mentioned, they did hire Lane Kiffin for reason only known to the previous AD. You have multiple factions with various interests that extend far beyond the wins and losses on the field.

It's fairly obvious why they hired him. He had ties to the Carroll era and would take the job. I would imagine that USC wanted Sarkisian, but he wouldn't take the job.
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