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dont sleep on uconn, they will be back my friends mark my words. the state an school are committed to having a winning fb tradition. no other school in the history of college sports, moved up a div with so much success so fast........

i visited uconn the school has students from all over the country and is like a city. downtown storrs is almost complete, its like a big shopping mall, bars, food, supermarkets etc. we thrive on proving thye so called experts wrong03-banghead
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(11-18-2013 10:00 AM)HPbull24 Wrote:  I never said that WV wanted back in the Big East/AAC, I was just relaying some of the feelings that fans had on a sports forum about WV's season and the travel that they as fans had to endure as well as the players.

Regardless of what WV as a University decided to do, the players are the ones that have to miss class and travel halfway across the country to compete. So yeah WV may be cashing big checks but that doesn't make it any eaiser on the fans and athletes.

You have a job making 40 grand a year and the CEO from another company tells you he will pay you 58 grand a year ( 2 mil -20 mil= 18 mil difference 40+18= 58 grand) but you have to travel 4hrs a day to and from work and remember WV can't up and move their university to B12 land and you can't up and move your wife and kids who attend school and work where your 40 grand a year job is located. That 58 grand may look good on paper but how long will you last making that 8hr round trip every day to work? There is a saying that "All money aint good money" and this very well may fall in that category for WV...[/u]

The additional travel expenses isn't a drop in the bucket compared to the $20M+ per year payout. They couldn't care less about the students as long as the bottom line remains.
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(11-18-2013 10:00 AM)HPbull24 Wrote:  I never said that WV wanted back in the Big East/AAC, I was just relaying some of the feelings that fans had on a sports forum about WV's season and the travel that they as fans had to endure as well as the players.

Regardless of what WV as a University decided to do, the players are the ones that have to miss class and travel halfway across the country to compete. So yeah WV may be cashing big checks but that doesn't make it any eaiser on the fans and athletes.

You have a job making 40 grand a year and the CEO from another company tells you he will pay you 58 grand a year ( 2 mil -20 mil= 18 mil difference 40+18= 58 grand) but you have to travel 4hrs a day to and from work and remember WV can't up and move their university to B12 land and you can't up and move your wife and kids who attend school and work where your 40 grand a year job is located. That 58 grand may look good on paper but how long will you last making that 8hr round trip every day to work? There is a saying that "All money aint good money" and this very well may fall in that category for WV...

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maybe they move to the acc when fla state leaves for the b1g.
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In hindsight, I believe that the Big 12 taking TCU was a long term error. Before fans of the Horned Frogs get upset, it is just opinion and primarily due to no need to continue having four teams from the Lone Star State.

I think they would have been better served taking Louisville and West Virginia immediately after Colorado and Nebraska. I doubt that would have kept Texas A&M and Missouri from leaving but who knows. Certainly I believe those were the two to add after the SEC hit them.

TCU was riding high when the Big 12 invited them. But if my memory is correct, a huge asset for TCU was that they could land there immediately in the fall of 2012 without litigation or a giant buyout. I think that was due to perfect and abnormal timing --- they were completing their lame duck period in the MWC and had not officially joined the Big East.

But these decisions are for centuries and centuries, not just for "Who can we get for next year." I also don't know if the second decision (WVU over UofL) was made due to WVU vocal resilience to get out of the Big East ASAP ... I don't recall the Cards publicly going bananas stating that they were done with the Big East in less than one year and far before the 27-month notice.
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From my view in West Virginia, clearly WVU wanted to be in the ACC. But likewise, there is also the feeling that there was/is NO WAY IN HELL the ACC was going to ever extend an invitation to WVU. Whether it is because of WVU's lower academic standard (which, FWIW is in large part because WVU's own mission statement is to educate EVERY student in West Virginia which prohibits them from raising entrance standards too much unlike UNC or Clemson) or because of their fanbase's rowdy nature (there was a big fight out in Hawai'i last night between Mountaineer and Rainbow fans after WVU beat UH in women's basketball... Arguably the two most maligned fan bases in college athletics...), or whether it's because the perception of the State of West Virginia is just poor because we're Appalachian... Whatever the reason, the ACC has passed over WVU on FOUR separate occasions.
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Never gonna happen.

and where in the world did this Kansas to the Big 10 talk come from?
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Big 12 would have to break a part for WVU to come to the AAC.

As mentioned TCU is a great university but I do think the Big12 made a huge mistake by taking them instead of WVU/UL. I do think TCU will build back up but it might be a few years.

I mentioned it before but I do not see any more P5 movement over the life of the GOR's. Next moves will be based on potential of the university in the G5.
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I could see it but I also think it's very doubtful. It kind of just depends how much money the aac is worth and how much the big 12 is without those 4 schools. Wvu would not be happy in a big 12 without these schools and I think there would surely be a lot of issues between them and other schools about the whole east west adds. My prediction add wvu isu and niu while the big 12 takes uh smu tulane and tulsa from the aac and col state and New Mexico from the mw
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(11-17-2013 07:07 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  WVA isn't coming back…you don't trade 20mil for 2 mil no matter how bad your program blows.

Yep. With 20 mil, they can afford to 05-stirthepot fly the parents to Norman, Stillwater, Lubbock, .............................
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(11-18-2013 10:11 AM)Stookey57 Wrote:  dont sleep on uconn, they will be back my friends mark my words. the state an school are committed to having a winning fb tradition. no other school in the history of college sports, moved up a div with so much success so fast........

i visited uconn the school has students from all over the country and is like a city. downtown storrs is almost complete, its like a big shopping mall, bars, food, supermarkets etc. we thrive on proving thye so called experts wrong03-banghead

better get a coach who's a damn good recruiter. Edsell had the program on the right track until he left, Coach P was a great recruiter and coach years ago but that expirement didnt work out. i want uconn to succeed but i just dont think football wise they offer a P5 very much. If they did, they would be in the ACC right now.
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(11-17-2013 07:16 PM)Kronke Wrote:  I wonder what TCU fans think.

All those top 5-10 teams, all that BCS bowl glory, and now they are utterly irrelevant in the basement of the Big 12, and won't even see any bowl this year, much less the BCS. Sure, they got paid, but ultimately, what does that matter? They already had plenty of money.

The TCU move for the B12 never made sense to me. Louisville, Cincinnati even Memphis were all better options. They already had Texas locked up.
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(11-18-2013 11:31 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  
(11-17-2013 07:16 PM)Kronke Wrote:  I wonder what TCU fans think.

All those top 5-10 teams, all that BCS bowl glory, and now they are utterly irrelevant in the basement of the Big 12, and won't even see any bowl this year, much less the BCS. Sure, they got paid, but ultimately, what does that matter? They already had plenty of money.

The TCU move for the B12 never made sense to me. Louisville, Cincinnati even Memphis were all better options. They already had Texas locked up.

Several thoughts...

1) TCU was added because, in no small part, THEY WERE IMMEADATELY AVAILABLE. They were unattached to a conference, having already severed ties with the MW but not yet having played in the BE. Had the BE decided to assert themselves, who knows what would have happened. But the BE chose NOT to assert themselves, instead opting for the "amicable" option in which TCU would be granted immediate release but paying the whole $5 MM exit fee. (Of course, TCU then reneged on that promise and it had to go to court before TCU again settled for paying the $5MM fee...Which I am not entirely sure they ever paid...) But the main point is that TCU could make the move relatively quickly and easily... IT MADE SENSE.

2) TCU was also an established "top performing" program with one of the best coaches in the country (in Gary Patterson). At the time, TCU undoubtedly brought credit to Big XII football which had just suffered the loss of TAMU, Mizzou, and Nebraska, which are BIG name programs. The Big XII is ALL ABOUT football pedigree and TCU brought with them an impressive pedigree that UC does not.

3) It is pretty well established fact that the Big XII thought that Louisville would be available...at a later point. It is fairly clear that the B12's calculation was to add WVU immediately and Louisville a little later to stabilize the conference AFTER the ACC situation was clarified. Had the ACC imploded, the B12 probably would have added Florida State, Clemson, and either Miami or Georgia Tech, along with Louisville to get to 14. BUT that's NOT what happened, and the ACC shocked everyone by staying together AND adding Louisville. Was it short-sighted of the B12? Maybe. But it was at least a calculated decision.

4) Will the B12 add additional teams? PROBBABLY NOT IN THE SHORT TERM. The one program that would appeal to the B12's sensibilities is BYU. That's it. It is clear that UC does not. UC lacks the FB pedigree and fan-market to appeal to the B12. UC does not "fit" the traditional B12 model of a university in a "university town/city" like the rest of the B12. Likewise, Memphis does not. The ONLY AAC school that "fits" the B12 template is...wait for it... ECU.

The B12 will ONLY add teams when it is either forced to or it makes sense for them to. That ***might*** happen in the next 4-6 years when the CFP gets established and conferences with a CCG begin to leap-frog the B12 because of that extra game. Then, and only then, will the B12 begin to look outside their values of "football pedigree" and "template" to add UC or Memphis...and likely then ONLY with BYU.

That's life people...
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The big 12 will be going for byu and mw teams no question. It will be byu and Colorado state if byu stays indi I would say boise maybe New Mexico. Wvu is the only school that wants to add eastern schools. No AAC teams are going anywhere anytime soon unless Texas and co leave the big 12.
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Ah, buyer's remorse! How long before WVU, Syracuse, Pitt and TCU regret selling out.

Yes, $20M is alot better than the $2M the AAC is paying, but the money will get better as the teams improve and how long before the fans start deserting the teams due to year after year of failure? So all they become is the next Iowa State?

I'm sure they all thought they'd be contenders in their new conferences but, honestly how long will fans wait?
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What's remarkable is how 95% of the ACC is receiving huge money for doing absolutely nothing. The conference is FSU, to a degree Clemson, and a bunch of either average of bad football teams.
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(11-18-2013 12:52 PM)The Knight Time Wrote:  What's remarkable is how 95% of the ACC is receiving huge money for doing absolutely nothing. The conference is FSU, to a degree Clemson, and a bunch of either average of bad football teams.

And arguably the best basketball conference now by a landslide.
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(11-18-2013 12:30 PM)DBpirate Wrote:  The big 12 will be going for byu and mw teams no question. It will be byu and Colorado state if byu stays indi I would say boise maybe New Mexico. Wvu is the only school that wants to add eastern schools. No AAC teams are going anywhere anytime soon unless Texas and co leave the big 12.

I disagree completely. The MW teams don't offer or fit the B12 anymore than AAC teams do.

BYU is likely #1 for the B12 expansion...IF (huge IF) terms can ever be reached to accommodate BYU's requirements of observance of the Sabbath and $$$.

But beyond that, I don't think MW teams offer any more...and in most cases substantially LESS...than many of the AAC teams.
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I understand the issues with byu. I'm not referring to all the mw teams just a select few. Col state is building a brand new 40000 seat stadium and would finally bring the big 12 a replacement for Colorado. New Mexico is right next door to Texas. No schools they add will really bring any serious money it's about getting a champ game for the conference without adding any more travel for the Texas/ok schools
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Yes. We need another old big east team to soften the schedule
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(11-18-2013 11:56 AM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  
(11-18-2013 11:31 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  
(11-17-2013 07:16 PM)Kronke Wrote:  I wonder what TCU fans think.

All those top 5-10 teams, all that BCS bowl glory, and now they are utterly irrelevant in the basement of the Big 12, and won't even see any bowl this year, much less the BCS. Sure, they got paid, but ultimately, what does that matter? They already had plenty of money.

The TCU move for the B12 never made sense to me. Louisville, Cincinnati even Memphis were all better options. They already had Texas locked up.

Several thoughts...

1) TCU was added because, in no small part, THEY WERE IMMEADATELY AVAILABLE. They were unattached to a conference, having already severed ties with the MW but not yet having played in the BE. Had the BE decided to assert themselves, who knows what would have happened. But the BE chose NOT to assert themselves, instead opting for the "amicable" option in which TCU would be granted immediate release but paying the whole $5 MM exit fee. (Of course, TCU then reneged on that promise and it had to go to court before TCU again settled for paying the $5MM fee...Which I am not entirely sure they ever paid...) But the main point is that TCU could make the move relatively quickly and easily... IT MADE SENSE.

2) TCU was also an established "top performing" program with one of the best coaches in the country (in Gary Patterson). At the time, TCU undoubtedly brought credit to Big XII football which had just suffered the loss of TAMU, Mizzou, and Nebraska, which are BIG name programs. The Big XII is ALL ABOUT football pedigree and TCU brought with them an impressive pedigree that UC does not.

3) It is pretty well established fact that the Big XII thought that Louisville would be available...at a later point. It is fairly clear that the B12's calculation was to add WVU immediately and Louisville a little later to stabilize the conference AFTER the ACC situation was clarified. Had the ACC imploded, the B12 probably would have added Florida State, Clemson, and either Miami or Georgia Tech, along with Louisville to get to 14. BUT that's NOT what happened, and the ACC shocked everyone by staying together AND adding Louisville. Was it short-sighted of the B12? Maybe. But it was at least a calculated decision.

4) Will the B12 add additional teams? PROBBABLY NOT IN THE SHORT TERM. The one program that would appeal to the B12's sensibilities is BYU. That's it. It is clear that UC does not. UC lacks the FB pedigree and fan-market to appeal to the B12. UC does not "fit" the traditional B12 model of a university in a "university town/city" like the rest of the B12. Likewise, Memphis does not. The ONLY AAC school that "fits" the B12 template is...wait for it... ECU.

The B12 will ONLY add teams when it is either forced to or it makes sense for them to. That ***might*** happen in the next 4-6 years when the CFP gets established and conferences with a CCG begin to leap-frog the B12 because of that extra game. Then, and only then, will the B12 begin to look outside their values of "football pedigree" and "template" to add UC or Memphis...and likely then ONLY with BYU.

That's life people...

Nice analysis. It made for a hood read. Thanks for posting it. 04-cheers
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