(11-17-2013 12:00 PM)CPslograd Wrote:  

(11-17-2013 11:17 AM)Wedge Wrote:  

(11-17-2013 09:03 AM)DexterDevil Wrote:  Only way MSU makes a BCS bowl is if they beat O$U and go to the Rose Bowl, we aren't winning over the polls enough to make it to a big bowl without that win.

You're right, the big obstacle to MSU or Wisconsin getting into a BCS game is getting into the final top 14.

If none of the undefeated teams lose, there are three at-large spots. Presumably, two of them go to an SEC "replacement" for Alabama in the Sugar and Clemson as an ACC "replacement" for FSU in the Orange. The last at-large (probably also in the Orange) would then be between Stanford (if they win out) and, if either is in the top 14, MSU or the OU-Ok St winner.

Yep, that's what I think it probably comes down to as well. Although Stever might be right about Wisconsin sneaking in there if they don't lose again. (Palm has Wisconsin making it)

And I still think it is very possible Ok St beats Baylor, which would shake things up. I also think if UCLA gets to the CCG they might beat Oregon.

Wisconsin -- the poll voters would have to do them a lot of favors, moving Wisky ahead of teams that don't lose, just to try and manipulate the Badgers into the BCS top 14. It might happen. Just this week, the coaches moved them ahead of three teams that didn't lose.

If Baylor loses once I think they still get a BCS at-large, especially if Wisconsin doesn't make the final top 14. If Wisconsin is eligible, they're the money-making choice because they'd sell a helluva lot more Orange Bowl tickets than Baylor, so it becomes a tough call for the OB.

OB would take Oklahoma over Baylor quite frankly. ticket sales make it not a tough call for the OB.

Is Clemson still a lock for the Orange if they lose to South Carolina?

(11-17-2013 12:43 PM)CPslograd Wrote:  Is Clemson still a lock for the Orange if they lose to South Carolina?

Probably. They'd still be top 14.

wow the gap with Ohio St/Baylor is .001

3 harris voters and 1 coaches voter is the margin right now. Or 1 cpu spot. It's that close.

(11-17-2013 12:43 PM)CPslograd Wrote:  Is Clemson still a lock for the Orange if they lose to South Carolina?

Yes - at worst they finish 10-2 with losses to no 2 FSU and a near top 10 or top 10 SC.

Here's what I got, based on this week's BCS:

NCG: #1 Alabama vs #2 FSU
Rose: #3 Ohio State vs #5 Oregon
Orange: #7 Clemson vs #9 Stanford/#10 Oklahoma State/#13 Michigan State
Sugar: #6 Auburn vs #18 UCF
Fiesta: #4 Baylor vs #15 Fresno State

I suppose you could switch the at-large triumverate choice from the Orange to the Sugar and put UCF in the Orange, but I think the OB would rather snub the American and UCF and take a P5 team, even one that won't sell very many tickets in Miami.

(11-17-2013 09:39 PM)CommuterBob Wrote:  Here's what I got, based on this week's BCS:

NCG: #1 Alabama vs #2 FSU
Rose: #3 Ohio State vs #5 Oregon
Orange: #7 Clemson vs #9 Stanford/#10 Oklahoma State/#13 Michigan State
Sugar: #6 Auburn vs #18 UCF
Fiesta: #4 Baylor vs #15 Fresno State

I suppose you could switch the at-large triumverate choice from the Orange to the Sugar and put UCF in the Orange, but I think the OB would rather snub the American and UCF and take a P5 team, even one that won't sell very many tickets in Miami.

The Orange Bowl is not going to take a team that does not travel.
A P12 team is probably out of the question.

(11-17-2013 10:10 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(11-17-2013 09:39 PM)CommuterBob Wrote:  Here's what I got, based on this week's BCS:

NCG: #1 Alabama vs #2 FSU
Rose: #3 Ohio State vs #5 Oregon
Orange: #7 Clemson vs #9 Stanford/#10 Oklahoma State/#13 Michigan State
Sugar: #6 Auburn vs #18 UCF
Fiesta: #4 Baylor vs #15 Fresno State

I suppose you could switch the at-large triumverate choice from the Orange to the Sugar and put UCF in the Orange, but I think the OB would rather snub the American and UCF and take a P5 team, even one that won't sell very many tickets in Miami.

The Orange Bowl is not going to take a team that does not travel.
A P12 team is probably out of the question.

They might not have a choice though. If Wisconsin, Michigan State, and Okie State don't finish in the top 14. Which is possible, although the odds are at least one of those teams do.

(11-17-2013 10:35 PM)CPslograd Wrote:  

(11-17-2013 10:10 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(11-17-2013 09:39 PM)CommuterBob Wrote:  Here's what I got, based on this week's BCS:

NCG: #1 Alabama vs #2 FSU
Rose: #3 Ohio State vs #5 Oregon
Orange: #7 Clemson vs #9 Stanford/#10 Oklahoma State/#13 Michigan State
Sugar: #6 Auburn vs #18 UCF
Fiesta: #4 Baylor vs #15 Fresno State

I suppose you could switch the at-large triumverate choice from the Orange to the Sugar and put UCF in the Orange, but I think the OB would rather snub the American and UCF and take a P5 team, even one that won't sell very many tickets in Miami.

The Orange Bowl is not going to take a team that does not travel.
A P12 team is probably out of the question.

They might not have a choice though. If Wisconsin, Michigan State, and Okie State don't finish in the top 14. Which is possible, although the odds are at least one of those teams do.

I actually think if all of those don't, they would actually look at UCF before they looked at Stanford. Stanford a few years ago at the Orange was pretty much a disaster

The best thing for the OB would be for Mich St to beat OSU in the B1G title game. OB would take OSU in a heartbeat.

(11-17-2013 11:10 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  The best thing for the OB would be for Mich St to beat OSU in the B1G title game. OB would take OSU in a heartbeat.

that's 2nd best. best thing would be have Bama lose in the SECCG and get them to play Clemson.

(11-17-2013 11:13 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(11-17-2013 11:10 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  The best thing for the OB would be for Mich St to beat OSU in the B1G title game. OB would take OSU in a heartbeat.

that's 2nd best. best thing would be have Bama lose in the SECCG and get them to play Clemson.

True. But let's say both happened. Does the OB take both Bama and OSU?

(11-17-2013 11:16 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(11-17-2013 11:13 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(11-17-2013 11:10 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  The best thing for the OB would be for Mich St to beat OSU in the B1G title game. OB would take OSU in a heartbeat.

that's 2nd best. best thing would be have Bama lose in the SECCG and get them to play Clemson.

True. But let's say both happened. Does the OB take both Bama and OSU?

no, they take Clemson/Alabama and smile all the way to the bank.

(11-17-2013 09:27 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(11-17-2013 12:43 PM)CPslograd Wrote:  Is Clemson still a lock for the Orange if they lose to South Carolina?

Yes - at worst they finish 10-2 with losses to no 2 FSU and a near top 10 or top 10 SC.

The BCS really sucks.

South Carolina could go 10-2 in the best conference in the country three seasons in a row and never make a BCS game.

To beat your rival and still watch them get picked over you would be truly painful

(11-17-2013 11:35 PM)Gamecock Wrote:  

(11-17-2013 09:27 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(11-17-2013 12:43 PM)CPslograd Wrote:  Is Clemson still a lock for the Orange if they lose to South Carolina?

Yes - at worst they finish 10-2 with losses to no 2 FSU and a near top 10 or top 10 SC.

The BCS really sucks.

South Carolina could go 10-2 in the best conference in the country three seasons in a row and never make a BCS game.

To beat your rival and still watch them get picked over you would be truly painful

That's not the BCS's fault. Almost everyone outside of Bama will have 2 losses. So why wouldn't SC get picked over Auburn or A&M......popularity.....

(11-17-2013 11:43 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(11-17-2013 11:35 PM)Gamecock Wrote:  

(11-17-2013 09:27 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(11-17-2013 12:43 PM)CPslograd Wrote:  Is Clemson still a lock for the Orange if they lose to South Carolina?

Yes - at worst they finish 10-2 with losses to no 2 FSU and a near top 10 or top 10 SC.

The BCS really sucks.

South Carolina could go 10-2 in the best conference in the country three seasons in a row and never make a BCS game.

To beat your rival and still watch them get picked over you would be truly painful

That's not the BCS's fault. Almost everyone outside of Bama will have 2 losses. So why wouldn't SC get picked over Auburn or A&M......popularity.....

The BCS sucks. The new system will be much better because the bowls will be allowed to take the best teams rather than being strong armed into taking lesser teams.

Like I said, 10-2 and in the top ten the past three years and yet we could be watching a Clemson team we just beat and a UCF team we beat on the road both go to BCS games because the SEC can only have two spots

Luckily we'll have an opportunity to win the conference outright this year.

To reiterate, the BCS blows and I think everyone knows it. South Carolina's situation is hardly unique.

(11-18-2013 12:20 AM)Gamecock Wrote:  To reiterate, the BCS blows and I think everyone knows it. South Carolina's situation is hardly unique.

No one is holding South Carolina at gun point and forcing them to be in the SEC so stop complaining. No offense intended but if SC was in another conference they may actually make BCS bowls.

It's this foolish train of thought that has ruining college football. Every strong team thinks they need to be in the same conference vs just spreading out into different conferences and having a real playoff.

(11-18-2013 01:30 AM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  

(11-18-2013 12:20 AM)Gamecock Wrote:  To reiterate, the BCS blows and I think everyone knows it. South Carolina's situation is hardly unique.

No one is holding South Carolina at gun point and forcing them to be in the SEC so stop complaining. No offense intended but if SC was in another conference they may actually make BCS bowls.

It's this foolish train of thought that has ruining college football. Every strong team thinks they need to be in the same conference vs just spreading out into different conferences and having a real playoff.

Loaded conferences are great for fans and for competitiveness. What is needed is definitely not diluted competition.

A larger playoff with no autobids would mean that if you're one of the best teams, you can be in the playoffs even if you're in an elite league where it's not so easy to be 12-0.