(11-18-2013 03:29 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(11-18-2013 03:05 PM)bearcatfan1211 Wrote:  

(11-18-2013 12:19 AM)SoulsAstray Wrote:  

(11-17-2013 11:29 PM)BigOwensboroCard Wrote:  North Division:
West Virginia, Cincinnati, Memphis, UCF, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State

South Division:
Texas, Oklahoma, OSU, TT, TCU, Baylor, BYU

Not pretty but effective enough that it doesn't rock the boat for Texas and Oklahoma.

North division would get smoked every year. lol.

Will that combination of teams put the big12 over the SEC/Pac12(two conferences with the most power)? yes or no

there's no point adding teams if it's not going to put them ahead.

And your version of the North (or heroes I think you called it wouldn't?

It's so funny to sit back and watch every fan's idea for the next move. It's always the same agenda of getting their favorite school into a P5 conference, and then try to spin things so it somewhat makes sense.

Let's have a look:

BYU will be decent from the start, but probably won't win any championships in the first 10 years

So would UCF, Cincy, etc.

Fresno state will be the new Baylor. They will have no problems competing with the top teams and could become championship worthy very quickly. Stadium expansion/New Stadium will come shortly after they join the Big.

You clearly haven't watched Baylor play this year as you are selling them way short. Don't know if you know this, but West Virginia was also a very good team in their previous conference and found the transition to be fairly difficult. No problems competing? C'mon man think first.

SDSU will be another texas tech. Top 25 team, but never a power.
They could become a power after they build an on-campus stadium tho. Using Jack Murphy Stadium is holding them back.

How did you jump to this conclusion? and I didn't realize that building a stadium immediately upgraded your team. Please explain this logic to me. And don't spout some nonsense about stadiums help recruiting and blah, blah, blah because a new stadium and better recruiting don't always go hand in hand. Fresno plays in their current stadium or play in the 49er's stadium this weekend it doesn't really matter, it's still the same team trotting out there.

Big 14 Network will be done 100% online. more people have cable internet than cable tv nowadays, and dealing with the tv providers brings more headaches than its worth.

No clue what will happen to the FoxSports contract, but it will probably get reworked

the conference members all agreed to sign the current TV contract. They don't have the power to decide "hey let's do something else and just rework our contract--I'm sure Fox won't care at all."

Why 14 teams? you need to match the SEC in the # of teams for fairly obvious reasons

Fairly obvious reasons? They won't expand just for numbers sake because they want to be like the SEC. Adding schools like SDSU/Fresno and so on isn't the same as the SEC adding Texas A&M and Missouri. so please let me know these reasons why the Big 12, who is a completely different conference with their own agenda and plans for the future, has to be just like the SEC in terms of numbers...



I'm a UC fan and of course I want my school to get a P5 invite as well, but I'm also realistic and can see things objectively. You can take all of your points you made and replace your schools with UC, UCF, and Memphis and still make the same exact points. You haven't done anything that would set your chosen set of schools apart from the next guy's choices. The only logical thought at this point is that the Big 12 has already expanded east so they are likely to do so in the future (if they decide to expand at all) whatever those schools may be. The rest is just spinning things your way to make yourself feel better about your situation.

You missed the part where he said being the #5 or #6 team in California is better than being the #2 team in Ohio.

California isn't like most other states
It has large populations that are very fragmented.

People from the central valley don't have much to do with the coast, vice versa.
People from san diego don't have much to do with LA, vice versa.

Fresno state has a lot more potential than you guys realize.

10 million will soon be living in the central valley, that's almost the size of ohio.
there are no pro football teams in the central valley.
there are no other division 1 football teams in the central valley!

SMU has to deal with the cowboys/tcu. UC has to deal with the bengals. Fresno state has to deal with no one.

Any cfb fan in the central valley would be interested in fresno state if they were to make it into the big14. potential recruits would grow up wanting to play for the big14.

lol at comparing fresno to WVU
wvu's budget in the big east was much, much larger than fresno's.
give fresno a good sized budget and they would have no problem competing in the big14. what they've been able to do with that small budget is amazing

Anyways, I'm done posting ITT
ciao

Fresno has no recognition outside of Fresno (#55 TV market) and has only one shared MWC championship (2012). After losing TCU, BYU and Utah, you now have a chance every year.

UC (#34 TV market) has won several Big East championships and is in contention for the American conference this year and will be every year they remain there - and, UC basketball has a strong history and is positioned to make the NCAA tourney every year.

However, the fact is UC will never be invited to join the B1G - it would be nice from a geography perspective, but it's not going to happen.

These predictions do not include any single team that Big12 fans would accept in the conference. You may say well, "University Presidents make those decisions." However, they do that after speaking to and gauging interest from their prominent boosters. Those boosters won't support any of the teams proposed in this thread.

(11-20-2013 03:20 PM)mac6115cd Wrote:  Fresno has no recognition outside of Fresno (#55 TV market) and has only one shared MWC championship (2012). After losing TCU, BYU and Utah, you now have a chance every year.

UC (#34 TV market) has won several Big East championships and is in contention for the American conference this year and will be every year they remain there - and, UC basketball has a strong history and is positioned to make the NCAA tourney every year.

However, the fact is UC will never be invited to join the B1G - it would be nice from a geography perspective, but it's not going to happen.

Fresno state's influence is much larger than it's tv market, trust me.
there's also no pro team to contend with.

That’s a big deal at UC, whose on-campus Nippert Stadium holds 35,097. Its last opening-day sellout was in 2001, also against Purdue

that is why UC won't be picked by a big league this decade.

btw, Fresno would have no problem competing with UTAH/BYU had they stayed.

(11-21-2013 12:16 AM)Groo Wrote:  These predictions do not include any single team that Big12 fans would accept in the conference. You may say well, "University Presidents make those decisions." However, they do that after speaking to and gauging interest from their prominent boosters. Those boosters won't support any of the teams proposed in this thread.

It's probably a good thing for Kanas, as each team mentioned would own KU on the football field. Let's just see how the other P-5 conferences feel when the B12 is the only conference without a championship game (one less opportunity for a loss) and is vying for a playoff spot.

(11-21-2013 03:03 AM)SoulsAstray Wrote:  

(11-20-2013 03:20 PM)mac6115cd Wrote:  Fresno has no recognition outside of Fresno (#55 TV market) and has only one shared MWC championship (2012). After losing TCU, BYU and Utah, you now have a chance every year.

UC (#34 TV market) has won several Big East championships and is in contention for the American conference this year and will be every year they remain there - and, UC basketball has a strong history and is positioned to make the NCAA tourney every year.

However, the fact is UC will never be invited to join the B1G - it would be nice from a geography perspective, but it's not going to happen.

Fresno state's influence is much larger than it's tv market, trust me.
there's also no pro team to contend with.

That’s a big deal at UC, whose on-campus Nippert Stadium holds 35,097. Its last opening-day sellout was in 2001, also against Purdue

that is why UC won't be picked by a big league this decade.

btw, Fresno would have no problem competing with UTAH/BYU had they stayed.

Your subjective opinion unsupported by any facts aside. If Fresno would have no problem competing with Utah/BYU why didn't they win any MW championships when they were members?

(11-21-2013 03:03 AM)SoulsAstray Wrote:  

(11-20-2013 03:20 PM)mac6115cd Wrote:  Fresno has no recognition outside of Fresno (#55 TV market) and has only one shared MWC championship (2012). After losing TCU, BYU and Utah, you now have a chance every year.

UC (#34 TV market) has won several Big East championships and is in contention for the American conference this year and will be every year they remain there - and, UC basketball has a strong history and is positioned to make the NCAA tourney every year.

However, the fact is UC will never be invited to join the B1G - it would be nice from a geography perspective, but it's not going to happen.

Fresno state's influence is much larger than it's tv market, trust me.
there's also no pro team to contend with.

That’s a big deal at UC, whose on-campus Nippert Stadium holds 35,097. Its last opening-day sellout was in 2001, also against Purdue

that is why UC won't be picked by a big league this decade.

btw, Fresno would have no problem competing with UTAH/BYU had they stayed.

Your earlier post said you were done posting.....why not let it go. You are not persuading anyone to your line of wishful thinking.

Fresno is a viable program, enough so that it could compete in the Big12.
Near 40k attendance and in the 49th largest market in the USA. Furthermore Fresno has considerable influence throughout the Central Valley, specifically Bakersfield, Modesto, Merced, Sacramento, and Visalia.

I think at some point the B1G will take 2 schools and it would trickle down to the Big12 losing WV and abandoning their Eastern ambitions.

My prediction is that the Big12 loses WV and Kansas.
Adds BYU, CSU, SDSU, and FS

If they Expand to 14 or 16 add in Boise and UNLV, and Houston and New Mexico.

Fresno S

Sorry, but NIU fills one of those spots. The Big 12 needs central and eastern time zone teams, not mountain and west coast time zone teams. NIU brings the Chicago market which is bigger than any that you have mentioned. May seem farfetched for now, but plans are being made and winning cures many ills.

(11-21-2013 09:09 PM)bigredmachine Wrote:  Sorry, but NIU fills one of those spots. The Big 12 needs central and eastern time zone teams, not mountain and west coast time zone teams. NIU brings the Chicago market which is bigger than any that you have mentioned. May seem farfetched for now, but plans are being made and winning cures many ills.

I assure you, NIU is not on the Big12 radar. If they wouldn't expand for Louisville, they are not going to add NIU or Fresno. Nothing against those schools, it's just the way the Big12 thinks. Looks like the Big12 is set at ten and has no intention of expanding unless forced to by rule. It doesnt appear anyone is forcing them.

Conn & BYU are the biggest prizes out there.
just fill in between, Cin & Memphis

(11-21-2013 10:47 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(11-21-2013 09:09 PM)bigredmachine Wrote:  Sorry, but NIU fills one of those spots. The Big 12 needs central and eastern time zone teams, not mountain and west coast time zone teams. NIU brings the Chicago market which is bigger than any that you have mentioned. May seem farfetched for now, but plans are being made and winning cures many ills.

I assure you, NIU is not on the Big12 radar. If they wouldn't expand for Louisville, they are not going to add NIU or Fresno. Nothing against those schools, it's just the way the Big12 thinks. Looks like the Big12 is set at ten and has no intention of expanding unless forced to by rule. It doesnt appear anyone is forcing them.

I have to agree, coog. It would take a lot for the Big XII to swallow hard and take schools like Cincinnati, Houston or Memphis, but they at least have a shot. I can't envision a scenario in which the Big XII considers these far west schools that have been mentioned. I suppose if West Virginia were somehow to end up in another conference, it would open up the possibility of taking the conference west instead of east. I don't think that will happen any time soon.

Also, I can't imagine that UConn will ever be on the Big XII radar. I'm not even going to debate the viability of UConn as a P5 school/team, only that the Big XII geographically is not likely to be interested in UConn as a target. Even one of the Florida schools is a stretch for me, but less so because of those schools location, recruiting grounds, enrollment and potential.

To me, the most likely schools to be considered for inclusion in the Big XII, if no current schools leave, are schools that fall inside their current footprint and schools that would bridge to West Virginia. Therefore, I see the most logical additions to be Cincinnati and Memphis. If they were going to 14, then maybe Houston and Tulane have a shot. But the idea that they would go to the east or west coasts is just bizarre to me.

(11-21-2013 06:26 AM)NestaKnight1 Wrote:  

(11-21-2013 03:03 AM)SoulsAstray Wrote:  

(11-20-2013 03:20 PM)mac6115cd Wrote:  Fresno has no recognition outside of Fresno (#55 TV market) and has only one shared MWC championship (2012). After losing TCU, BYU and Utah, you now have a chance every year.

UC (#34 TV market) has won several Big East championships and is in contention for the American conference this year and will be every year they remain there - and, UC basketball has a strong history and is positioned to make the NCAA tourney every year.

However, the fact is UC will never be invited to join the B1G - it would be nice from a geography perspective, but it's not going to happen.

Fresno state's influence is much larger than it's tv market, trust me.
there's also no pro team to contend with.

That’s a big deal at UC, whose on-campus Nippert Stadium holds 35,097. Its last opening-day sellout was in 2001, also against Purdue

that is why UC won't be picked by a big league this decade.

btw, Fresno would have no problem competing with UTAH/BYU had they stayed.

Your subjective opinion unsupported by any facts aside. If Fresno would have no problem competing with Utah/BYU why didn't they win any MW championships when they were members?

..... they didn't play utah/byu in the MWC

Fresno did play with utah/byu in the 90s(WAC) and had 2 championships in like 7-8 years with them there..
Recruiting has gotten better in California and Fresno would have an even easier time competing with them, imo. that's my reasoning.

remember, utah was the third best non-aq in the 00s, not the first.
boise/tcu were easily the top two teams from 00-2010
utah got invited to the pac12 because the pac wanted their media market.

And i'm gone now
have a happy holidays, smu fan.
cheers

(11-16-2013 10:03 PM)SoulsAstray Wrote:  

(11-16-2013 10:01 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(11-16-2013 09:57 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(11-16-2013 09:45 PM)SoulsAstray Wrote:  - Miami - Miami is desperate and is afraid of sinking back into irrelevancy. They know the SEC won't take them right now and that the ACC will just take them for granted. An opportunity to pick up Texas/California recruits could be the ticket to get them to move.
UCF is the last resort choice for obvious reasons.

Stop. Miami isn't going anywhere. What business do they have playing in the middle of the country? They will always be an East Coast team. In addition, the Big 12's academics aren't up to par.

what he said^^^^^^^^^

The business of picking up recruits.
[/b]Academics don't matter anymore. See the Pac12 openly discussing the possibility of adding Boise(!!!!) st and SDSU.[b]

They are discussing adding Boise and SDSU? Link?