http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20131...AC-Eastern

So David Goricki, EMU alum and long time Detroit News sports writer, has more names of coaches going public with their interest in the job.

Previously David had his article on Wheatley and Wilcher (think Wilcher is running on the Wheatley ticket).

(11-16-2013 08:07 AM)emu steve Wrote:  http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20131...AC-Eastern

So David Goricki, EMU alum and long time Detroit News sports writer, has more names of coaches going public with their interest in the job.

Previously David had his article on Wheatley and Wilcher (think Wilcher is running on the Wheatley ticket).

Very compelling possibility. I don't really have a problem with hiring a guy like that. EMU is not sexy enough to get a guy without at least one negative on his record (inexperience, small school HC, legal trouble, etc).

Goricki is a WMU alum. Lives in Ypsi Township. Nobody in the Det area media covers EMU better.

We just ran a guy out of town because he spoke harshly to players. Now we're going to hire a guy who was arrested for a felony domestic violence charge?

English has taken some heat for not acting like a parent to his players. Haywood was arrested for physically attacking his child's mother.

I'm all for giving a guy a second chance, but this would be very high risk. Haywood was violent when things were good. What's he going to do when things are bad?

(11-16-2013 09:13 AM)ljmhurons Wrote:  We just ran a guy out of town because he spoke harshly to players. Now we're going to hire a guy who was arrested for a felony domestic violence charge?

English has taken some heat for not acting like a parent to his players. Haywood was arrested for physically attacking his child's mother.

I'm all for giving a guy a second chance, but this would be very high risk. Haywood was violent when things were good. What's he going to do when things are bad?

Amen

(11-16-2013 09:13 AM)ljmhurons Wrote:  We just ran a guy out of town because he spoke harshly to players. Now we're going to hire a guy who was arrested for a felony domestic violence charge?

English has taken some heat for not acting like a parent to his players. Haywood was arrested for physically attacking his child's mother.

I'm all for giving a guy a second chance, but this would be very high risk. Haywood was violent when things were good. What's he going to do when things are bad?

Well, Miami was 1-11 in his first year and for all we know, he didn't get violent when things were bad. At least he's proven he can win in the MAC (and win the MAC, for that matter). I'd gladly take a chance on him. I love the plan he laid out for recruiting too: hit the south as hard as possible.

(11-16-2013 09:25 AM)EagleSam Wrote:  

(11-16-2013 09:13 AM)ljmhurons Wrote:  We just ran a guy out of town because he spoke harshly to players. Now we're going to hire a guy who was arrested for a felony domestic violence charge?

English has taken some heat for not acting like a parent to his players. Haywood was arrested for physically attacking his child's mother.

I'm all for giving a guy a second chance, but this would be very high risk. Haywood was violent when things were good. What's he going to do when things are bad?

Well, Miami was 1-11 in his first year and for all we know, he didn't get violent when things were bad. At least he's proven he can win in the MAC (and win the MAC, for that matter). I'd gladly take a chance on him. I love the plan he laid out for recruiting too: hit the south as hard as possible.

I know that he went 1-11. I also know that there was almost no pressure to win his first season. Make that his fourth season and then we'll know.

Well if he's not winning by his 4th season, then he'll get canned anyway and we'll be back to square one. At least he has proven he can win as a head coach...in our conference, no less. I'm not condoning what he did off the field. That's terrible, and even though charges were dropped, he deserved to be fired. I believe he also deserves a second chance at coaching, just like I wouldn't hate an FCS or DII team for giving Ron English a second chance.

I wonder what the chances are of a female AD hiring a coach who had been convicted of domestic assault on mother of his child whom he had not married.

(11-16-2013 10:03 AM)MajorHoople Wrote:  I wonder what the chances are of a female AD hiring a coach who had been convicted of domestic assault on mother of his child whom he had not married.

Well, she called him, so...

This cannot happen. The domestic violence charge makes him untouchable. The last thing Eastern needs is more negative PR.

From my perspective there is a HUGE difference between an isolated incident and a pattern of behavior. The charges were dropped against him so it appears that the court and the prosecutor in the case saw it as an isolated incident as well rather than a pattern of behavior. Additionally, there was probably a whole lot more to the story, that no one except the participants and the legal system, are privy to (She could have come at him with a bat first. She could have been threatening him in some other manner). We just don't know. I am absolutely not advocating violence against women. I have been happily married for 27 years and learned a LONG time ago to let "irritating things" go. My wife has learned the same thing. We all can be irritating at times. No one is perfect.

For Coach English's rant to have been recorded... For someone to have had the presence of mind to think, "I'm sick and tired of him screaming at us and what he's been calling us. This time I'm going to record it," is indicative of a pattern of behavior.

How does the saying go? Let he who is without sin cast the first stone. It's not that you lost your temper once, under publicly unknown circumstances, and repented of your behavior. It is that temper tantrums are part of your makeup and become or are a pattern of behavior.

Interesting candidate, but I don't have a clue whom I would hire if I were Lyke.

English was essentially a "lock" five years ago as the only candidate who was a BCS coordinator or similar qualifications. I believe most were position coaches at B1G schools or ND, etc.

I could see Haywood, Cubit or Gill (if he is interested). All have won in the MAC.

AmaIng but we could have more experienced candidates now...

(11-16-2013 10:29 AM)HuronRob Wrote:  From my perspective there is a HUGE difference between an isolated incident and a pattern of behavior. The charges were dropped against him so it appears that the court and the prosecutor in the case saw it as an isolated incident as well rather than a pattern of behavior. Additionally, there was probably a whole lot more to the story, that no one except the participants and the legal system, are privy to (She could have come at him with a bat first. She could have been threatening him in some other manner). We just don't know. I am absolutely not advocating violence against women. I have been happily married for 27 years and learned a LONG time ago to let "irritating things" go. My wife has learned the same thing. We all can be irritating at times. No one is perfect.

For Coach English's rant to have been recorded... For someone to have had the presence of mind to think, "I'm sick and tired of him screaming at us and what he's been calling us. This time I'm going to record it," is indicative of a pattern of behavior.

How does the saying go? Let he who is without sin cast the first stone. It's not that you lost your temper once, under publicly unknown circumstances, and repented of your behavior. It is that temper tantrums are part of your makeup and become or are a pattern of behavior.

I understand what you are saying, but it isn’t doable from a PR perspective. Feminists would make this a very problematic hire.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Haywood

Best resume, other than the legal rap, I'vd seen at EMU in following EMU FB last 25 years.

Better than Ron Cooper, Rick Rasnick (good resume), Woodruff, Genyk or English.

Turned around a losing Miami program quickly and has OC experience at ND.

Previous coach was Shane Montgomery who took over from Terry Hoeppner and ran the Miami program into the ground. Last seaon: 2 wins.

Haywood the won 1 game before winning 9 games and the MACC.

(11-16-2013 10:48 AM)emu steve Wrote:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Haywood

Best resume, other than the legal rap, I'vd seen at EMU in following EMU FB last 25 years.

Better than Ron Cooper, Rick Rasnick (good resume), Woodruff, Genyk or English.

Turned around a losing Miami program quickly and has OC experience at ND.

I might have to revise my top 3...

(11-16-2013 10:48 AM)emu steve Wrote:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Haywood

Best resume, other than the legal rap, I'vd seen at EMU in following EMU FB last 25 years.

Better than Ron Cooper, Rick Rasnick (good resume), Woodruff, Genyk or English.

Turned around a losing Miami program quickly and has OC experience at ND.

True, but that legal issue is a significant problem.

(11-16-2013 10:34 AM)wolverineeagle Wrote:  I understand what you are saying, but it isn’t doable from a PR perspective. Feminists would make this a very problematic hire.

Maybe not but, then again, I wouldn't place that concern (feminist "outrage") over the opportunity to give the man a second chance. There will always be someone or some group who will be dissatisfied with who you hire. I'm not saying Haywood is a great guy. I don't know him - this is the first I've heard about him. But, I will say that I would be in deep doo doo if I were judged for the rest of my life for one isolated thing I have done. I am not a criminal. I adhere to the law and am not violent yet I have done some stupid things in my past that I have learned from. I try not to repeat the errors I have made. For all we know this woman was brandishing a bat against him and he was simply defending himself. She called the cops and said he hit her. When the whole story was exposed in court he was offered counseling and the charges were dropped. We simply don't know. Domestic violence situations are often very unclear - often a he said/she said situation - especially where there is a lack of physical evidence. How do I know this? My son is a criminal justice major at EMU and has told me this is why police officers are often hesitant to get involved. It's a no win situation.

So, I say we keep an open mind until more information is provided. Maybe, part of EMU considering him for the Head Coach position will include a full disclosure of the incident (court records, psychological assessment and so forth) that will either exonerate or exclude him from being considered for the position. That way, is he is hired, EMU will have ample evidence to provide the feminists and assuage their collective outrage.

(11-16-2013 11:02 AM)HuronRob Wrote:  

(11-16-2013 10:34 AM)wolverineeagle Wrote:  I understand what you are saying, but it isn’t doable from a PR perspective. Feminists would make this a very problematic hire.

Maybe not but, then again, I wouldn't place that concern (feminist "outrage") over the opportunity to give the man a second chance. There will always be someone or some group who will be dissatisfied with who you hire. I'm not saying Haywood is a great guy. I don't know him - this is the first I've heard about him. But, I will say that I would be in deep doo doo if I were judged for the rest of my life for one isolated thing I have done. I am not a criminal. I adhere to the law and am not violent yet I have done some stupid things in my past that I have learned from. I try not to repeat the errors I have made. For all we know this woman was brandishing a bat against him and he was simply defending himself. She called the cops and said he hit her. When the whole story was exposed in court he was offered counseling and the charges were dropped. We simply don't know. Domestic violence situations are often very unclear - often a he said/she said situation - especially where there is a lack of physical evidence. How do I know this? My son is a criminal justice major at EMU and has told me this is why police officers are often hesitant to get involved. It's a no win situation.

So, I say we keep an open mind until more information is provided. Maybe, part of EMU considering him for the Head Coach position will include a full disclosure of the incident (court records, psychological assessment and so forth) that will either exonerate or exclude him from being considered for the position. That way, is he is hired, EMU will have ample evidence to provide the feminists and assuage their collective outrage.

Lyke would do her due diligence and include or exclude him based on it. I am sure Dr. Martin would also demand a full review in of the legal proceedings.

His FOOTBALL resume is the best of any name posted on this forum, IMHO.

(11-16-2013 11:18 AM)emu steve Wrote:  Lyke would do her due diligence and include or exclude him based on it. I am sure Dr. Martin would also demand a full review in of the legal proceedings.

His FOOTBALL resume is the best of any name posted on this forum, IMHO.

My thoughts exactly.

Guys,

Please don't kill me, but couldn't Haywood issue be a symptoms of sometime much bigger? Do EMU want too look back on this new coach hire in 2 or 3 years and say we shouldn't had done this... This is what some people here on this board had said about the English hire, there were red flags they had about him... This Charge/incident happened when he was an adult not when he was young he should had know better.. According to what I read Haywood drove hours from where he was to put his hands on this lady.. Think about this, He drove hours and still hasn't cool off or thought better against handling this another way? Something doesn't smell right about his story..

This hire could kill our football program, EMU shouldn't just seem as if we are desperate and will just take anyone who say they will come to EMU. Shouldn't we be concerned about a person character? what about the message it sending to the young men and women at the school and the females who are employed there? What happen if a young women lies and say Haywood touched me inappropriately then it's a zoo here again..

If he is such a great hire how come no one else has hired this guy yet?

I am strongly against it as you can tell and yes I do believe in giving a 2nd to people depending on each situation.. I have a daughter and would be concern about this at her school DePaul. I don't want to be a party pooper.

Lastly didn't EMU pull a young man scholarship for grabbing a young lady during a domestic matter?