NM, CSU, and WY have a total of 4 Texas verbals, 3 of which were not offered by any Texas CUSA, AAC, or SBC school. This is down substantially from previous years. For example, Texas State Coach Franchione had huge success at New Mexico, mostly with his Texas recruits.

UNT in Dallas/Ft. Worth Metroplex and UTSA in the beautiful city of San Antonio and playing in the Alamodome, offer lots of positives and competition that CSU, WY, and NM didn't have to compete with previously. Throw in CUSA's good bowls and tv.

Texas State has a nice new stadium and offers nearby San Antonio and Austin amenities. Texas State has beaten Wyoming and Southern Miss this year, another positive to recruit to.

In addition, all three schools--UNT, UTSA, and Texas State--appear bowl bound, another positive for these three schools to attract Texas recruits.

The B12 and CUSA/West opened up Texas recruiting for both Oklahoma State and Tulsa, and both schools experienced a much higher level of success recruiting in the state of Texas. Arkansas, Colorado, and Nebraska have not enjoyed the previous level of Texas recruiting success since leaving the Big12.

UTSA is not able to be bowl eligible this year with their transition process to FBS.

Your point is very interesting. I would actually also add that if someone was going to go from Texas, they'd go to New Mexico State, as they are playing in the SBC and playing in Texas some and further east.

Arkansas was never in the Big 12!!!!!

(11-14-2013 12:01 PM)Tallgrass Wrote:  NM, CSU, and WY have a total of 4 Texas verbals, 3 of which were not offered by any Texas CUSA, AAC, or SBC school. This is down substantially from previous years. For example, Texas State Coach Franchione had huge success at New Mexico, mostly with his Texas recruits.

UNT in Dallas/Ft. Worth Metroplex and UTSA in the beautiful city of San Antonio and playing in the Alamodome, offer lots of positives and competition that CSU, WY, and NM didn't have to compete with previously. Throw in CUSA's good bowls and tv.

Texas State has a nice new stadium and offers nearby San Antonio and Austin amenities. Texas State has beaten Wyoming and Southern Miss this year, another positive to recruit to.

In addition, all three schools--UNT, UTSA, and Texas State--appear bowl bound, another positive for these three schools to attract Texas recruits.

The B12 and CUSA/West opened up Texas recruiting for both Oklahoma State and Tulsa, and both schools experienced a much higher level of success recruiting in the state of Texas. Arkansas, Colorado, and Nebraska have not enjoyed the previous level of Texas recruiting success since leaving the Big12.

I didn't agree that the CUSA West schools will be taking many recruits from the AAC Texas schools. However, I do agree those CUSA West schools could have a great deal of success in recruiting battles against MW schools. I think your numbers pretty much prove that out.

(11-14-2013 12:01 PM)Tallgrass Wrote:  NM, CSU, and WY have a total of 4 Texas verbals, 3 of which were not offered by any Texas CUSA, AAC, or SBC school. This is down substantially from previous years. For example, Texas State Coach Franchione had huge success at New Mexico, mostly with his Texas recruits.

UNT in Dallas/Ft. Worth Metroplex and UTSA in the beautiful city of San Antonio and playing in the Alamodome, offer lots of positives and competition that CSU, WY, and NM didn't have to compete with previously. Throw in CUSA's good bowls and tv.

Texas State has a nice new stadium and offers nearby San Antonio and Austin amenities. Texas State has beaten Wyoming and Southern Miss this year, another positive to recruit to.

In addition, all three schools--UNT, UTSA, and Texas State--appear bowl bound, another positive for these three schools to attract Texas recruits.

The B12 and CUSA/West opened up Texas recruiting for both Oklahoma State and Tulsa, and both schools experienced a much higher level of success recruiting in the state of Texas. Arkansas, Colorado, and Nebraska have not enjoyed the previous level of Texas recruiting success since leaving the Big12.

Only New Mexico has recruited heavily in Texas out of the MWC. Wyoming and CSU very little. Right now the list of verbals is very small but that's true for a number of schools. While UTSA and Texas St moving up does spread the talent a bit thinner, when all is said and done I'd bet the UNM will have it's normal number of recruits from Texas which is about 10 out of 25.

(11-14-2013 12:36 PM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  

(11-14-2013 12:01 PM)Tallgrass Wrote:  NM, CSU, and WY have a total of 4 Texas verbals, 3 of which were not offered by any Texas CUSA, AAC, or SBC school. This is down substantially from previous years. For example, Texas State Coach Franchione had huge success at New Mexico, mostly with his Texas recruits.

UNT in Dallas/Ft. Worth Metroplex and UTSA in the beautiful city of San Antonio and playing in the Alamodome, offer lots of positives and competition that CSU, WY, and NM didn't have to compete with previously. Throw in CUSA's good bowls and tv.

Texas State has a nice new stadium and offers nearby San Antonio and Austin amenities. Texas State has beaten Wyoming and Southern Miss this year, another positive to recruit to.

In addition, all three schools--UNT, UTSA, and Texas State--appear bowl bound, another positive for these three schools to attract Texas recruits.

The B12 and CUSA/West opened up Texas recruiting for both Oklahoma State and Tulsa, and both schools experienced a much higher level of success recruiting in the state of Texas. Arkansas, Colorado, and Nebraska have not enjoyed the previous level of Texas recruiting success since leaving the Big12.

Only New Mexico has recruited heavily in Texas out of the MWC. Wyoming and CSU very little. Right now the list of verbals is very small but that's true for a number of schools. While UTSA and Texas St moving up does spread the talent a bit thinner, when all is said and done I'd bet the UNM will have it's normal number of recruits from Texas which is about 10 out of 25.

The question will be, do kids want to go to a school that never plays in their home state.

I agree with the basic point that the Mtn. has almost Zero recruiting-presence in Texas, and that non-presence is unlikely to change. We can all wait a few years and see what the impact of that is on the Mtn.'s on-field performance...

(11-14-2013 12:52 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  I agree with the basic point that the Mtn. has almost Zero recruiting-presence in Texas, and that non-presence is unlikely to change. We can all wait a few years and see what the impact of that is on the Mtn.'s on-field performance...

I would think the MW schools would be forced to rely even more heavily on California than in the past. My guess is that MW Texas recruiting has been declining since TCU left.

(11-14-2013 01:06 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  I would think the MW schools would be forced to rely even more heavily on California than in the past. My guess is that MW Texas recruiting has been declining since TCU left.

All true.

Unless and until the Mtn. can expand into Texas markets (Houston, Dallas, Austin-San Antonio, etc), the overwhelming bulk of its recruiting and media-exposure will have to come from the Mountain and Pacific Time Zone areas, and of course California will be in the lead, with Colorado-Utah-Nevada providing support. Perhaps some from Arizona, too, even though the Mtn. does not have a member in that state.

(11-14-2013 12:01 PM)Tallgrass Wrote:  NM, CSU, and WY have a total of 4 Texas verbals, 3 of which were not offered by any Texas CUSA, AAC, or SBC school. This is down substantially from previous years. For example, Texas State Coach Franchione had huge success at New Mexico, mostly with his Texas recruits.

UNT in Dallas/Ft. Worth Metroplex and UTSA in the beautiful city of San Antonio and playing in the Alamodome, offer lots of positives and competition that CSU, WY, and NM didn't have to compete with previously. Throw in CUSA's good bowls and tv.

Texas State has a nice new stadium and offers nearby San Antonio and Austin amenities. Texas State has beaten Wyoming and Southern Miss this year, another positive to recruit to.

In addition, all three schools--UNT, UTSA, and Texas State--appear bowl bound, another positive for these three schools to attract Texas recruits.

The B12 and CUSA/West opened up Texas recruiting for both Oklahoma State and Tulsa, and both schools experienced a much higher level of success recruiting in the state of Texas. Arkansas, Colorado, and Nebraska have not enjoyed the previous level of Texas recruiting success since leaving the Big12.

Very interesting post.

Is this going to put pressure on the MWC to counterstrike with UTSA/UTEP once their TV deal is up in 2020?

It makes some sense for the MWC because not only does it get the conference into Texas it also allows Boise State to shift to the West division and play its traditional WAC rivals.

Well, we have quite a few Mtn Division schools playing Texas schools for out of conference games. However, I think UTSA and Texas st. may thin the ranks a little but lets see in a few years when the MW going to the Access bowl regularly may get a better recruiting advantage.
Boise State however, has had an uptick in Texas recruits.

it's no lock at all that MWC will go to the access bowl regularly. I don't think they would go this year- I think NIU would get the spot. Heck, with a committee, could easily have seen UCF go this year quite frankly with only loss to top 10 South Carolina.

(11-14-2013 02:45 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  Well, we have quite a few Mtn Division schools playing Texas schools for out of conference games. However, I think UTSA and Texas st. may thin the ranks a little but lets see in a few years when the MW going to the Access bowl regularly may get a better recruiting advantage.
Boise State however, has had an uptick in Texas recruits.

Yeah, I'm not so sure about how regularly that occurs

Outside of AFA (who draw from a different pool, anyway) and UNM, traditionally none of the teams had more than a handful of Texas players, and the ones that did go to MWC were never highly recruited. Dave Campbell's Texas Football mag does a bit every year on how many players from each conference are from Texas. IIRC, it was usually around 30/ year.

actually another false hood is that the MWC plays a lot of Texas games OOC... this year only 3 schools played any Texas teams OOC
Colorado St- 1 home
Wyoming- 1 away
New Mexico- 1 home and 1 away

it'll be interesting to see if the schools like UTSA, Texas St, etc. play any MWC schools going forward. UTEP will, but that'll be it quite possibly. And, for a lot of Texas, UTEP is way far away so it's not that big of a help.

(11-14-2013 03:14 PM)stever20 Wrote:  And, for a lot of Texas, UTEP is way far away so it's not that big of a help.

Just from a pure travel standpoint, it's essentially the same as going to New Mexico State.

(11-14-2013 03:14 PM)stever20 Wrote:  actually another false hood is that the MWC plays a lot of Texas games OOC... this year only 3 schools played any Texas teams OOC
Colorado St- 1 home
Wyoming- 1 away
New Mexico- 1 home and 1 away

it'll be interesting to see if the schools like UTSA, Texas St, etc. play any MWC schools going forward. UTEP will, but that'll be it quite possibly. And, for a lot of Texas, UTEP is way far away so it's not that big of a help.

Colorado St. has a 4 game series with UTSA starting in 2015. new mexico plays at UTSA in 2014 and Texas A&m 2017. NM and UTSA has room to schedule each other if they wanted to.

that's 2 schools playing 4 games. Also, UTSA really doesn't have many openings left. 1 in 2016 and 2 in 2017 is all between now and 2018 season. Texas St more open, but only 1 in 2015 and then it really opens up after that. If UTSA and Texas St are smart- they don't play the MWC schools and kind of encase their recruiting grounds.

If you're "disguised" suggestion in this thread is to imply that CUSA and Sun Belt > MWC, you are misguided. Check the stats of recruits from CA. Fresno State and Boise State do not build programs off The state of TX (I understand this is difficult for those living in TX to grasp). When the MWC decides it needs a school from TX, they could make that happen tomorrow.

(11-14-2013 05:44 PM)LSUtah Wrote:  If you're "disguised" suggestion in this thread is to imply that CUSA and Sun Belt > MWC, you are misguided. Check the stats of recruits from CA. Fresno State and Boise State do not build programs off The state of TX (I understand this is difficult for those living in TX to grasp). When the MWC decides it needs a school from TX, they could make that happen tomorrow.

True - Fresno is 80% CA, with the rest Arizona, the Pacific (Hawaii, Samoa) and a few scattered nation-wide

San Diego State is similar in build

Boise is built on Idaho/NW/Calif/AZ/NV kids.

Texas has 26 Million people, 12 FBS and 8 FCS programs
California has 38 million people, 7 FBS and 3 schollie FCS programs
Arizona has 6 million, 2 FBS, 1 FCS

(11-14-2013 05:44 PM)LSUtah Wrote:  When the MWC decides it needs a school from TX, they could make that happen tomorrow.

Lamar and Abilene-Christian... COME ON DOWN

(11-14-2013 06:11 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  Texas has 26 Million people, 12 FBS and 8 FCS programs
California has 38 million people, 7 FBS and 3 schollie FCS programs
Arizona has 6 million, 2 FBS, 1 FCS

the key # isn't total population, but # of HS football players
maybe include JUCO football players, too, but HS the main thing