(11-14-2013 11:42 PM)Eagle78 Wrote:  

(11-14-2013 05:18 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(11-14-2013 03:50 PM)uconnwhaler Wrote:  

(11-14-2013 03:38 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  This is one of the more foolish ideas I have seen. UCF is considered a community college by most ACC members. USF is perceived as not much better. Since there is nothing gained by adding such schools, such school will not be added.

The next school added, if there is a next school, has to be a football school, has to be a football oriented addition adding some combination of:

1. Football prowess
2. New media markets
3. Incentive for ND to up their current ACC slate from 5 to 8
4. Academically above Louisville, meaning no worse than top 150 or at least a service academy

6. Any expansion inside the current ACC footprint has to be a home run - Penn State, Florida, Georgia.
7. Texas or Michigan State would likely draw ND into the conference for 8 games - however - do you see them knocking down the door?

Now let's look at less prominent options:

1. Navy - Seems okay, but only if they cause ND to play more ACC games
2. Cincy - Louisiville and ND encroach on their market - they are of no interest to ND
3. Tulane - Bad sports school, trips to New Orleans are the only upside
4. UConn - ND has no special love for them, and their markets are encroached upon by BC, Syracuse, etc.
5. Iowa State - More possible than you think
6. Kansas - Probably acceptable to all
7. West Va. - Tough sell

The bottom line is that there is no one out there the ACC really wants other than Penn State. The desire for Texas is tempered by the trouble that Texas can cause. Anyway, the ACC has no financial reason to expand at the look-in time unless the new team adds territory and it's a team folks want to watch and FSU, Clemson, and ND want to play in football.

I'm sorry, but this needs to be resolved. BC / Syracuse do not, in any way, encroach on UConn's market. Hartford/New Haven is the #30 market on its own and there is not a whiff of either university here. And second, 1/3 of Connecticut is considered part of the NYC DMA and there are no Syracuse fans down there. They have them in the city, but that does not translate to Fairfield County. I think people need to understand how far Cuse is from NYC...it is further than Baltimore is to NYC. There is no encroachment, and neither university will get you on television in CT. I can't even remember the last time I heard someone mention BC until we hired their Assistant Coach to lead us into Hockey East.

You don't seem to understand, UConn does not OWN the Hartford Market. UConn can monopolize that market for 3.5 hours a week for football and 6 hours a week for basketball. The Hartford market has 24-30 hours of college football a week, and many more college basketball hours.

Because of their physical proximity to Hartford, you can and do see Syracuse and BC in the Hartford media market. You may not watch them, but they are there. Take the case of Charlotte NC. The Charlotte NC market watches UNC, Clemson, South Carolina, NC State, ECU, WF, and Duke play ball. Some weeks all 7 appear in that market. It's an ACC market, but the SEC has a strong presence in the market due to the proximity of SC and Georgia. The same thing happens in your area.

The B-5 conferences want to add just one team in the major markets or new markets, not two teams when one will do. Between BC, Syracuse, ND, and Duke, the ACC gets its share of Hartford and NYC for that matter.

Remember, it's not an imperative to have the top team in a particular market - it's nice, but not necessary.

Louisville wipes the floor with you in this respect for the ACC. Louisville puts the ACC in the Kentucky markets, southside Indiana, and in the Cincy market - now U of L is not the top draw in any of those markets with the exception perhaps of Louisville, but it doesn't matter, U of L and the ACC gained access to a previously untapped market. You offer none of that to the ACC.

You do offer some of that to the B10, particularly east and perhaps northeast of NYC - the question is how much value do they assign to those markets and do they think Penn State, Rutgers, and Ohio State cover it for them.

Lumberpack...you are correct. The Uconn fans don't want to acknowledge this, of course, but BC IS on extensively in the CT/Hartford market - and all of New England for that matter. BC is covered on NESN (the New England Cable Sports Network). This is the premier New England cable sports network, owned jointly by the Boston Red Sox and Bruins. It is carried throughout CT. This Saturday, for example, CT residents can see the BC/NCST game live at 12:30 on NESN, with an encore at 8pm on Sunday night.
One thing that many people forget about BC is that, as a private school, it has an appeal that can reach outside of it core Boston market (the #7 DMA, by the way). Many casual fans who might not be interested in following the flagship of another state will watch a private school from that region. As Frank the Tank has commented before in these threads, BC does have a TV appeal on a nationwide basis - certainly not on a Notre Dame level, but an appeal nevertheless.
Sure, as the state flagship, Uconn will always have greater appeal in CT than BC or others. However, that appeal, is largely limited outside of CT. They are not carried extensively throughout the rest of New England as BC is. They have virtually no presence in Boston.

There is literally no one in Boston who watches Uconn sports.

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Hank, Louisville was more valuable to the ACC than Connecticut, get over it dude. Your in the AAC!

(11-15-2013 07:49 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  Hank, Louisville was more valuable to the ACC than Connecticut, get over it dude. Your in the AAC!

Get out really? Is that why your school was added? Strong argument Wilk.

Unfortunately, that does not change my position that Hartford is a very valuable market wide open for a conference to claim.

(11-15-2013 07:54 AM)Hank Schrader Wrote:  

(11-15-2013 07:49 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  Hank, Louisville was more valuable to the ACC than Connecticut, get over it dude. Your in the AAC!

Get out really? Is that why your school was added? Strong argument Wilk.

Unfortunately, that does not change my position that Hartford is a very valuable market wide open for a conference to claim.

Anytime you can get the #2 team in Kentucky you have to jump on it.

Seriously, any L'Ville fan who thinks they are in because of their athletics/markets and not because of a powerplay by the football schools against Tobacco Road is nuts. You should be grateful for the fact that you got one of the last life rafts, but know the context. First, it was originally Cuse/UConn going to the ACC before BCU blocked it and got Pitt in (no thought of L'Ville), then when UMD left Swofford told Aresco that UConn was being invited (see press conferences with Aresco talking about the strength of AAC w/ LVille & Cinci).

But yeah, L'Ville is a crown jewel.

Wow, these Noobs are impressive!

(11-15-2013 08:40 AM)uconnwhaler Wrote:  But yeah, L'Ville is a crown jewel.

We know exactly how valuable Louisville was relative to other Big East teams: Of the 9 football teams in the Big East (which includes TCU) as of summer 2011, 6 of them were eventually drafted by P5 conferences, and of those, Louisville was the last chosen.

So their value was #6 out of 9 Big East football schools.

(11-15-2013 07:42 AM)Hank Schrader Wrote:  

(11-14-2013 11:42 PM)Eagle78 Wrote:  

(11-14-2013 05:18 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(11-14-2013 03:50 PM)uconnwhaler Wrote:  

(11-14-2013 03:38 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  This is one of the more foolish ideas I have seen. UCF is considered a community college by most ACC members. USF is perceived as not much better. Since there is nothing gained by adding such schools, such school will not be added.

The next school added, if there is a next school, has to be a football school, has to be a football oriented addition adding some combination of:

1. Football prowess
2. New media markets
3. Incentive for ND to up their current ACC slate from 5 to 8
4. Academically above Louisville, meaning no worse than top 150 or at least a service academy

6. Any expansion inside the current ACC footprint has to be a home run - Penn State, Florida, Georgia.
7. Texas or Michigan State would likely draw ND into the conference for 8 games - however - do you see them knocking down the door?

Now let's look at less prominent options:

1. Navy - Seems okay, but only if they cause ND to play more ACC games
2. Cincy - Louisiville and ND encroach on their market - they are of no interest to ND
3. Tulane - Bad sports school, trips to New Orleans are the only upside
4. UConn - ND has no special love for them, and their markets are encroached upon by BC, Syracuse, etc.
5. Iowa State - More possible than you think
6. Kansas - Probably acceptable to all
7. West Va. - Tough sell

The bottom line is that there is no one out there the ACC really wants other than Penn State. The desire for Texas is tempered by the trouble that Texas can cause. Anyway, the ACC has no financial reason to expand at the look-in time unless the new team adds territory and it's a team folks want to watch and FSU, Clemson, and ND want to play in football.

I'm sorry, but this needs to be resolved. BC / Syracuse do not, in any way, encroach on UConn's market. Hartford/New Haven is the #30 market on its own and there is not a whiff of either university here. And second, 1/3 of Connecticut is considered part of the NYC DMA and there are no Syracuse fans down there. They have them in the city, but that does not translate to Fairfield County. I think people need to understand how far Cuse is from NYC...it is further than Baltimore is to NYC. There is no encroachment, and neither university will get you on television in CT. I can't even remember the last time I heard someone mention BC until we hired their Assistant Coach to lead us into Hockey East.

You don't seem to understand, UConn does not OWN the Hartford Market. UConn can monopolize that market for 3.5 hours a week for football and 6 hours a week for basketball. The Hartford market has 24-30 hours of college football a week, and many more college basketball hours.

Because of their physical proximity to Hartford, you can and do see Syracuse and BC in the Hartford media market. You may not watch them, but they are there. Take the case of Charlotte NC. The Charlotte NC market watches UNC, Clemson, South Carolina, NC State, ECU, WF, and Duke play ball. Some weeks all 7 appear in that market. It's an ACC market, but the SEC has a strong presence in the market due to the proximity of SC and Georgia. The same thing happens in your area.

The B-5 conferences want to add just one team in the major markets or new markets, not two teams when one will do. Between BC, Syracuse, ND, and Duke, the ACC gets its share of Hartford and NYC for that matter.

Remember, it's not an imperative to have the top team in a particular market - it's nice, but not necessary.

Louisville wipes the floor with you in this respect for the ACC. Louisville puts the ACC in the Kentucky markets, southside Indiana, and in the Cincy market - now U of L is not the top draw in any of those markets with the exception perhaps of Louisville, but it doesn't matter, U of L and the ACC gained access to a previously untapped market. You offer none of that to the ACC.

You do offer some of that to the B10, particularly east and perhaps northeast of NYC - the question is how much value do they assign to those markets and do they think Penn State, Rutgers, and Ohio State cover it for them.

Lumberpack...you are correct. The Uconn fans don't want to acknowledge this, of course, but BC IS on extensively in the CT/Hartford market - and all of New England for that matter. BC is covered on NESN (the New England Cable Sports Network). This is the premier New England cable sports network, owned jointly by the Boston Red Sox and Bruins. It is carried throughout CT. This Saturday, for example, CT residents can see the BC/NCST game live at 12:30 on NESN, with an encore at 8pm on Sunday night.
One thing that many people forget about BC is that, as a private school, it has an appeal that can reach outside of it core Boston market (the #7 DMA, by the way). Many casual fans who might not be interested in following the flagship of another state will watch a private school from that region. As Frank the Tank has commented before in these threads, BC does have a TV appeal on a nationwide basis - certainly not on a Notre Dame level, but an appeal nevertheless.
Sure, as the state flagship, Uconn will always have greater appeal in CT than BC or others. However, that appeal, is largely limited outside of CT. They are not carried extensively throughout the rest of New England as BC is. They have virtually no presence in Boston.

There is literally no one in Boston who watches Uconn sports.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HhE2Y_i9lpU

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That is your retort....fans at a bar in Boston celebrating Uconn's NC win in...BASKETBALL?? Dude, its called a game watch. Alumni groups ahead of time announce the place where a game is going to be watched in a specific city and fans/alums gather to watch. If you read BC's blogger, atleagle, he routinely announces BC game watches for numerous major cities across America. I would never suggest that BC has a significant or credible "presence" in that market based on a fan video of other fans attending a game watch. Good lord! Frankly, given that it was a NC game, I would have expected more of your fans to be there than what was shown on that video.

I am talking about media presence and brand recognition in the market.

(11-15-2013 10:27 AM)Eagle78 Wrote:  

(11-15-2013 07:42 AM)Hank Schrader Wrote:  

(11-14-2013 11:42 PM)Eagle78 Wrote:  

(11-14-2013 05:18 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(11-14-2013 03:50 PM)uconnwhaler Wrote:  I'm sorry, but this needs to be resolved. BC / Syracuse do not, in any way, encroach on UConn's market. Hartford/New Haven is the #30 market on its own and there is not a whiff of either university here. And second, 1/3 of Connecticut is considered part of the NYC DMA and there are no Syracuse fans down there. They have them in the city, but that does not translate to Fairfield County. I think people need to understand how far Cuse is from NYC...it is further than Baltimore is to NYC. There is no encroachment, and neither university will get you on television in CT. I can't even remember the last time I heard someone mention BC until we hired their Assistant Coach to lead us into Hockey East.

You don't seem to understand, UConn does not OWN the Hartford Market. UConn can monopolize that market for 3.5 hours a week for football and 6 hours a week for basketball. The Hartford market has 24-30 hours of college football a week, and many more college basketball hours.

Because of their physical proximity to Hartford, you can and do see Syracuse and BC in the Hartford media market. You may not watch them, but they are there. Take the case of Charlotte NC. The Charlotte NC market watches UNC, Clemson, South Carolina, NC State, ECU, WF, and Duke play ball. Some weeks all 7 appear in that market. It's an ACC market, but the SEC has a strong presence in the market due to the proximity of SC and Georgia. The same thing happens in your area.

The B-5 conferences want to add just one team in the major markets or new markets, not two teams when one will do. Between BC, Syracuse, ND, and Duke, the ACC gets its share of Hartford and NYC for that matter.

Remember, it's not an imperative to have the top team in a particular market - it's nice, but not necessary.

Louisville wipes the floor with you in this respect for the ACC. Louisville puts the ACC in the Kentucky markets, southside Indiana, and in the Cincy market - now U of L is not the top draw in any of those markets with the exception perhaps of Louisville, but it doesn't matter, U of L and the ACC gained access to a previously untapped market. You offer none of that to the ACC.

You do offer some of that to the B10, particularly east and perhaps northeast of NYC - the question is how much value do they assign to those markets and do they think Penn State, Rutgers, and Ohio State cover it for them.

Lumberpack...you are correct. The Uconn fans don't want to acknowledge this, of course, but BC IS on extensively in the CT/Hartford market - and all of New England for that matter. BC is covered on NESN (the New England Cable Sports Network). This is the premier New England cable sports network, owned jointly by the Boston Red Sox and Bruins. It is carried throughout CT. This Saturday, for example, CT residents can see the BC/NCST game live at 12:30 on NESN, with an encore at 8pm on Sunday night.
One thing that many people forget about BC is that, as a private school, it has an appeal that can reach outside of it core Boston market (the #7 DMA, by the way). Many casual fans who might not be interested in following the flagship of another state will watch a private school from that region. As Frank the Tank has commented before in these threads, BC does have a TV appeal on a nationwide basis - certainly not on a Notre Dame level, but an appeal nevertheless.
Sure, as the state flagship, Uconn will always have greater appeal in CT than BC or others. However, that appeal, is largely limited outside of CT. They are not carried extensively throughout the rest of New England as BC is. They have virtually no presence in Boston.

There is literally no one in Boston who watches Uconn sports.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HhE2Y_i9lpU

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That is your retort....fans at a bar in Boston celebrating Uconn's NC win in...BASKETBALL?? Dude, its called a game watch. Alumni groups ahead of time announce the place where a game is going to be watched in a specific city and fans/alums gather to watch. If you read BC's blogger, atleagle, he routinely announces BC game watches for numerous major cities across America. I would never suggest that BC has a significant or credible "presence" in that market based on a fan video of other fans attending a game watch. Good lord! Frankly, given that it was a NC game, I would have expected more of your fans to be there than what was shown on that video.

I am talking about media presence and brand recognition in the market.

"They have virtually no presence in Boston." You were wrong.

Give it up. It was one example of numerous bars in Boston.

(11-15-2013 08:40 AM)uconnwhaler Wrote:  

(11-15-2013 07:54 AM)Hank Schrader Wrote:  

(11-15-2013 07:49 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  Hank, Louisville was more valuable to the ACC than Connecticut, get over it dude. Your in the AAC!

Get out really? Is that why your school was added? Strong argument Wilk.

Unfortunately, that does not change my position that Hartford is a very valuable market wide open for a conference to claim.

Anytime you can get the #2 team in Kentucky you have to jump on it.

Seriously, any L'Ville fan who thinks they are in because of their athletics/markets and not because of a powerplay by the football schools against Tobacco Road is nuts. You should be grateful for the fact that you got one of the last life rafts, but know the context. First, it was originally Cuse/UConn going to the ACC before BCU blocked it and got Pitt in (no thought of L'Ville), then when UMD left Swofford told Aresco that UConn was being invited (see press conferences with Aresco talking about the strength of AAC w/ LVille & Cinci).

But yeah, L'Ville is a crown jewel.

Help me, what am I not getting here? According to you, Aresco does not mention Uconn in a press conference so that means that Swofford told Aresco that Uconn was being invited to the ACC? Bit of a stretch, wouldn't you say?

BC single handily blocked Uconn from an ACC invite? This comment is humorous since Uconn fans have long bashed BC as having no power or influence in the ACC. Suddenly, when it suits you guys, that logic gets thrown out the window and now BC was this all-powerful entity that, on its own, "dictated" to the ACC that Uconn not be invited? Hate to break this to you - but FOUR votes were needed to block an invite. Did BC vote no? According the former AD, yes they did. However, BC did not have anywhere near the ability to block anyone on its own.



I know you guys love to propagate that myth on your own board, but that won't wash here.

(11-15-2013 10:35 AM)Hank Schrader Wrote:  

(11-15-2013 10:27 AM)Eagle78 Wrote:  

(11-15-2013 07:42 AM)Hank Schrader Wrote:  

(11-14-2013 11:42 PM)Eagle78 Wrote:  

(11-14-2013 05:18 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  You don't seem to understand, UConn does not OWN the Hartford Market. UConn can monopolize that market for 3.5 hours a week for football and 6 hours a week for basketball. The Hartford market has 24-30 hours of college football a week, and many more college basketball hours.

Because of their physical proximity to Hartford, you can and do see Syracuse and BC in the Hartford media market. You may not watch them, but they are there. Take the case of Charlotte NC. The Charlotte NC market watches UNC, Clemson, South Carolina, NC State, ECU, WF, and Duke play ball. Some weeks all 7 appear in that market. It's an ACC market, but the SEC has a strong presence in the market due to the proximity of SC and Georgia. The same thing happens in your area.

The B-5 conferences want to add just one team in the major markets or new markets, not two teams when one will do. Between BC, Syracuse, ND, and Duke, the ACC gets its share of Hartford and NYC for that matter.

If you knew anything about Boston, many fans here generally lose interest in anything west of Worcester.
Remember, it's not an imperative to have the top team in a particular market - it's nice, but not necessary.

Louisville wipes the floor with you in this respect for the ACC. Louisville puts the ACC in the Kentucky markets, southside Indiana, and in the Cincy market - now U of L is not the top draw in any of those markets with the exception perhaps of Louisville, but it doesn't matter, U of L and the ACC gained access to a previously untapped market. You offer none of that to the ACC.

You do offer some of that to the B10, particularly east and perhaps northeast of NYC - the question is how much value do they assign to those markets and do they think Penn State, Rutgers, and Ohio State cover it for them.

Lumberpack...you are correct. The Uconn fans don't want to acknowledge this, of course, but BC IS on extensively in the CT/Hartford market - and all of New England for that matter. BC is covered on NESN (the New England Cable Sports Network). This is the premier New England cable sports network, owned jointly by the Boston Red Sox and Bruins. It is carried throughout CT. This Saturday, for example, CT residents can see the BC/NCST game live at 12:30 on NESN, with an encore at 8pm on Sunday night.
One thing that many people forget about BC is that, as a private school, it has an appeal that can reach outside of it core Boston market (the #7 DMA, by the way). Many casual fans who might not be interested in following the flagship of another state will watch a private school from that region. As Frank the Tank has commented before in these threads, BC does have a TV appeal on a nationwide basis - certainly not on a Notre Dame level, but an appeal nevertheless.
Sure, as the state flagship, Uconn will always have greater appeal in CT than BC or others. However, that appeal, is largely limited outside of CT. They are not carried extensively throughout the rest of New England as BC is. They have virtually no presence in Boston.

There is literally no one in Boston who watches Uconn sports.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HhE2Y_i9lpU

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That is your retort....fans at a bar in Boston celebrating Uconn's NC win in...BASKETBALL?? Dude, its called a game watch. Alumni groups ahead of time announce the place where a game is going to be watched in a specific city and fans/alums gather to watch. If you read BC's blogger, atleagle, he routinely announces BC game watches for numerous major cities across America. I would never suggest that BC has a significant or credible "presence" in that market based on a fan video of other fans attending a game watch. Good lord! Frankly, given that it was a NC game, I would have expected more of your fans to be there than what was shown on that video.

I am talking about media presence and brand recognition in the market.

"They have virtually no presence in Boston." You were wrong.

Give it up. It was one example of numerous bars in Boston.

No I don't think I am wrong. Alumni/fan gatherings in major cities have been customary for big games. BC does them too. It has nothing to do with an indication of the broader presence in a market. Plus,this was the MBB NC championship game for god sakes. How many large sports gatherings in Boston occurred last week for the Uconn/MD game, or the Uconn/Louisville FB game - other than the usual game watch stuff that, as I said earlier, occur with lots of schools?

(11-15-2013 10:42 AM)Eagle78 Wrote:  

(11-15-2013 08:40 AM)uconnwhaler Wrote:  

(11-15-2013 07:54 AM)Hank Schrader Wrote:  

(11-15-2013 07:49 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  Hank, Louisville was more valuable to the ACC than Connecticut, get over it dude. Your in the AAC!

Get out really? Is that why your school was added? Strong argument Wilk.

Unfortunately, that does not change my position that Hartford is a very valuable market wide open for a conference to claim.

Anytime you can get the #2 team in Kentucky you have to jump on it.

Seriously, any L'Ville fan who thinks they are in because of their athletics/markets and not because of a powerplay by the football schools against Tobacco Road is nuts. You should be grateful for the fact that you got one of the last life rafts, but know the context. First, it was originally Cuse/UConn going to the ACC before BCU blocked it and got Pitt in (no thought of L'Ville), then when UMD left Swofford told Aresco that UConn was being invited (see press conferences with Aresco talking about the strength of AAC w/ LVille & Cinci).

But yeah, L'Ville is a crown jewel.

Help me, what am I not getting here? According to you, Aresco does not mention Uconn in a press conference so that means that Swofford told Aresco that Uconn was being invited to the ACC? Bit of a stretch, wouldn't you say?

BC single handily blocked Uconn from an ACC invite? This comment is humorous since Uconn fans have long bashed BC as having no power or influence in the ACC. Suddenly, when it suits you guys, that logic gets thrown out the window and now BC was this all-powerful entity that, on its own, "dictated" to the ACC that Uconn not be invited? Hate to break this to you - but FOUR votes were needed to block an invite. Did BC vote no? According the former AD, yes they did. However, BC did not have anywhere near the ability to block anyone on its own.



I know you guys love to propagate that myth on your own board, but that won't wash here.

BC, FSU, GT, and Clemson will never vote for UConn unless somehow BC and Syracuse disappear. FSU/GT/Clemson vote based on pure self interest in football. For BC it's an existential vote based on dominating New England. These four are enough, but there are others who remain unhappy with UConn and Connecticut politics.

The Presidents and Chancellors still run the ACC when it comes to major matters - just like it is in the P12 or B10. Swofford can recommend but he's not God.

(11-15-2013 11:02 AM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(11-15-2013 10:42 AM)Eagle78 Wrote:  

(11-15-2013 08:40 AM)uconnwhaler Wrote:  

(11-15-2013 07:54 AM)Hank Schrader Wrote:  

(11-15-2013 07:49 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  Hank, Louisville was more valuable to the ACC than Connecticut, get over it dude. Your in the AAC!

Get out really? Is that why your school was added? Strong argument Wilk.

Unfortunately, that does not change my position that Hartford is a very valuable market wide open for a conference to claim.

Anytime you can get the #2 team in Kentucky you have to jump on it.

Seriously, any L'Ville fan who thinks they are in because of their athletics/markets and not because of a powerplay by the football schools against Tobacco Road is nuts. You should be grateful for the fact that you got one of the last life rafts, but know the context. First, it was originally Cuse/UConn going to the ACC before BCU blocked it and got Pitt in (no thought of L'Ville), then when UMD left Swofford told Aresco that UConn was being invited (see press conferences with Aresco talking about the strength of AAC w/ LVille & Cinci).

But yeah, L'Ville is a crown jewel.

Help me, what am I not getting here? According to you, Aresco does not mention Uconn in a press conference so that means that Swofford told Aresco that Uconn was being invited to the ACC? Bit of a stretch, wouldn't you say?

BC single handily blocked Uconn from an ACC invite? This comment is humorous since Uconn fans have long bashed BC as having no power or influence in the ACC. Suddenly, when it suits you guys, that logic gets thrown out the window and now BC was this all-powerful entity that, on its own, "dictated" to the ACC that Uconn not be invited? Hate to break this to you - but FOUR votes were needed to block an invite. Did BC vote no? According the former AD, yes they did. However, BC did not have anywhere near the ability to block anyone on its own.



I know you guys love to propagate that myth on your own board, but that won't wash here.

BC, FSU, GT, and Clemson will never vote for UConn unless somehow BC and Syracuse disappear. FSU/GT/Clemson vote based on pure self interest in football. For BC it's an existential vote based on dominating New England. These four are enough, but there are others who remain unhappy with UConn and Connecticut politics.

The Presidents and Chancellors still run the ACC when it comes to major matters - just like it is in the P12 or B10. Swofford can recommend but he's not God.

Agree with your comments, Lumberpack4. There were a number of factors that went into the recent ACC decisions. BC's vote was only one in a number of items. To make the claim that Uconn did not get into the ACC singularly or largely due to a "BC block" is absurd, IMO.

(11-14-2013 03:38 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  Now let's look at less prominent options:
2. Cincy - Louisiville and ND encroach on their market - they are of no interest to ND

I would just add that Louisville and Cincinnati do not encroach on each other's markets. Cincinnati pro teams reach into the Louisville market, but the college teams do not overlap. Plus solid teams trump markets, even using the ACC's past expansion as a guide considering 2 teams from within the current footprint were the first two additions, and 2 "smaller" market teams being chosen over 2 teams with larger market.

(11-14-2013 03:38 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  We do have positives though: the women's game is usually fun, and by beating ND in SB we put the nail in the Weiss coffin. But really, the biggest trump card would be if we offered to play our home football games (or some subset) in NY / Boston. ND has a ton of alumni out this way and it would probably do them well to play in the region for fundraising.

With Syracuse playing their games in NY, and ND playing BC, I am not sure that helps

(11-14-2013 03:38 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  On the Cinci note, why would ND prefer them? ND hates the Midwest

If ND "hated" the Midwest, they would not play Michigan St, Purdue, and Michigan every year. They "hate" being classified as Midwestern, so they don't want to join the Big Ten. Big difference. I don't know that Cincy "helps" with ND, but they don't hurt I would not imagine.

(11-14-2013 04:53 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  People act as if UF has the state on lockdown. It doesn't. Their popularity spiked in the mid/late 00's due to the titles they won but it's been slowly declining since.

Am I mistaken in remembering in the 90's that Florida State was the more popular team? I know they were nationwide, but I can't tell how they did in Florida.

(11-15-2013 08:40 AM)uconnwhaler Wrote:  Seriously, any L'Ville fan who thinks they are in because of their athletics/markets and not because of a powerplay by the football schools against Tobacco Road is nuts.

Did you actually read what you just wrote? Because it makes no sense.

Cincinnati and Louisville don't have overlapping TV markets, but we definitely have overlapping recruiting territory. I have to think that we're better off with Cincinnati kids not having an ACC option in their back yard.

(11-15-2013 01:22 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(11-15-2013 08:40 AM)uconnwhaler Wrote:  Seriously, any L'Ville fan who thinks they are in because of their athletics/markets and not because of a powerplay by the football schools against Tobacco Road is nuts.

Did you actually read what you just wrote? Because it makes no sense.

I not only read it, but I wrote it and supported it.

So to make sure I have this right. You are saying Louisville was NOT picked due to athletics, but were instead picked because of a power player by FSU and Clemson who wanted.... more athletically competent teams? That is your argument?

so I ask again? Did you actually read what you just wrote?

(11-15-2013 01:42 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  So to make sure I have this right. You are saying Louisville was NOT picked due to athletics, but were instead picked because of a power player by FSU and Clemson who wanted.... more athletically competent teams? That is your argument?

so I ask again? Did you actually read what you just wrote?

It had nothing to do with "athletically competent teams." Good God, people act like L'Ville is a dominant football program, its not. They have had a good three year run, but even in that run and with the ACC invite and league title on the line they lost to a terrible, terrible UConn football team at home. FSU/Clemson were more concerned with politics and regional identity than "competence".

(11-15-2013 01:47 PM)uconnwhaler Wrote:  

(11-15-2013 01:42 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  So to make sure I have this right. You are saying Louisville was NOT picked due to athletics, but were instead picked because of a power player by FSU and Clemson who wanted.... more athletically competent teams? That is your argument?

so I ask again? Did you actually read what you just wrote?

It had nothing to do with "athletically competent teams." Good God, people act like L'Ville is a dominant football program, its not. They have had a good three year run, but even in that run and with the ACC invite and league title on the line they lost to a terrible, terrible UConn football team at home. FSU/Clemson were more concerned with politics and regional identity than "competence".

Wrong.

FSU and Clemson were concerned about football, and as I have noted above UConn has a very low ceiling and would be a drain rather than an asset to the football school.

And that "good three year run" that is so overrated, compares how to UConn?

The point was, they specifically rebelled against UConn because of their football program and support. Call it what you want, but it Swiss cheese's your statement. That was why I asked you twice if you read what you wrote, because that seemed to be acknowledged in your statement, and you didn't even realize it. IT was reported on multiple occasions by multiple people that the reason UConn was not picked, and the reason Cincinnati and Louisville were considered, was due to athletic competency (i.e. football). Doesn't matter what you think. That is what THEY think.