(11-13-2013 11:32 PM)k2tigers Wrote:  TB,

We get it. For somebody who doesn't really care, you have an odd way of showing it in this forum.

He won't get it....according to Bill, it's okay for an employee to take constant digs at his employer and still expect to be retained.

Had a seat tonight not far behind the grizz bench. Some fans were definitely letting their opinions be heard. One fan caught the attention of the bench and security came over to talk to them right after that.

(11-13-2013 10:25 PM)dwalker85 Wrote:  I WAS ALL FOR GIVING HOLLINS THE BOOT, BUT THIS SH!T IS HARD TO WATCH!!!!!!!!!!

I never understood why anyone was for giving Hollins the boot, especially if it wasn't for a better coach with an actual NBA track record.

(11-13-2013 10:39 PM)mairving Wrote:  

(11-13-2013 10:27 PM)snowmenz Wrote:  I was in OSUT from April - August ... why did the Grizz get rid of Hollins anyways?

He wanted to do stuff like make coaching decisions. The owners wanted to make some of those decisions for him. Hard to believe this is basically the same team but with a different coach. They could turn it around but I am afraid it might be like their 4th quarter rallies and come up short. Only possible positive is that getting Wiggins, Randle or Parker would be a good thing.

POTY

44 points at halftime. Grizz score 26 points in the first 8 minutes of the 3rd to tie the game at 70. With just under 7 minutes left in the 4th quarter, grizz have 74 points. In that time raptors ran off 22 points. Game over.

The defense was lazy last night. I'm not so sure the team is on the same page with the new coach. Zbo didn't look very happy during the last timeout. I just hope there is no internal problems that haven't surfaced yet.

(11-14-2013 08:41 AM)tmoneyinmphs Wrote:  44 points at halftime. Grizz score 26 points in the first 8 minutes of the 3rd to tie the game at 70. With just under 7 minutes left in the 4th quarter, grizz have 74 points. In that time raptors ran off 22 points. Game over.

The defense was lazy last night. I'm not so sure the team is on the same page with the new coach. Zbo didn't look very happy during the last timeout. I just hope there is no internal problems that haven't surfaced yet.

The internal problems probably have to do with getting killed nearly every single game.

One of the saddest parts to me while watching the game on TV was that you could hear the refs, players and coaches fairly clear because the crowd was so quiet.

(11-14-2013 09:12 AM)mairving Wrote:  

(11-14-2013 08:41 AM)tmoneyinmphs Wrote:  44 points at halftime. Grizz score 26 points in the first 8 minutes of the 3rd to tie the game at 70. With just under 7 minutes left in the 4th quarter, grizz have 74 points. In that time raptors ran off 22 points. Game over.

The defense was lazy last night. I'm not so sure the team is on the same page with the new coach. Zbo didn't look very happy during the last timeout. I just hope there is no internal problems that haven't surfaced yet.

The internal problems probably have to do with getting killed nearly every single game.

One of the saddest parts to me while watching the game on TV was that you could hear the refs, players and coaches fairly clear because the crowd was so quiet.

Winning would probably cure a lot of it, that's for sure. I wonder if this stuff was simmering last year and Hollins just kept a lid on it, or it's new. Joerger seems like a good enough guy, and the players say they really like him, so I wonder where it's all coming from.

As one NBA scout told Tillery after one of our first few games, "they're either going to need to change the way they play or change their personnel, real fast".

square peg in round hole it seems

(11-14-2013 10:35 AM)k2tigers Wrote:  As one NBA scout told Tillery after one of our first few games, "they're either going to need to change the way they play or change their personnel, real fast".

square peg in round hole it seems

Something strange going on.

Yep. Maybe their lack of shooting and athleticsm was better masked by Hollins than it is now. I know, Captain Obvious I suppose.

(11-14-2013 10:42 AM)k2tigers Wrote:  Yep. Maybe their lack of shooting and athleticsm was better masked by Hollins than it is now. I know, Captain Obvious I suppose.

How about their lack of stars?

Z-Bo once was a top twenty NBA player (even though he was underrated as being a cancer), but Mike Conley and Marc Gasol have been overrated for a long time. They are good, borderline All-Star players, but neither can carry a team.

The Grizz made magic against teams with better talent. At what point to people credit coaching for that happening?

^^ totally agree

(11-14-2013 10:42 AM)k2tigers Wrote:  Yep. Maybe their lack of shooting and athleticsm was better masked by Hollins than it is now. I know, Captain Obvious I suppose.

I have been bashed by merely suggesting that Hollins was a good coach, by all of the experts who know far more about the NBA than me. So it can't be that Hollins was a good coach, there must be another reason.

(11-14-2013 10:35 AM)k2tigers Wrote:  As one NBA scout told Tillery after one of our first few games, "they're either going to need to change the way they play or change their personnel, real fast".

square peg in round hole it seems

The emphasis going into this year was to play at a faster pace on offense, and we pick up 33 year old mike miller. We are not the youngest team in the nba.

Lol...Bill doing his old schtick again. No on disagrees Hollins was a good coach...everyone on this board agrees. In any job, when you don't get along with your employers, your are let go...simple as that.

(11-14-2013 11:27 AM)TigerBill Wrote:  

(11-14-2013 10:42 AM)k2tigers Wrote:  Yep. Maybe their lack of shooting and athleticsm was better masked by Hollins than it is now. I know, Captain Obvious I suppose.

I have been bashed by merely suggesting that Hollins was a good coach, by all of the experts who know far more about the NBA than me. So it can't be that Hollins was a good coach, there must be another reason.

That's what everyone is asking now. Could hollins had done better so far with this team?

Think of actual nba experience. Hollins was the 6th pick in the 1975 nba draft and made the all rookie nba first team. Then he won a nba championship. He had one nba all star appearance. He was on the first team nba defensive team for two straight years. Lionel hollins has been there done that. Joerger does not have that experience.

Plus, you got a big age difference between a 60 year old coach and a 39 year old coach. One is old enough to be your dad and the other is not.

Then you got the new owner thing going on and the questions on how that affects the future.

Think of how all of that plays in to how a player responds to this coach. Is it making a difference?

(11-14-2013 12:51 PM)tiger1016 Wrote:  Lol...Bill doing his old schtick again. No on disagrees Hollins was a good coach...everyone on this board agrees. In any job, when you don't get along with your employers, your are let go...simple as that.

Hollins was definitely stubborn and is something he should work on.

This might be one of those cases where both sides lose due to the breakup.

(11-14-2013 12:56 PM)tmoneyinmphs Wrote:  

(11-14-2013 11:27 AM)TigerBill Wrote:  

(11-14-2013 10:42 AM)k2tigers Wrote:  Yep. Maybe their lack of shooting and athleticsm was better masked by Hollins than it is now. I know, Captain Obvious I suppose.

I have been bashed by merely suggesting that Hollins was a good coach, by all of the experts who know far more about the NBA than me. So it can't be that Hollins was a good coach, there must be another reason.

That's what everyone is asking now. Could hollins had done better so far with this team?

Think of actual nba experience. Hollins was the 6th pick in the 1975 nba draft and made the all rookie nba first team. Then he won a nba championship. He had one nba all star appearance. He was on the first team nba defensive team for two straight years. Lionel hollins has been there done that. Joerger does not have that experience.

Plus, you got a big age difference between a 60 year old coach and a 39 year old coach. One is old enough to be your dad and the other is not.

Then you got the new owner thing going on and the questions on how that affects the future.

Think of how all of that plays in to how a player responds to this coach. Is it making a difference?

Beats me, but it certainly appears that way. Of course, the season is still young and Joerger might find the right buttons to push. No reason to panic.

(11-14-2013 01:00 PM)tmoneyinmphs Wrote:  

(11-14-2013 12:51 PM)tiger1016 Wrote:  Lol...Bill doing his old schtick again. No on disagrees Hollins was a good coach...everyone on this board agrees. In any job, when you don't get along with your employers, your are let go...simple as that.

Hollins was definitely stubborn and is something he should work on.

This might be one of those cases where both sides lose due to the breakup.

And it should be noted that he did not get another job, so that tells us something. It could also be a case where his particular personality just happened to be perfect for last year's assembled group of players, but would not work elsewhere.

The defense is a big problem right now and of course the passive play of Gasol. Our starters needs to get their s**t together or maybe the coach has to alter the lineup.