23 fouls called in the first 14 minutes of the Marshall game this evening.

It's terrible. If they want to increase scoring, then enforce anti-flopping rules and get guys out of the damn paint.

(11-12-2013 07:49 PM)banker Wrote:  23 fouls called in the first 14 minutes of the Marshall game this evening.

There were a lot of calls in the first half of Charlotte's game and it was frustrating, but the refs let them play in the 2nd.

If most of the season is going to be like the first half of our game, I'm not going to like it very much.

(11-12-2013 07:49 PM)banker Wrote:  23 fouls called in the first 14 minutes of the Marshall game this evening.

Just wait till the capital classic. If you thought it was a foul fest before just wait.

Steve Cotton said last night during the broadcast that there was a game Monday night that had 70+ fouls called and over 100 free throws shot. That is just stupid. The rules were made to increase flow but they are just hurting it. I saw players last night just stepping out of the way because they were afraid to get up on the player driving because they knew a foul would be called. I want to see late 80s early 90s basktball. No blood no foul. Some bad boy Pistions type ball. That was fun. Not this crap where getting up on a ball handler draws 2 shots.

Some UNCG freshman shot 19 foul shots vs us and this was our first real game vs players that could take us off the dribble. About 5 or 6 were nothing more than us having a hand on him when he made his move.

Lebo said after the game that they say they are going to enforce this every year but that if they were going to call every game like this it would really take a year or two for the coaches and players to fully adjust to it. My impression was he wasn't a believer that they would really call it like this but really is now.

I could see them calling it overly tight to start the year and try to make the point then back off after a few weeks. They also said that charges would be a lot more rare to and that most teams will have to stop going for them.

This is how I remember basketball being played in the 70's and 80's. I loved the game then, because it was about skills and fundamentals.

Then the schools in the Big Ten started playing football on a basketball court and then the Big East schools started doing it. And then schools like Southern Miss and Charlotte started doing it; so now the NCAA is taking the game back. I like to see the skills that the players have, but every little touch should not be called a foul.

(11-13-2013 10:02 AM)BleedsGreen33 Wrote:  

(11-12-2013 07:49 PM)banker Wrote:  23 fouls called in the first 14 minutes of the Marshall game this evening.

Just wait till the capital classic. If you thought it was a foul fest before just wait.

Steve Cotton said last night during the broadcast that there was a game Monday night that had 70+ fouls called and over 100 free throws shot. That is just stupid. The rules were made to increase flow but they are just hurting it. I saw players last night just stepping out of the way because they were afraid to get up on the player driving because they knew a foul would be called. I want to see late 80s early 90s basktball. No blood no foul. Some bad boy Pistions type ball. That was fun. Not this crap where getting up on a ball handler draws 2 shots.

The problem with that is that those guys in the 80's and 90's were good basketball players that could actually shoot the ball. Now we have a bunch of wannabe "superstars" that can't shoot half as good and are more concerned about making highlights than winning. You could foul someone in the 80's and they would still make the shot and they would go to the line and make the shots therefore scoring never suffered. Now you have to just get out of the way and give a free run to the basket so points can be scored and you can feel more excited that the final score is 85-80 instead of 69-62. It's dumb but it's what we have and I don't have the willpower to ever stop watching basketball, it was my first love.

In in fact they enforce the rule from this point forward the way I saw it enforced last night in the ECU vs UNCG game it is going to have a huge impact on the way the game is played.

That freshman from UNCG was the one initiating the contact and then we were called for the foul. He would run straight at the defender then at the point of contact would spin…How do you defend that situation without fouling. I guess they expect you to just back pedal and give the offensive player the space he needs to shoot or penetrate.

Monday night against Rutgers, It felt like both teams spent the last 10 minutes of each half in the double bonus.

They started missing free throws and we started making them in the nick of time.

It is not a new rule. It's enforcement of rules already on the books.

IMO, this is one of the dumbest things the NCAA has done in awhile. I don't like it mainly because it's so open to interpretation by the zebras (and we all know how great of an idea it is giving CUSA asshat refs any sort of interpretive powers.) I also don't like it because quite frankly it's turning basketball into a ***** sport. Basketball players should be physically tough. If you can't handle the gauntlet of a couple body contacts and have the poise and athleticism to spin off the guy defending you, then sit your pansy ass down and let the big boys play.

Another shot at giving the upper tier schools more advantage over schools like us. Wichita State, Gonzaga, Butler, etc scares them s&@&less

(11-13-2013 11:01 AM)BeliefBlazer Wrote:  It is not a new rule. It's enforcement of rules already on the books.

You are right, but if the refs stopped enforcing the rule in the 80's, then for all intents and purposes it is a new rule. I like it, up to a point; but there is going to be some incidental contact in games.

(11-13-2013 11:05 AM)nastybunch Wrote:  Another shot at giving the upper tier schools more advantage over schools like us. Wichita State, Gonzaga, Butler, etc scares them s&@&less

The new rule probably hurts the upper tier schools more, because they were the ones that were able to land the 5* "6'10" super athletes that can't shoot a lick nor have any known actual basketball talent. IMO the new rule acutally favor the smaller schools more, because they usually have the highly skilled smaller quicker players (guards and forwards) that are good at initiating contact.

(11-13-2013 10:19 AM)MU42 Wrote:  The problem with that is that those guys in the 80's and 90's were good basketball players that could actually shoot the ball. Now we have a bunch of wannabe "superstars" that can't shoot half as good and are more concerned about making highlights than winning. You could foul someone in the 80's and they would still make the shot and they would go to the line and make the shots therefore scoring never suffered.

Neat story grand pa. I decided to check the NBA stats for reference since you can easily see the entire league wide numbers year by year.

2012-2013
.483 2pt FG%
.356 3pt FG% (7.1 made a game)
.753 FT %

1992-1993
.489 2pt FG%
.336 3pt FG% (3.0 made a game)
.754 FT %

1979-1980 (first year of the 3 pointer)
.488 2pt FG%
.280 3pt FG% (0.78 made a game)
.764 FT %

1962-1963
.441 2pt FG%
No 3 pt
.727 FT %

1952-1953
.370 2pt FG%
No 3 pt
.716 FT %

The shooters in todays game are better. Especially from distance.

...is this deja vu....we talked about this months ago, in a thread last week....blah, blah, blah....it sucks and is going to ruin college basketball for the average fan...it's a joke

(11-13-2013 11:13 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(11-13-2013 10:19 AM)MU42 Wrote:  The problem with that is that those guys in the 80's and 90's were good basketball players that could actually shoot the ball. Now we have a bunch of wannabe "superstars" that can't shoot half as good and are more concerned about making highlights than winning. You could foul someone in the 80's and they would still make the shot and they would go to the line and make the shots therefore scoring never suffered.

Neat story grand pa. I decided to check the NBA stats for reference since you can easily see the entire league wide numbers year by year.

2012-2013
.483 2pt FG%
.356 3pt FG% (7.1 made a game)
.753 FT %

1992-1993
.489 2pt FG%
.336 3pt FG% (3.0 made a game)
.754 FT %

1979-1980 (first year of the 3 pointer)
.488 2pt FG%
.280 3pt FG% (0.78 made a game)
.764 FT %

1965-1966
.433 2pt FG%
No 3 pt
.727 FT %

1952-1953
.370 2pt FG%
No 3 pt
.716 FT %

The shooters in todays game are better.

And this is when stats fail.

The 3 point line used to be much further back. They moved the line in back in the 90's, so that the shot could actually become a weapon in the game. Another rule that they changed in the 90's was the no contact rule that you are seeing the NCAA implement right now. Before the 90's players used to get mugged (remember the bad boys of Detroit) and there were not as many fouls called for the physical play. In the 90's they changed the rules to allow freedom of movement for the players, which is why you see guys like Kobe Bryant and LeBron James actually being able to do the stuff they do without getting pounded on.

(11-13-2013 11:16 AM)PirateMarv Wrote:  And this is when stats fail.

The 3 point line used to be much further back. They moved the line in back in the 90's, so that the shot could actually become a weapon in the game.

You are wrong. They moved it in for 2 years around 1996 when Jordan came back and then moved it exactly back to where it was 2 years later.

It's a friggen joke just how much better better the shooters are at distance today.

Also in the college game they did move it back about 6 or 7 years ago a foot or so which makes what a guy like Richmond did last year at the pace he hit that much more impressive.

(11-13-2013 11:19 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(11-13-2013 11:16 AM)PirateMarv Wrote:  And this is when stats fail.

The 3 point line used to be much further back. They moved the line in back in the 90's, so that the shot could actually become a weapon in the game.

You are wrong. They moved it in for 2 years around 1996 when Jordan came back and then moved it exactly back to where it was 2 years later.

It's a friggen joke just how much better better the shooters are at distance today.

Also in the college game they did move it back about 6 or 7 years ago a foot or so which makes what a guy like Richmond did last year at the pace he hit that much more impressive.

There are guys on this board that have been watching basketball for a very long time and they can tell you about those NBA rule changes that favored the offensive players. That is why you see an increase in the shooting percentages. The guys in the old days were much better shooters and they did that with guys hanging all over them.

(11-13-2013 11:24 AM)PirateMarv Wrote:  There are guys on this board that have been watching basketball for a very long time and they can tell you about those NBA rule changes that favored the offensive players. That is why you see an increase in the shooting percentages. The guys in the old days were much better shooters and they did that with guys hanging all over them.

Perception is not always reality. The 1980's were the golden years of offense in the NBA and run and gun where no one was stopping anyone or playing any defense. A couple years ago in the NBA was one of the lowest season scoring averages in NBA history. They shoot about the same but the game is a lot slower and less offensive now.

2013
PPG 98.1

2012
PPG 96.3

2011
PPG 99.6



2003
PPG 95.1

1993
PPG 105.1

1983
PPG 108.5

1963
PPG 115.3

1953
PPG 82.7


Cool story's though.