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RE: Would you have a problem with A.J. McCarron winning the Heisman?
(11-17-2013 03:24 PM)stever20 Wrote:  
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(11-17-2013 03:19 PM)stever20 Wrote:  
(11-17-2013 03:12 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  Johnny Football is hurt by a lot of factors, biggest among them is the losses to two division rivals.

I think Winston is the most exciting player in college football. Hopefully the allegations against him prove to be unfounded.

I think Johnny Football still has a great shot to win. For one, in the next few weeks when voters are going to be voting, he's got games with LSU and Missouri. He has another 2 great games and he's going to be right in there. not saying he'll win- but it isn't out of the question at all.

I agree; It certainly is more than possible for him to win it.

I think a loss to either of those teams will put him away though.

I agree with you 100%. The thing I wonder, if he has 2 incredible games, almost is there anything Winston could do about it? Remaining schedule for them is Idaho, Florida, and Duke.

I think Winston could end up scoring some major points with voters in the Duke game. I know, it sounds odd but Duke is playing well and turning some heads.

First kid to lose a game loses the Heisman in my opinion.

Manziel still has that unbelievable ability to make crazy throws and extend plays but I'd have to say I think Winston is more athletic. The reason I say that is if you look at the unholy throws that each makes across their body.
11-17-2013 03:26 PM
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RE: Would you have a problem with A.J. McCarron winning the Heisman?
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(11-17-2013 01:07 PM)JRsec Wrote:  McCarron already has Kathrine Webb he doesn't need a Heisman. But those of you who say he doesn't have the numbers are correct. The award is for the most outstanding football player, not the quarterback of the most outstanding team. ESPN has morphed it into that which it was never intended to be. I don't know if Winstin or Manziel are the most outstanding, but they are certainly among the top 5 of whoever they might be. The award is not really supposed to be reserved for members of teams who are in contention. That has also become a marketing ploy for the "Mouse". They like a nice neat little package of best team, best player. I miss the days when it could go to a Staubach or a George Rogers. Those guys wouldn't even be invited to the banquet today. It's a shame. And one last point Mariota shouldn't be out (even though he will be invited to the banquet) because of 1 lost game.

First off- watched a show on CBSSN about the Army/Navy '63 game- Navy was ranked #2. So, Staubach absolutely would have gotten the award that year even in today's scene. Not as sure about Rogers.

Mariota isn't out because of the lost game but moreso because he played like crap in that lost game. The others played well in their losses if they had any.
I knew Navy was ranked #2 but it was past the era of Service Academy football prominence. He was very deserving in every regard. Today however I'm not sure a cadet would get consideration no matter what. I admit I could be wrong about that, but they aren't the commercial commodity that most want to push. There have been others over the years that played on 2 and 3 loss teams that have won but couldn't win today.

As for Mariota, his whole team was outplayed in that loss. Oregon was exposed and really what I can't see is why they are still ranked where they are. Right now I see a large gap between Alabama, Florida State, and Ohio State and the rest with one exception, Baylor. Baylor could be every bit as good as the top three, or they could be an Oregon waiting to be exposed. Right now nobody knows for sure but they are gaining credibility each week.

My main point Stever was that it should still be an award for the most outstanding player, not the best player on the most outstanding team.
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11-17-2013 03:58 PM
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RE: Would you have a problem with A.J. McCarron winning the Heisman?
(11-17-2013 03:20 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  
(11-17-2013 03:19 PM)stever20 Wrote:  
(11-17-2013 03:12 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  Johnny Football is hurt by a lot of factors, biggest among them is the losses to two division rivals.

I think Winston is the most exciting player in college football. Hopefully the allegations against him prove to be unfounded.

I think Johnny Football still has a great shot to win. For one, in the next few weeks when voters are going to be voting, he's got games with LSU and Missouri. He has another 2 great games and he's going to be right in there. not saying he'll win- but it isn't out of the question at all.

I agree; It certainly is more than possible for him to win it.

I think a loss to either of those teams will put him away though.

I think voters are smart enough to realize that his defense if gawd awful so a loss in either game may nit be something he can control. Texas A&Ms defense is bad enough to keep enyone in the game against them.
11-17-2013 11:29 PM
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RE: Would you have a problem with A.J. McCarron winning the Heisman?
(11-17-2013 03:58 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(11-17-2013 03:14 PM)stever20 Wrote:  
(11-17-2013 01:07 PM)JRsec Wrote:  McCarron already has Kathrine Webb he doesn't need a Heisman. But those of you who say he doesn't have the numbers are correct. The award is for the most outstanding football player, not the quarterback of the most outstanding team. ESPN has morphed it into that which it was never intended to be. I don't know if Winstin or Manziel are the most outstanding, but they are certainly among the top 5 of whoever they might be. The award is not really supposed to be reserved for members of teams who are in contention. That has also become a marketing ploy for the "Mouse". They like a nice neat little package of best team, best player. I miss the days when it could go to a Staubach or a George Rogers. Those guys wouldn't even be invited to the banquet today. It's a shame. And one last point Mariota shouldn't be out (even though he will be invited to the banquet) because of 1 lost game.

First off- watched a show on CBSSN about the Army/Navy '63 game- Navy was ranked #2. So, Staubach absolutely would have gotten the award that year even in today's scene. Not as sure about Rogers.

Mariota isn't out because of the lost game but moreso because he played like crap in that lost game. The others played well in their losses if they had any.
I knew Navy was ranked #2 but it was past the era of Service Academy football prominence. He was very deserving in every regard. Today however I'm not sure a cadet would get consideration no matter what. I admit I could be wrong about that, but they aren't the commercial commodity that most want to push. There have been others over the years that played on 2 and 3 loss teams that have won but couldn't win today.

As for Mariota, his whole team was outplayed in that loss. Oregon was exposed and really what I can't see is why they are still ranked where they are. Right now I see a large gap between Alabama, Florida State, and Ohio State and the rest with one exception, Baylor. Baylor could be every bit as good as the top three, or they could be an Oregon waiting to be exposed. Right now nobody knows for sure but they are gaining credibility each week.

My main point Stever was that it should still be an award for the most outstanding player, not the best player on the most outstanding team.

I think we saw what you were/are wanting 2 years ago with RG3. Baylor that year was hardly the best team(not even as good as they are this year)- but he still won it.

I think if a Navy ever got to be #2 in the country again, they would get not only consideration, but quite frankly a disproportionate amount of attention quite frankly!!!! It'd be all we are hearing. And, yes, that would impact the Heisman if they had a player a la Roger Staubach come thru again!
11-17-2013 11:41 PM
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