(11-12-2013 11:16 AM)S11 Wrote:  

(11-10-2013 09:53 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(11-10-2013 09:44 PM)samandrea Wrote:  

(11-10-2013 09:40 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(11-10-2013 09:38 PM)samandrea Wrote:  Stanford will not be ahead of OSU in human polls at any time, thus by the end, they will not pass OSU.

Then how are they so close. Ohio St will continue to drop and drop in the computers.. Being ahead of them in the human polls DOES NOT MATTER. See Baylor vs Stanford this week.

Stanford is not going any higher in human polls. The loss is going to keep them behind OSU. Baylor is not going to get a huge bump form Tex Tech. If they beat Ok St, they will get a bump up in computers and a bump from beating Tex. Their schedule is only a little better than OSU. The human polls, when it comes down to it, will vote more OSU's was because they can see that they are the better team.

Baylor will absolutely get a bump in the computers for beating Texas Tech. You add in Colley Baylor and Ohio State winning and Baylor will pass Ohio St. Their schedule, especially if Ohio St has to play Nebraska instead of Michigan State, is better. It's close enough in the computers that will make the difference.

Exactly. I expect to pass tOSU and I expect as Stanford's loss (Utah) continues to lose the voters won't give them as much credit for the Oregon game.

FSU probably has too much voter love to be passed unless some flukey 5th down thing happens to make voters penalize them.

The thing about Stanford that is interesting is they have an absolute floor. In the coaches, they are only 5 votes away from being a unanimous #5. In Harris a bit more respect- they are 35 votes away. So Stanford already is getting dinged a lot, and it's not helped yet. I think it does change this week as Baylor's computer numbers get stronger.

What I'd be concerned about vs Ohio St is I don't know if Baylor will be able to pass Stanford in the computers, giving them a bigger gap in the computers compared to Ohio St.

(11-12-2013 11:22 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(11-12-2013 11:16 AM)S11 Wrote:  

(11-10-2013 09:53 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(11-10-2013 09:44 PM)samandrea Wrote:  

(11-10-2013 09:40 PM)stever20 Wrote:  Then how are they so close. Ohio St will continue to drop and drop in the computers.. Being ahead of them in the human polls DOES NOT MATTER. See Baylor vs Stanford this week.

Stanford is not going any higher in human polls. The loss is going to keep them behind OSU. Baylor is not going to get a huge bump form Tex Tech. If they beat Ok St, they will get a bump up in computers and a bump from beating Tex. Their schedule is only a little better than OSU. The human polls, when it comes down to it, will vote more OSU's was because they can see that they are the better team.

Baylor will absolutely get a bump in the computers for beating Texas Tech. You add in Colley Baylor and Ohio State winning and Baylor will pass Ohio St. Their schedule, especially if Ohio St has to play Nebraska instead of Michigan State, is better. It's close enough in the computers that will make the difference.

Exactly. I expect to pass tOSU and I expect as Stanford's loss (Utah) continues to lose the voters won't give them as much credit for the Oregon game.

FSU probably has too much voter love to be passed unless some flukey 5th down thing happens to make voters penalize them.

The thing about Stanford that is interesting is they have an absolute floor. In the coaches, they are only 5 votes away from being a unanimous #5. In Harris a bit more respect- they are 35 votes away. So Stanford already is getting dinged a lot, and it's not helped yet. I think it does change this week as Baylor's computer numbers get stronger.

What I'd be concerned about vs Ohio St is I don't know if Baylor will be able to pass Stanford in the computers, giving them a bigger gap in the computers compared to Ohio St.

We won't catch them in the computers but if FSU or Bama lose we'll kill them in the polls. Also I think their computers take a hit once Cal gets factored in.

As for tOSU we are close enough in the polls already that once our tougher games join the CPU rankings the Buckeyes will need gerrymandered polls to stay ahead of us.

(11-12-2013 11:26 AM)S11 Wrote:  

(11-12-2013 11:22 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(11-12-2013 11:16 AM)S11 Wrote:  

(11-10-2013 09:53 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(11-10-2013 09:44 PM)samandrea Wrote:  Stanford is not going any higher in human polls. The loss is going to keep them behind OSU. Baylor is not going to get a huge bump form Tex Tech. If they beat Ok St, they will get a bump up in computers and a bump from beating Tex. Their schedule is only a little better than OSU. The human polls, when it comes down to it, will vote more OSU's was because they can see that they are the better team.

Baylor will absolutely get a bump in the computers for beating Texas Tech. You add in Colley Baylor and Ohio State winning and Baylor will pass Ohio St. Their schedule, especially if Ohio St has to play Nebraska instead of Michigan State, is better. It's close enough in the computers that will make the difference.

Exactly. I expect to pass tOSU and I expect as Stanford's loss (Utah) continues to lose the voters won't give them as much credit for the Oregon game.

FSU probably has too much voter love to be passed unless some flukey 5th down thing happens to make voters penalize them.

The thing about Stanford that is interesting is they have an absolute floor. In the coaches, they are only 5 votes away from being a unanimous #5. In Harris a bit more respect- they are 35 votes away. So Stanford already is getting dinged a lot, and it's not helped yet. I think it does change this week as Baylor's computer numbers get stronger.

What I'd be concerned about vs Ohio St is I don't know if Baylor will be able to pass Stanford in the computers, giving them a bigger gap in the computers compared to Ohio St.

We won't catch them in the computers but if FSU or Bama lose we'll kill them in the polls. Also I think their computers take a hit once Cal gets factored in.

As for tOSU we are close enough in the polls already that once our tougher games join the CPU rankings the Buckeyes will need gerrymandered polls to stay ahead of us.

And that is what they will have. The human polls will like OSU better than BAylor all day and that margin will grow I think as the season goes along. Baylor would have to smash their Ok St and Texas and Texas Tech and have OSU slide by Illinois and Indiana to change that.

(11-12-2013 11:26 AM)S11 Wrote:  

(11-12-2013 11:22 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(11-12-2013 11:16 AM)S11 Wrote:  

(11-10-2013 09:53 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(11-10-2013 09:44 PM)samandrea Wrote:  Stanford is not going any higher in human polls. The loss is going to keep them behind OSU. Baylor is not going to get a huge bump form Tex Tech. If they beat Ok St, they will get a bump up in computers and a bump from beating Tex. Their schedule is only a little better than OSU. The human polls, when it comes down to it, will vote more OSU's was because they can see that they are the better team.

Baylor will absolutely get a bump in the computers for beating Texas Tech. You add in Colley Baylor and Ohio State winning and Baylor will pass Ohio St. Their schedule, especially if Ohio St has to play Nebraska instead of Michigan State, is better. It's close enough in the computers that will make the difference.

Exactly. I expect to pass tOSU and I expect as Stanford's loss (Utah) continues to lose the voters won't give them as much credit for the Oregon game.

FSU probably has too much voter love to be passed unless some flukey 5th down thing happens to make voters penalize them.

The thing about Stanford that is interesting is they have an absolute floor. In the coaches, they are only 5 votes away from being a unanimous #5. In Harris a bit more respect- they are 35 votes away. So Stanford already is getting dinged a lot, and it's not helped yet. I think it does change this week as Baylor's computer numbers get stronger.

What I'd be concerned about vs Ohio St is I don't know if Baylor will be able to pass Stanford in the computers, giving them a bigger gap in the computers compared to Ohio St.

We won't catch them in the computers but if FSU or Bama lose we'll kill them in the polls. Also I think their computers take a hit once Cal gets factored in.

As for tOSU we are close enough in the polls already that once our tougher games join the CPU rankings the Buckeyes will need gerrymandered polls to stay ahead of us.

their computers do, however, it's made up by UCLA or Arizona St in the title game- that's stronger than Oklahoma St or Texas. It's close to a wash between you two, which makes it the team that is higher should remain higher. I think you might be at 40 Stanford at 42. Not a big difference at all.

If FSU or Bama loses, I would think they would fall behind BOTH of you. Your other problem is if Bama loses, you might get passed in the polls by the team that beats them (Auburn or Missouri).

(11-12-2013 11:37 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(11-12-2013 11:26 AM)S11 Wrote:  

(11-12-2013 11:22 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(11-12-2013 11:16 AM)S11 Wrote:  

(11-10-2013 09:53 PM)stever20 Wrote:  Baylor will absolutely get a bump in the computers for beating Texas Tech. You add in Colley Baylor and Ohio State winning and Baylor will pass Ohio St. Their schedule, especially if Ohio St has to play Nebraska instead of Michigan State, is better. It's close enough in the computers that will make the difference.

Exactly. I expect to pass tOSU and I expect as Stanford's loss (Utah) continues to lose the voters won't give them as much credit for the Oregon game.

FSU probably has too much voter love to be passed unless some flukey 5th down thing happens to make voters penalize them.

The thing about Stanford that is interesting is they have an absolute floor. In the coaches, they are only 5 votes away from being a unanimous #5. In Harris a bit more respect- they are 35 votes away. So Stanford already is getting dinged a lot, and it's not helped yet. I think it does change this week as Baylor's computer numbers get stronger.

What I'd be concerned about vs Ohio St is I don't know if Baylor will be able to pass Stanford in the computers, giving them a bigger gap in the computers compared to Ohio St.

We won't catch them in the computers but if FSU or Bama lose we'll kill them in the polls. Also I think their computers take a hit once Cal gets factored in.

As for tOSU we are close enough in the polls already that once our tougher games join the CPU rankings the Buckeyes will need gerrymandered polls to stay ahead of us.

their computers do, however, it's made up by UCLA or Arizona St in the title game- that's stronger than Oklahoma St or Texas. It's close to a wash between you two, which makes it the team that is higher should remain higher. I think you might be at 40 Stanford at 42. Not a big difference at all.

If FSU or Bama loses, I would think they would fall behind BOTH of you. Your other problem is if Bama loses, you might get passed in the polls by the team that beats them (Auburn or Missouri).

Cal is something like #136 in Sagarin. That will hurt Stanford far more than UCLA and ASU help them in the computers.

(11-12-2013 11:34 AM)samandrea Wrote:  

(11-12-2013 11:26 AM)S11 Wrote:  

(11-12-2013 11:22 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(11-12-2013 11:16 AM)S11 Wrote:  

(11-10-2013 09:53 PM)stever20 Wrote:  Baylor will absolutely get a bump in the computers for beating Texas Tech. You add in Colley Baylor and Ohio State winning and Baylor will pass Ohio St. Their schedule, especially if Ohio St has to play Nebraska instead of Michigan State, is better. It's close enough in the computers that will make the difference.

Exactly. I expect to pass tOSU and I expect as Stanford's loss (Utah) continues to lose the voters won't give them as much credit for the Oregon game.

FSU probably has too much voter love to be passed unless some flukey 5th down thing happens to make voters penalize them.

The thing about Stanford that is interesting is they have an absolute floor. In the coaches, they are only 5 votes away from being a unanimous #5. In Harris a bit more respect- they are 35 votes away. So Stanford already is getting dinged a lot, and it's not helped yet. I think it does change this week as Baylor's computer numbers get stronger.

What I'd be concerned about vs Ohio St is I don't know if Baylor will be able to pass Stanford in the computers, giving them a bigger gap in the computers compared to Ohio St.

We won't catch them in the computers but if FSU or Bama lose we'll kill them in the polls. Also I think their computers take a hit once Cal gets factored in.

As for tOSU we are close enough in the polls already that once our tougher games join the CPU rankings the Buckeyes will need gerrymandered polls to stay ahead of us.

And that is what they will have. The human polls will like OSU better than BAylor all day and that margin will grow I think as the season goes along. Baylor would have to smash their Ok St and Texas and Texas Tech and have OSU slide by Illinois and Indiana to change that.

If Baylor crushes folks the rest of the season- I don't see someone who is voting Baylor ahead would change their vote to Ohio St.

Also, if Alabama and FSU win out- we may never know what would have happened with the voters. I think easily that some voters if faced with a choice between Baylor and Ohio St- they could have made a choice based on who they wanted in the title game- and that could be different than who they think is better(who in the case of Alabama/FSU winning out, they would vote that way).

(11-12-2013 11:34 AM)samandrea Wrote:  

(11-12-2013 11:26 AM)S11 Wrote:  

(11-12-2013 11:22 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(11-12-2013 11:16 AM)S11 Wrote:  

(11-10-2013 09:53 PM)stever20 Wrote:  Baylor will absolutely get a bump in the computers for beating Texas Tech. You add in Colley Baylor and Ohio State winning and Baylor will pass Ohio St. Their schedule, especially if Ohio St has to play Nebraska instead of Michigan State, is better. It's close enough in the computers that will make the difference.

Exactly. I expect to pass tOSU and I expect as Stanford's loss (Utah) continues to lose the voters won't give them as much credit for the Oregon game.

FSU probably has too much voter love to be passed unless some flukey 5th down thing happens to make voters penalize them.

The thing about Stanford that is interesting is they have an absolute floor. In the coaches, they are only 5 votes away from being a unanimous #5. In Harris a bit more respect- they are 35 votes away. So Stanford already is getting dinged a lot, and it's not helped yet. I think it does change this week as Baylor's computer numbers get stronger.

What I'd be concerned about vs Ohio St is I don't know if Baylor will be able to pass Stanford in the computers, giving them a bigger gap in the computers compared to Ohio St.

We won't catch them in the computers but if FSU or Bama lose we'll kill them in the polls. Also I think their computers take a hit once Cal gets factored in.

As for tOSU we are close enough in the polls already that once our tougher games join the CPU rankings the Buckeyes will need gerrymandered polls to stay ahead of us.

And that is what they will have. The human polls will like OSU better than BAylor all day and that margin will grow I think as the season goes along. Baylor would have to smash their Ok St and Texas and Texas Tech and have OSU slide by Illinois and Indiana to change that.

I don't think so. Ohio State has to get a TON of help. We've got them practically tied on human poll points and will pass them in the cpu's. Unless there is a dramatic voter movement for them and against us I just don't see it. Their schedule is crap from here out, they aren't as impressive, and won't merely have to out poll us- they have to outpoll well enough to get rid of the CPU edge.

Very little chance the buckeyes stay ahead. Colley's ranking already have us moving ahead next week with only BU-TT and tOSU-Illini factored into the equation. When UT and OSU join in the Buckeyes will have very little shot.

(11-12-2013 11:41 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(11-12-2013 11:37 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(11-12-2013 11:26 AM)S11 Wrote:  

(11-12-2013 11:22 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(11-12-2013 11:16 AM)S11 Wrote:  Exactly. I expect to pass tOSU and I expect as Stanford's loss (Utah) continues to lose the voters won't give them as much credit for the Oregon game.

FSU probably has too much voter love to be passed unless some flukey 5th down thing happens to make voters penalize them.

The thing about Stanford that is interesting is they have an absolute floor. In the coaches, they are only 5 votes away from being a unanimous #5. In Harris a bit more respect- they are 35 votes away. So Stanford already is getting dinged a lot, and it's not helped yet. I think it does change this week as Baylor's computer numbers get stronger.

What I'd be concerned about vs Ohio St is I don't know if Baylor will be able to pass Stanford in the computers, giving them a bigger gap in the computers compared to Ohio St.

We won't catch them in the computers but if FSU or Bama lose we'll kill them in the polls. Also I think their computers take a hit once Cal gets factored in.

As for tOSU we are close enough in the polls already that once our tougher games join the CPU rankings the Buckeyes will need gerrymandered polls to stay ahead of us.

their computers do, however, it's made up by UCLA or Arizona St in the title game- that's stronger than Oklahoma St or Texas. It's close to a wash between you two, which makes it the team that is higher should remain higher. I think you might be at 40 Stanford at 42. Not a big difference at all.

If FSU or Bama loses, I would think they would fall behind BOTH of you. Your other problem is if Bama loses, you might get passed in the polls by the team that beats them (Auburn or Missouri).

Cal is something like #136 in Sagarin. That will hurt Stanford far more than UCLA and ASU help them in the computers.

I took the average of the 6 bcs computers. Cal is only like 99.5. UCLA or Arizona St is like 12 or 13. Compare to TCU at 77.5 and Oklahoma St at 21 I think. When you factor in all 4 opponents- Baylor is up on Stanford- but it's only like by 1-2 spots. Hardly a huge gap or a gap big enough to make any real difference.

(11-12-2013 11:45 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(11-12-2013 11:41 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(11-12-2013 11:37 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(11-12-2013 11:26 AM)S11 Wrote:  

(11-12-2013 11:22 AM)stever20 Wrote:  The thing about Stanford that is interesting is they have an absolute floor. In the coaches, they are only 5 votes away from being a unanimous #5. In Harris a bit more respect- they are 35 votes away. So Stanford already is getting dinged a lot, and it's not helped yet. I think it does change this week as Baylor's computer numbers get stronger.

What I'd be concerned about vs Ohio St is I don't know if Baylor will be able to pass Stanford in the computers, giving them a bigger gap in the computers compared to Ohio St.

We won't catch them in the computers but if FSU or Bama lose we'll kill them in the polls. Also I think their computers take a hit once Cal gets factored in.

As for tOSU we are close enough in the polls already that once our tougher games join the CPU rankings the Buckeyes will need gerrymandered polls to stay ahead of us.

their computers do, however, it's made up by UCLA or Arizona St in the title game- that's stronger than Oklahoma St or Texas. It's close to a wash between you two, which makes it the team that is higher should remain higher. I think you might be at 40 Stanford at 42. Not a big difference at all.

If FSU or Bama loses, I would think they would fall behind BOTH of you. Your other problem is if Bama loses, you might get passed in the polls by the team that beats them (Auburn or Missouri).

Cal is something like #136 in Sagarin. That will hurt Stanford far more than UCLA and ASU help them in the computers.

I took the average of the 6 bcs computers. Cal is only like 99.5. UCLA or Arizona St is like 12 or 13. Compare to TCU at 77.5 and Oklahoma St at 21 I think. When you factor in all 4 opponents- Baylor is up on Stanford- but it's only like by 1-2 spots. Hardly a huge gap or a gap big enough to make any real difference.

Stanford's schedule rank in Sagarin is #2. Baylor is #96 (FSU BTW is #62 and is well ahead of Stanford). I haven't checked the rest, but assume they will be somewhat similar. Baylor's schedule rank will go up dramatically while Stanford will drop. That discrepancy is why Stanford is ahead on the computers. As that gets reduced, Baylor's better W/L will become a bigger factor than Stanford's SOS advantage.

Stanford:
USC 29.50
Cal 98.50
ND 29.00
UCLA 12.00 or Airz St 13.50
42.25 or 42.63

Baylor:
Texas Tech 42.50
Okla St 21.25
TCU 75.75
Texas 23
40.63

I don't think you realize how high in the computers USC or Notre Dame are.

(11-12-2013 11:59 AM)stever20 Wrote:  Stanford:
USC 29.50
Cal 98.50
ND 29.00
UCLA 12.00 or Airz St 13.50
42.25 or 42.63

Baylor:
Texas Tech 42.50
Okla St 21.25
TCU 75.75
Texas 23
40.63

I don't think you realize how high in the computers USC or Notre Dame are.

I forgot they still had Notre Dame, but you're missing the point.

If Joe Stanford had a 95 average on 8 tests and averaged 90 on the last 4 the average drops. If Ralph Baylor had a 75 average on 8 tests and a 91 on the last 4 they go up. If Baylor wins out, their average performance goes up significantly.

These computers aren't just saying Stanford's win over X is worth 5 points and Baylor's win over Y is worth 6 so if Stanford is 2 points ahead they stay ahead. They are averaging the value of this win with all the ones before. To explain in math terms, say Stanford's better schedule is worth 400 points over 8 games and Baylor's one less loss is worth 45 points. 400/8=50 less 45 = 5 point Stanford advantage.
Let's assume schedules are equal the rest of the way.
400/12=33 less 45 = 12 point Baylor advantage.

(11-12-2013 11:43 AM)S11 Wrote:  

(11-12-2013 11:34 AM)samandrea Wrote:  

(11-12-2013 11:26 AM)S11 Wrote:  

(11-12-2013 11:22 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(11-12-2013 11:16 AM)S11 Wrote:  Exactly. I expect to pass tOSU and I expect as Stanford's loss (Utah) continues to lose the voters won't give them as much credit for the Oregon game.

FSU probably has too much voter love to be passed unless some flukey 5th down thing happens to make voters penalize them.

The thing about Stanford that is interesting is they have an absolute floor. In the coaches, they are only 5 votes away from being a unanimous #5. In Harris a bit more respect- they are 35 votes away. So Stanford already is getting dinged a lot, and it's not helped yet. I think it does change this week as Baylor's computer numbers get stronger.

What I'd be concerned about vs Ohio St is I don't know if Baylor will be able to pass Stanford in the computers, giving them a bigger gap in the computers compared to Ohio St.

We won't catch them in the computers but if FSU or Bama lose we'll kill them in the polls. Also I think their computers take a hit once Cal gets factored in.

As for tOSU we are close enough in the polls already that once our tougher games join the CPU rankings the Buckeyes will need gerrymandered polls to stay ahead of us.

And that is what they will have. The human polls will like OSU better than BAylor all day and that margin will grow I think as the season goes along. Baylor would have to smash their Ok St and Texas and Texas Tech and have OSU slide by Illinois and Indiana to change that.

I don't think so. Ohio State has to get a TON of help. We've got them practically tied on human poll points and will pass them in the cpu's. Unless there is a dramatic voter movement for them and against us I just don't see it. Their schedule is crap from here out, they aren't as impressive, and won't merely have to out poll us- they have to outpoll well enough to get rid of the CPU edge.

Very little chance the buckeyes stay ahead. Colley's ranking already have us moving ahead next week with only BU-TT and tOSU-Illini factored into the equation. When UT and OSU join in the Buckeyes will have very little shot.

Could be but I doubt it. They have to destroy everyone on their schedule in order to be voted in the human polls ahead of OSU. They could do that, but I still don't see how their schedule is that much better than OSU. I think that OSU was 2 or 3 in the preseason coaches poll. Baylor will have to change voters minds about OSU. I also stick to what I say about OSU smashing Baylor head to head.

If Stanford had 95 on 9 tests and 90 on last 4- avg would be 93.5
If Baylor had 75 on 8 tests and 91 on last 4- avg would be 80.3

Baylor will go up, but they won't be able to catch Stanford at all in my opinion on the computers. I think a far more likely chance is Stanford passes Florida State in the computers.
syracuse 56.75
idaho 112
florida 51.25
va tech 23.75
60.94

Stanford's loss has been factored in already to the computers.

(11-12-2013 01:03 PM)samandrea Wrote:  

(11-12-2013 11:43 AM)S11 Wrote:  

(11-12-2013 11:34 AM)samandrea Wrote:  

(11-12-2013 11:26 AM)S11 Wrote:  

(11-12-2013 11:22 AM)stever20 Wrote:  The thing about Stanford that is interesting is they have an absolute floor. In the coaches, they are only 5 votes away from being a unanimous #5. In Harris a bit more respect- they are 35 votes away. So Stanford already is getting dinged a lot, and it's not helped yet. I think it does change this week as Baylor's computer numbers get stronger.

What I'd be concerned about vs Ohio St is I don't know if Baylor will be able to pass Stanford in the computers, giving them a bigger gap in the computers compared to Ohio St.

We won't catch them in the computers but if FSU or Bama lose we'll kill them in the polls. Also I think their computers take a hit once Cal gets factored in.

As for tOSU we are close enough in the polls already that once our tougher games join the CPU rankings the Buckeyes will need gerrymandered polls to stay ahead of us.

And that is what they will have. The human polls will like OSU better than BAylor all day and that margin will grow I think as the season goes along. Baylor would have to smash their Ok St and Texas and Texas Tech and have OSU slide by Illinois and Indiana to change that.

I don't think so. Ohio State has to get a TON of help. We've got them practically tied on human poll points and will pass them in the cpu's. Unless there is a dramatic voter movement for them and against us I just don't see it. Their schedule is crap from here out, they aren't as impressive, and won't merely have to out poll us- they have to outpoll well enough to get rid of the CPU edge.

Very little chance the buckeyes stay ahead. Colley's ranking already have us moving ahead next week with only BU-TT and tOSU-Illini factored into the equation. When UT and OSU join in the Buckeyes will have very little shot.

Could be but I doubt it. They have to destroy everyone on their schedule in order to be voted in the human polls ahead of OSU. They could do that, but I still don't see how their schedule is that much better than OSU. I think that OSU was 2 or 3 in the preseason coaches poll. Baylor will have to change voters minds about OSU. I also stick to what I say about OSU smashing Baylor head to head.

Last 4 teams- Baylor's schedule is on average about 15 spots ahead of Ohio St. That is a really big difference. If anything, there's nothing Ohio St could do vs Illinois or Indiana that will change folks about OSU.

OSU may have been 2 or 3 in coaches poll, but now they are really close with Baylor. 69 harris votes and 25 coaches votes. Baylor has changed voters minds about OSU.

(11-12-2013 01:12 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(11-12-2013 01:03 PM)samandrea Wrote:  

(11-12-2013 11:43 AM)S11 Wrote:  

(11-12-2013 11:34 AM)samandrea Wrote:  

(11-12-2013 11:26 AM)S11 Wrote:  We won't catch them in the computers but if FSU or Bama lose we'll kill them in the polls. Also I think their computers take a hit once Cal gets factored in.

As for tOSU we are close enough in the polls already that once our tougher games join the CPU rankings the Buckeyes will need gerrymandered polls to stay ahead of us.

And that is what they will have. The human polls will like OSU better than BAylor all day and that margin will grow I think as the season goes along. Baylor would have to smash their Ok St and Texas and Texas Tech and have OSU slide by Illinois and Indiana to change that.

I don't think so. Ohio State has to get a TON of help. We've got them practically tied on human poll points and will pass them in the cpu's. Unless there is a dramatic voter movement for them and against us I just don't see it. Their schedule is crap from here out, they aren't as impressive, and won't merely have to out poll us- they have to outpoll well enough to get rid of the CPU edge.

Very little chance the buckeyes stay ahead. Colley's ranking already have us moving ahead next week with only BU-TT and tOSU-Illini factored into the equation. When UT and OSU join in the Buckeyes will have very little shot.

Could be but I doubt it. They have to destroy everyone on their schedule in order to be voted in the human polls ahead of OSU. They could do that, but I still don't see how their schedule is that much better than OSU. I think that OSU was 2 or 3 in the preseason coaches poll. Baylor will have to change voters minds about OSU. I also stick to what I say about OSU smashing Baylor head to head.

Last 4 teams- Baylor's schedule is on average about 15 spots ahead of Ohio St. That is a really big difference. If anything, there's nothing Ohio St could do vs Illinois or Indiana that will change folks about OSU.

OSU may have been 2 or 3 in coaches poll, but now they are really close with Baylor. 69 harris votes and 25 coaches votes. Baylor has changed voters minds about OSU.

I honestly think it will be a moot point because I see Baylor slipping up along the way.

(11-12-2013 01:15 PM)samandrea Wrote:  

(11-12-2013 01:12 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(11-12-2013 01:03 PM)samandrea Wrote:  

(11-12-2013 11:43 AM)S11 Wrote:  

(11-12-2013 11:34 AM)samandrea Wrote:  And that is what they will have. The human polls will like OSU better than BAylor all day and that margin will grow I think as the season goes along. Baylor would have to smash their Ok St and Texas and Texas Tech and have OSU slide by Illinois and Indiana to change that.

I don't think so. Ohio State has to get a TON of help. We've got them practically tied on human poll points and will pass them in the cpu's. Unless there is a dramatic voter movement for them and against us I just don't see it. Their schedule is crap from here out, they aren't as impressive, and won't merely have to out poll us- they have to outpoll well enough to get rid of the CPU edge.

Very little chance the buckeyes stay ahead. Colley's ranking already have us moving ahead next week with only BU-TT and tOSU-Illini factored into the equation. When UT and OSU join in the Buckeyes will have very little shot.

Could be but I doubt it. They have to destroy everyone on their schedule in order to be voted in the human polls ahead of OSU. They could do that, but I still don't see how their schedule is that much better than OSU. I think that OSU was 2 or 3 in the preseason coaches poll. Baylor will have to change voters minds about OSU. I also stick to what I say about OSU smashing Baylor head to head.

Last 4 teams- Baylor's schedule is on average about 15 spots ahead of Ohio St. That is a really big difference. If anything, there's nothing Ohio St could do vs Illinois or Indiana that will change folks about OSU.

OSU may have been 2 or 3 in coaches poll, but now they are really close with Baylor. 69 harris votes and 25 coaches votes. Baylor has changed voters minds about OSU.

I honestly think it will be a moot point because I see Baylor slipping up along the way.

I think in some ways the only place they could would be @ Oklahoma State.

I could make a pretty good case that Ohio St has mroe of a shot to lose if they do play Michigan State in the CCG. And heck, Nebraska played them tough the last few years.

Interesting article. When you calculate it out, according to them, there is about an 8% chance of all 4 of the major undefeateds winning out (65% X 65% X 37% X 48%).
http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball...ent-likely