(11-08-2013 02:11 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(11-07-2013 11:43 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(11-07-2013 11:32 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(11-07-2013 11:04 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  Baylor doesn't need help to pass Ohio State. Baylor's SOS down the road beat the Buckeyes all to hell. They'll pass Ohio State if they keep winning, and there's nothing Ohio State can do about it.

That's not necessarily going to be enough if the pollsters still aren't convinced to put Baylor ahead of Ohio State, but it's all a moot point if FSU wins out.

It wouldn't matter. Baylor will almost certainly be way ahead of Ohio St in the computers- enough to make the polls not matter.

It still takes a lot for computer numbers to usurp the poll numbers (much more than fans seem to believe). Plus, remember that Ohio State is likely going to meet a quality Michigan State team in the Big Ten Championship Game, which will be taken into account in the computers. This isn't like a MAC strength of schedule (as much as fans want to believe that to be the case) - even the worst power conference schedules are going to have a floor in the computers that make it extremely tough for poll ranking to get overridden in the final BCS standings (and the powers that be purposely made it that way).

That's nice and all but Baylor just beat computer average #11. They still have computer #19.5, #26.75 and #32.25 on their schedule. Ohio State's best win to date is against #31.25 Wisconsin. If Michigan State makes the CG (don't care enough to look up scenarios), their computer average is #15.25. Michigan's is #27.5.

Baylor would have more "top" wins. Whatever computer disparity that exists now may be entirely gone by the final BCS. It'd come down to voters. Should Ohio State get more credit for playing 13 games to Baylor's 12? Should Baylor jump Ohio State for beating a better team than Ohio State's beaten by significantly more points, and/or for beating more highly ranked teams? How will "style points" affect these two down the line if they both remain undefeated?

I don't see SOS as the determining factor, at all.

(11-07-2013 11:08 PM)CoogNellie Wrote:  

(11-07-2013 11:07 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(11-07-2013 10:32 PM)CoogNellie Wrote:  I'm hoping to see Bama play one of those two because I'm curious to see if the Tide could keep up. I really think the Pac 12 is better than the SEC this year. We'll find out in the bowl season I guess.

You have the question backward - could Oregon and Stanford score TD's against Bama. Tonight you are seeing what happens when a supposedly great offensive team meets a great defensive team. It takes defense to win championships.

That's precisely why I ask. Bama's defense this year is suspect despite what the stats may say. Letting an average Texas A&M score 40 points on you is nothing to brag about. I think Oregon OR Stanford would light Bama up.

Sure. Keep on dreaming. Stanford would have a decent chance, but the Oregon track team would have no chance. When a fast object hits a brick wall, the fast object usually stops.

(11-08-2013 10:09 AM)Marge Schott Wrote:  

(11-08-2013 02:11 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(11-07-2013 11:43 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(11-07-2013 11:32 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(11-07-2013 11:04 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  Baylor doesn't need help to pass Ohio State. Baylor's SOS down the road beat the Buckeyes all to hell. They'll pass Ohio State if they keep winning, and there's nothing Ohio State can do about it.

That's not necessarily going to be enough if the pollsters still aren't convinced to put Baylor ahead of Ohio State, but it's all a moot point if FSU wins out.

It wouldn't matter. Baylor will almost certainly be way ahead of Ohio St in the computers- enough to make the polls not matter.

It still takes a lot for computer numbers to usurp the poll numbers (much more than fans seem to believe). Plus, remember that Ohio State is likely going to meet a quality Michigan State team in the Big Ten Championship Game, which will be taken into account in the computers. This isn't like a MAC strength of schedule (as much as fans want to believe that to be the case) - even the worst power conference schedules are going to have a floor in the computers that make it extremely tough for poll ranking to get overridden in the final BCS standings (and the powers that be purposely made it that way).

That's nice and all but Baylor just beat computer average #11. They still have computer #19.5, #26.75 and #32.25 on their schedule. Ohio State's best win to date is against #31.25 Wisconsin. If Michigan State makes the CG (don't care enough to look up scenarios), their computer average is #15.25. Michigan's is #27.5.

Baylor would have more "top" wins. Whatever computer disparity that exists now may be entirely gone by the final BCS. It'd come down to voters. Should Ohio State get more credit for playing 13 games to Baylor's 12? Should Baylor jump Ohio State for beating a better team than Ohio State's beaten by significantly more points, and/or for beating more highly ranked teams? How will "style points" affect these two down the line if they both remain undefeated?

I don't see SOS as the determining factor, at all.

Good illustration. And that doesn't even take into account a B.Y.U. win against Wisconsin, or the high degree of likelihood that Michigan loses again before they play Ohio State. So both of those schools could drop in the computer ratings as Baylor's opponents either rise or remain somewhat stagnant. The competition level of the two conferences is not even close. The Big 12 is much more competitive.

Its' not a matter of "keeping up" offensively it's more a matter of slowing them down. And yes, their defense would be able to slow both of them down.

(11-07-2013 11:04 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  Baylor doesn't need help to pass Ohio State. Baylor's SOS down the road beat the Buckeyes all to hell. They'll pass Ohio State if they keep winning, and there's nothing Ohio State can do about it.

Disagree. It could get close, but I think if Ohio State keeps dominating, they'll stay above Baylor. The extra game against Michigan State (likely) will be enough to keep them ahead of the Bears.

(11-08-2013 10:47 AM)ohio1317 Wrote:  

(11-07-2013 11:04 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  Baylor doesn't need help to pass Ohio State. Baylor's SOS down the road beat the Buckeyes all to hell. They'll pass Ohio State if they keep winning, and there's nothing Ohio State can do about it.

Disagree. It could get close, but I think if Ohio State keeps dominating, they'll stay above Baylor. The extra game against Michigan State (likely) will be enough to keep them ahead of the Bears.

Your disagreement is irrelevant. The computer numbers say it all about Ohio State. In their 21 game winning streak, they haven't played anyone worth discussing. Not one team that the Buckeyes have beaten in the last 2 years was ranked high enough to matter in the national picture.

(11-08-2013 10:47 AM)ohio1317 Wrote:  

(11-07-2013 11:04 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  Baylor doesn't need help to pass Ohio State. Baylor's SOS down the road beat the Buckeyes all to hell. They'll pass Ohio State if they keep winning, and there's nothing Ohio State can do about it.

Disagree. It could get close, but I think if Ohio State keeps dominating, they'll stay above Baylor. The extra game against Michigan State (likely) will be enough to keep them ahead of the Bears.

Complete conjecture on your part and nothing objective to back up your statement.

Also, Ohio State "dominating" teams doesn't affect the computers much because the margin of victory isn't factored in. But most the schools in the Big Ten are junk this year, so Ohio State HAS to beat their brains in. Yet they failed to do so against mediocre/poor clubs Northwestern and Iowa.