(11-07-2013 11:34 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  

(11-07-2013 08:22 AM)SeaBlue Wrote:  

(11-07-2013 06:43 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  Agreed. The Big Ten approached THEM in 2010. The Big Ten is providing them, but not Rutgers, a travel subsidy. UMD got to announce first they were joining. It was UMD's spot to lose, nothing more.

Nothing I've heard suggests that the Big Ten had talked with Maryland that early.

My take on Maryland being announced first is that Delany was already there to steady the ship because the deal went down so quickly.

Also, the Rutgers deal was already done, no surprise there. Everyone knew where he was headed after Maryland. If Rutgers had gone down first, the circus in Maryland would have been, well, a circus.

There was an article (out of one of Baltimore's papers, iirc) where President Loh said the Big Ten had contacted the school before his tenure in the role. He started in late 2010. Who knows, the overtures could have gone back even longer, but at the very least, UMD was on the Big Ten's radar since then.

The deal did go down quickly, but I think it exposed how little both Loh and Delany felt about board involvement were they made more aware and had the process been more transparent or thorough. As claimed by the Cunningham conversations, Loh wasn't picking up the phone about the subject, and I think those schools knew there was some talking going on (and not just at UMD, but several ACC schools) for some time. I don't think Loh wanted to give the ACC any chance, and wasn't going to let the ACC get to the board to have some say (like FSU's president allowed Swofford to do with their board members). To him, there was nothing the conference could have offered him to stay. I've often wondered if that meant they weren't happy with the additional northeastern additions, or emphatically against ND's "sweetheart" deal.

Rutgers had been in the pipeline since the 90's off and on. It sounded like they were a fait accompli for almost any eastern expansion, regardless of who else was coming aboard.

It was always about the right timing and partner to come in with us. In 2012 the timing was finally right for the Big Ten and Maryland was one of the right partners to come in with us.

(11-07-2013 02:14 PM)brista21 Wrote:  

(11-07-2013 11:34 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  

(11-07-2013 08:22 AM)SeaBlue Wrote:  

(11-07-2013 06:43 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  Agreed. The Big Ten approached THEM in 2010. The Big Ten is providing them, but not Rutgers, a travel subsidy. UMD got to announce first they were joining. It was UMD's spot to lose, nothing more.

Nothing I've heard suggests that the Big Ten had talked with Maryland that early.

My take on Maryland being announced first is that Delany was already there to steady the ship because the deal went down so quickly.

Also, the Rutgers deal was already done, no surprise there. Everyone knew where he was headed after Maryland. If Rutgers had gone down first, the circus in Maryland would have been, well, a circus.

There was an article (out of one of Baltimore's papers, iirc) where President Loh said the Big Ten had contacted the school before his tenure in the role. He started in late 2010. Who knows, the overtures could have gone back even longer, but at the very least, UMD was on the Big Ten's radar since then.

The deal did go down quickly, but I think it exposed how little both Loh and Delany felt about board involvement were they made more aware and had the process been more transparent or thorough. As claimed by the Cunningham conversations, Loh wasn't picking up the phone about the subject, and I think those schools knew there was some talking going on (and not just at UMD, but several ACC schools) for some time. I don't think Loh wanted to give the ACC any chance, and wasn't going to let the ACC get to the board to have some say (like FSU's president allowed Swofford to do with their board members). To him, there was nothing the conference could have offered him to stay. I've often wondered if that meant they weren't happy with the additional northeastern additions, or emphatically against ND's "sweetheart" deal.

Rutgers had been in the pipeline since the 90's off and on. It sounded like they were a fait accompli for almost any eastern expansion, regardless of who else was coming aboard.

It was always about the right timing and partner to come in with us. In 2012 the timing was finally right for the Big Ten and Maryland was one of the right partners to come in with us.

The folks that want to hate and spout off will continue to do so. Rutgers belongs in the Big Ten in regards to the quality of the Institution. Yeah, New Jersey really isn't traditional Big Ten but who cares? If the folks of Jersey love the idea of being in the Big Ten then Rutgers belongs. You have the location to be able to build a top notch basketball program now that you are in one of the top two basketball conferences in the country. You have the location to be able to be a top recruiting football program in the country.

I think some folks like to spout off about Rutgers because deep down they realize the potential that Rutgers now has.

(11-07-2013 07:51 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(11-07-2013 02:14 PM)brista21 Wrote:  

(11-07-2013 11:34 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  

(11-07-2013 08:22 AM)SeaBlue Wrote:  

(11-07-2013 06:43 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  Agreed. The Big Ten approached THEM in 2010. The Big Ten is providing them, but not Rutgers, a travel subsidy. UMD got to announce first they were joining. It was UMD's spot to lose, nothing more.

Nothing I've heard suggests that the Big Ten had talked with Maryland that early.

My take on Maryland being announced first is that Delany was already there to steady the ship because the deal went down so quickly.

Also, the Rutgers deal was already done, no surprise there. Everyone knew where he was headed after Maryland. If Rutgers had gone down first, the circus in Maryland would have been, well, a circus.

There was an article (out of one of Baltimore's papers, iirc) where President Loh said the Big Ten had contacted the school before his tenure in the role. He started in late 2010. Who knows, the overtures could have gone back even longer, but at the very least, UMD was on the Big Ten's radar since then.

The deal did go down quickly, but I think it exposed how little both Loh and Delany felt about board involvement were they made more aware and had the process been more transparent or thorough. As claimed by the Cunningham conversations, Loh wasn't picking up the phone about the subject, and I think those schools knew there was some talking going on (and not just at UMD, but several ACC schools) for some time. I don't think Loh wanted to give the ACC any chance, and wasn't going to let the ACC get to the board to have some say (like FSU's president allowed Swofford to do with their board members). To him, there was nothing the conference could have offered him to stay. I've often wondered if that meant they weren't happy with the additional northeastern additions, or emphatically against ND's "sweetheart" deal.

Rutgers had been in the pipeline since the 90's off and on. It sounded like they were a fait accompli for almost any eastern expansion, regardless of who else was coming aboard.

It was always about the right timing and partner to come in with us. In 2012 the timing was finally right for the Big Ten and Maryland was one of the right partners to come in with us.

The folks that want to hate and spout off will continue to do so. Rutgers belongs in the Big Ten in regards to the quality of the Institution. Yeah, New Jersey really isn't traditional Big Ten but who cares? If the folks of Jersey love the idea of being in the Big Ten then Rutgers belongs. You have the location to be able to build a top notch basketball program now that you are in one of the top two basketball conferences in the country. You have the location to be able to be a top recruiting football program in the country.

I think some folks like to spout off about Rutgers because deep down they realize the potential that Rutgers now has.

Rutgers has been in one of the top 2 basketball conferences for many years now. Still waiting on that potential to show up. Football wise, I believe that Rutgers has the greater potential. I, unlike many, think that Rutgers will hold its own in the BIG in football. I also think that Rutgers will become an eastern power in fb and are on their way right now.

Rutgers may have potential but it is about time they reach it. I do not have a problem with Rutgers receiving a Big 10 invite but they need to take advantage of it and I believe they will.

Someone can rightly claim that Rutgers is the most underachieving program since 1869.

(11-07-2013 08:13 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(11-07-2013 07:51 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(11-07-2013 02:14 PM)brista21 Wrote:  

(11-07-2013 11:34 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  

(11-07-2013 08:22 AM)SeaBlue Wrote:  Nothing I've heard suggests that the Big Ten had talked with Maryland that early.

My take on Maryland being announced first is that Delany was already there to steady the ship because the deal went down so quickly.

Also, the Rutgers deal was already done, no surprise there. Everyone knew where he was headed after Maryland. If Rutgers had gone down first, the circus in Maryland would have been, well, a circus.

There was an article (out of one of Baltimore's papers, iirc) where President Loh said the Big Ten had contacted the school before his tenure in the role. He started in late 2010. Who knows, the overtures could have gone back even longer, but at the very least, UMD was on the Big Ten's radar since then.

The deal did go down quickly, but I think it exposed how little both Loh and Delany felt about board involvement were they made more aware and had the process been more transparent or thorough. As claimed by the Cunningham conversations, Loh wasn't picking up the phone about the subject, and I think those schools knew there was some talking going on (and not just at UMD, but several ACC schools) for some time. I don't think Loh wanted to give the ACC any chance, and wasn't going to let the ACC get to the board to have some say (like FSU's president allowed Swofford to do with their board members). To him, there was nothing the conference could have offered him to stay. I've often wondered if that meant they weren't happy with the additional northeastern additions, or emphatically against ND's "sweetheart" deal.

Rutgers had been in the pipeline since the 90's off and on. It sounded like they were a fait accompli for almost any eastern expansion, regardless of who else was coming aboard.

It was always about the right timing and partner to come in with us. In 2012 the timing was finally right for the Big Ten and Maryland was one of the right partners to come in with us.

The folks that want to hate and spout off will continue to do so. Rutgers belongs in the Big Ten in regards to the quality of the Institution. Yeah, New Jersey really isn't traditional Big Ten but who cares? If the folks of Jersey love the idea of being in the Big Ten then Rutgers belongs. You have the location to be able to build a top notch basketball program now that you are in one of the top two basketball conferences in the country. You have the location to be able to be a top recruiting football program in the country.

I think some folks like to spout off about Rutgers because deep down they realize the potential that Rutgers now has.

Rutgers has been in one of the top 2 basketball conferences for many years now. Still waiting on that potential to show up. Football wise, I believe that Rutgers has the greater potential. I, unlike many, think that Rutgers will hold its own in the BIG in football. I also think that Rutgers will become an eastern power in fb and are on their way right now.

Fair points. From what I have seen, Rutgers hasn't really seemed to have been all that proactive in improving their football and basketball programs. I really have no idea why that is the case but they do seem to have changed their minds in that regard as they now see how much money and prestige is wrapped around success in these sports.

They have the resources to compete and they have the location. All they need to do is follow through with good hires.

(11-06-2013 09:31 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-06-2013 05:34 PM)SeaBlue Wrote:  "Several"? Hmm...

Delany agreed that the process wasn't ideal but said the conference had to move swiftly and quietly because several other institutions were seeking the same spot.

http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2013-11...allace-loh

Why is that a surprise to you? I can name about 200 institutions that would jump through hoops of fire to join the B1G

Yes, true enough. And it doesn't say here "several ACC institutions". The statement, as quoted, is surely accurate. Whether "a particular school you have in mind" was interested or not is a completely separate issue. I think some people are being a little too reactionary because they walked in wanting to be angry at him.

Frankly, I think ACC fans being angry at another conference for luring away one of their schools is hyopocritical at best. At least the Big10 didn't destroy the ACC in the process (a la BigEast FB).

(11-07-2013 09:55 PM)nert Wrote:  

(11-06-2013 09:31 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-06-2013 05:34 PM)SeaBlue Wrote:  "Several"? Hmm...

Delany agreed that the process wasn't ideal but said the conference had to move swiftly and quietly because several other institutions were seeking the same spot.

http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2013-11...allace-loh

Why is that a surprise to you? I can name about 200 institutions that would jump through hoops of fire to join the B1G

Yes, true enough. And it doesn't say here "several ACC institutions". The statement, as quoted, is surely accurate. Whether "a particular school you have in mind" was interested or not is a completely separate issue. I think some people are being a little too reactionary because they walked in wanting to be angry at him.

Frankly, I think ACC fans being angry at another conference for luring away one of their schools is hyopocritical at best. At least the Big10 didn't destroy the ACC in the process (a la BigEast FB).

I agree about ACC fans being upset with the Big 10 stealing one of their programs. But no one really knows what happened in expansion. Who knows if the Big 10 tried to go after other Acc schools thinking that the league would be destabilized with the invitation of Maryland. I dont know if this is true or what some of us think, but I have a hard time believing that Maryland was their end game.

(11-07-2013 01:35 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  The B10 had indeed contacted Maryland in the past. No move was possible until the B10 had their man in the Presidency. When Loh arrived on campus, moving to the B10 was near the top of his personal agenda. He's a B10 man.

Also, thanks to Gov O'Malley, the majority on the Board of Regents was (still is) comprised of political appointees with no ties to the university.

(11-07-2013 07:51 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  The folks that want to hate and spout off will continue to do so. Rutgers belongs in the Big Ten in regards to the quality of the Institution. Yeah, New Jersey really isn't traditional Big Ten but who cares? If the folks of Jersey love the idea of being in the Big Ten then Rutgers belongs. You have the location to be able to build a top notch basketball program now that you are in one of the top two basketball conferences in the country. You have the location to be able to be a top recruiting football program in the country.

I think some folks like to spout off about Rutgers because deep down they realize the potential that Rutgers now has.

Rutgers had been in the #1 basketball conference for almost two decades - The Big East - and didn't improve its program...

Sorry, but if you can't improve and recruit top notch NYC talent 20 miles away, while under the bright national lights playing 'Cuse, Georgetown, Louisville, UCONN, Marquette, Villanova, Notre Dame, etc; then you are doing something wrong and switching conferences and playing midwest schools won't change your ability to recruit NYC talent.

Beyond basketball, the Big East was also AQ in football and several times out performed the Big Ten who has struggled mightily the last decade and yet still the old established Rutgers football program only had glimmering moments of success, never able to sustain anything. Rutgers is an after-thought, they are just kind of beginning to shed the lovable losers label. If they move into the B1G and are a bottom dweller again, it'll just push them back down in perception, no matter the conference.

(11-08-2013 09:30 AM)IceJus10 Wrote:  

(11-07-2013 07:51 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  The folks that want to hate and spout off will continue to do so. Rutgers belongs in the Big Ten in regards to the quality of the Institution. Yeah, New Jersey really isn't traditional Big Ten but who cares? If the folks of Jersey love the idea of being in the Big Ten then Rutgers belongs. You have the location to be able to build a top notch basketball program now that you are in one of the top two basketball conferences in the country. You have the location to be able to be a top recruiting football program in the country.

I think some folks like to spout off about Rutgers because deep down they realize the potential that Rutgers now has.

Rutgers had been in the #1 basketball conference for almost two decades - The Big East - and didn't improve its program...

Sorry, but if you can't improve and recruit top notch NYC talent 20 miles away, while under the bright national lights playing 'Cuse, Georgetown, Louisville, UCONN, Marquette, Villanova, Notre Dame, etc; then you are doing something wrong and switching conferences and playing midwest schools won't change your ability to recruit NYC talent.

Beyond basketball, the Big East was also AQ in football and several times out performed the Big Ten who has struggled mightily the last decade and yet still the old established Rutgers football program only had glimmering moments of success, never able to sustain anything. Rutgers is an after-thought, they are just kind of beginning to shed the lovable losers label. If they move into the B1G and are a bottom dweller again, it'll just push them back down in perception, no matter the conference.

Your premise is unclear here. If your premise is its not conference affiliation but leadership at the institution has to be in place for Rutgers to succeed and become more than an "afterthought", then I agree completely although not about the afterthought part. The football brand is definitely much stronger than that in NJ. Men's basketball brand is an afterthought though I'll give you that. If your premise is that Rutgers can never and will never become a power program then I disagree completely.

(11-07-2013 01:27 PM)SeaBlue Wrote:  I think it was the other way around however. If it's the same article, I think Loh said he mentioned to Big Ten people at some AAU function or something that (paraphrased) Maryland wouldn't be totally offended if the Big Ten came knocking.

Not the same article I was thinking, the Baltimore Sun article is the one that I think you're referring? The same article where Loh made the impression the decision was his and not up for debate.

This isn't the same article, either, but it discusses the subject. This one suggests it goes back to 2007ish. Not the same as actually reaching out, perhaps:

Quote:In 2010, the Big Ten lured Nebraska from the neighboring Big 12. But Delany had his eye on the eastern seaboard for years, two Big Ten athletic directors said. He said he regretted not setting up an East Coast office when Penn State came on board in 1990, a lost opportunity to expand the conference’s brand and influence to major commercial and media markets. So for the past five years, whenever the conference’s athletic directors discussed potential expansion — which was often — Maryland was always among the potential targets.

“I remember Maryland coming up as a topic of conversation going back to when I started,” said Michigan Athletic Director Dave Brandon, the former CEO of Domino’s Pizza, who took his job at the start of 2010.

Considering the board didn't tell Loh and Delany where they could shove it, it didn't seem like a difficult decision for the institution to make. To boosters, alumni, and t-shirt fans, however...

(11-07-2013 11:26 AM)Marge Schott Wrote:  Wow, UConn, Buffalo, Cincinnati and others wanted in the Big Ten? You don't say. That's some news right there.

LOL... Right!

Who not in the SEC, PAC12, or Named "Texas" does not want in the B1G?

(11-07-2013 10:19 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(11-07-2013 09:55 PM)nert Wrote:  

(11-06-2013 09:31 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-06-2013 05:34 PM)SeaBlue Wrote:  "Several"? Hmm...

Delany agreed that the process wasn't ideal but said the conference had to move swiftly and quietly because several other institutions were seeking the same spot.

http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2013-11...allace-loh

Why is that a surprise to you? I can name about 200 institutions that would jump through hoops of fire to join the B1G

Yes, true enough. And it doesn't say here "several ACC institutions". The statement, as quoted, is surely accurate. Whether "a particular school you have in mind" was interested or not is a completely separate issue. I think some people are being a little too reactionary because they walked in wanting to be angry at him.

Frankly, I think ACC fans being angry at another conference for luring away one of their schools is hyopocritical at best. At least the Big10 didn't destroy the ACC in the process (a la BigEast FB).

I agree about ACC fans being upset with the Big 10 stealing one of their programs. But no one really knows what happened in expansion. Who knows if the Big 10 tried to go after other Acc schools thinking that the league would be destabilized with the invitation of Maryland. I dont know if this is true or what some of us think, but I have a hard time believing that Maryland was their end game.

Maryland was a market wise move. And that point is used as cover for the real intent, destabilizing a conference that contains the real end game targets, and utilizing Maryland's addition as a bridge to the end game targets.

(11-08-2013 02:08 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(11-07-2013 10:19 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(11-07-2013 09:55 PM)nert Wrote:  

(11-06-2013 09:31 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-06-2013 05:34 PM)SeaBlue Wrote:  "Several"? Hmm...

Delany agreed that the process wasn't ideal but said the conference had to move swiftly and quietly because several other institutions were seeking the same spot.

http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2013-11...allace-loh

Why is that a surprise to you? I can name about 200 institutions that would jump through hoops of fire to join the B1G

Yes, true enough. And it doesn't say here "several ACC institutions". The statement, as quoted, is surely accurate. Whether "a particular school you have in mind" was interested or not is a completely separate issue. I think some people are being a little too reactionary because they walked in wanting to be angry at him.

Frankly, I think ACC fans being angry at another conference for luring away one of their schools is hyopocritical at best. At least the Big10 didn't destroy the ACC in the process (a la BigEast FB).

I agree about ACC fans being upset with the Big 10 stealing one of their programs. But no one really knows what happened in expansion. Who knows if the Big 10 tried to go after other Acc schools thinking that the league would be destabilized with the invitation of Maryland. I dont know if this is true or what some of us think, but I have a hard time believing that Maryland was their end game.

Maryland was a market wise move. And that point is used as cover for the real intent, destabilizing a conference that contains the real end game targets, and utilizing Maryland's addition as a bridge to the end game targets.

It's a long way from Maryland to Texas, JR.

(11-08-2013 02:18 PM)SeaBlue Wrote:  

(11-08-2013 02:08 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(11-07-2013 10:19 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(11-07-2013 09:55 PM)nert Wrote:  

(11-06-2013 09:31 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Why is that a surprise to you? I can name about 200 institutions that would jump through hoops of fire to join the B1G

Yes, true enough. And it doesn't say here "several ACC institutions". The statement, as quoted, is surely accurate. Whether "a particular school you have in mind" was interested or not is a completely separate issue. I think some people are being a little too reactionary because they walked in wanting to be angry at him.

Frankly, I think ACC fans being angry at another conference for luring away one of their schools is hyopocritical at best. At least the Big10 didn't destroy the ACC in the process (a la BigEast FB).

I agree about ACC fans being upset with the Big 10 stealing one of their programs. But no one really knows what happened in expansion. Who knows if the Big 10 tried to go after other Acc schools thinking that the league would be destabilized with the invitation of Maryland. I dont know if this is true or what some of us think, but I have a hard time believing that Maryland was their end game.

Maryland was a market wise move. And that point is used as cover for the real intent, destabilizing a conference that contains the real end game targets, and utilizing Maryland's addition as a bridge to the end game targets.

It's a long way from Maryland to Texas, JR.

Nice attempt at a bait and switch, but Texas wasn't on the menu at the time of the Maryland addition. Virginia was the target with the ultimate hope of luring in North Carolina.

(11-07-2013 08:46 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(11-07-2013 08:13 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(11-07-2013 07:51 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(11-07-2013 02:14 PM)brista21 Wrote:  

(11-07-2013 11:34 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  There was an article (out of one of Baltimore's papers, iirc) where President Loh said the Big Ten had contacted the school before his tenure in the role. He started in late 2010. Who knows, the overtures could have gone back even longer, but at the very least, UMD was on the Big Ten's radar since then.

The deal did go down quickly, but I think it exposed how little both Loh and Delany felt about board involvement were they made more aware and had the process been more transparent or thorough. As claimed by the Cunningham conversations, Loh wasn't picking up the phone about the subject, and I think those schools knew there was some talking going on (and not just at UMD, but several ACC schools) for some time. I don't think Loh wanted to give the ACC any chance, and wasn't going to let the ACC get to the board to have some say (like FSU's president allowed Swofford to do with their board members). To him, there was nothing the conference could have offered him to stay. I've often wondered if that meant they weren't happy with the additional northeastern additions, or emphatically against ND's "sweetheart" deal.

Rutgers had been in the pipeline since the 90's off and on. It sounded like they were a fait accompli for almost any eastern expansion, regardless of who else was coming aboard.

It was always about the right timing and partner to come in with us. In 2012 the timing was finally right for the Big Ten and Maryland was one of the right partners to come in with us.

The folks that want to hate and spout off will continue to do so. Rutgers belongs in the Big Ten in regards to the quality of the Institution. Yeah, New Jersey really isn't traditional Big Ten but who cares? If the folks of Jersey love the idea of being in the Big Ten then Rutgers belongs. You have the location to be able to build a top notch basketball program now that you are in one of the top two basketball conferences in the country. You have the location to be able to be a top recruiting football program in the country.

I think some folks like to spout off about Rutgers because deep down they realize the potential that Rutgers now has.

Rutgers has been in one of the top 2 basketball conferences for many years now. Still waiting on that potential to show up. Football wise, I believe that Rutgers has the greater potential. I, unlike many, think that Rutgers will hold its own in the BIG in football. I also think that Rutgers will become an eastern power in fb and are on their way right now.

Fair points. From what I have seen, Rutgers hasn't really seemed to have been all that proactive in improving their football and basketball programs. I really have no idea why that is the case but they do seem to have changed their minds in that regard as they now see how much money and prestige is wrapped around success in these sports.

They have the resources to compete and they have the location. All they need to do is follow through with good hires.

Rutgers' age has actually worked against its athletic department. It was late to the game in adapting to the modern era because of it clung to playing its old friends in the Ivy and Patriot Leagues for a while. Even after Rutgers joined the Big East there was(there still is?) a notable amount of faculty/alumni that wanted Rutgers return to its traditional rivals and drop down in athletics. The recent success in Football seems to have been a big blow to the anti-big time sports crowd and has lead to Rutgers fully embracing sports or at least football.

(11-08-2013 11:30 AM)brista21 Wrote:  

(11-08-2013 09:30 AM)IceJus10 Wrote:  

(11-07-2013 07:51 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  The folks that want to hate and spout off will continue to do so. Rutgers belongs in the Big Ten in regards to the quality of the Institution. Yeah, New Jersey really isn't traditional Big Ten but who cares? If the folks of Jersey love the idea of being in the Big Ten then Rutgers belongs. You have the location to be able to build a top notch basketball program now that you are in one of the top two basketball conferences in the country. You have the location to be able to be a top recruiting football program in the country.

I think some folks like to spout off about Rutgers because deep down they realize the potential that Rutgers now has.

Rutgers had been in the #1 basketball conference for almost two decades - The Big East - and didn't improve its program...

Sorry, but if you can't improve and recruit top notch NYC talent 20 miles away, while under the bright national lights playing 'Cuse, Georgetown, Louisville, UCONN, Marquette, Villanova, Notre Dame, etc; then you are doing something wrong and switching conferences and playing midwest schools won't change your ability to recruit NYC talent.

Beyond basketball, the Big East was also AQ in football and several times out performed the Big Ten who has struggled mightily the last decade and yet still the old established Rutgers football program only had glimmering moments of success, never able to sustain anything. Rutgers is an after-thought, they are just kind of beginning to shed the lovable losers label. If they move into the B1G and are a bottom dweller again, it'll just push them back down in perception, no matter the conference.

Your premise is unclear here. If your premise is its not conference affiliation but leadership at the institution has to be in place for Rutgers to succeed and become more than an "afterthought", then I agree completely although not about the afterthought part. The football brand is definitely much stronger than that in NJ. Men's basketball brand is an afterthought though I'll give you that. If your premise is that Rutgers can never and will never become a power program then I disagree completely.

Most of these folks understand the potential Rutgers has Brista. New Jersey has plenty of recruits for basketball and football. With Rutgers moving up to play in the Big Ten, they will have more success in recruiting. What Rutgers really needs is great hires for coaching. Their administration needs to get serious about achieving success now that they have made the giant leap from what was left of the Big East/AAC to the Big Ten.

I find it laughable that ACC folks and AAC folks think that Rutgers is making this move with mediocrity in mind. They have a tremendous opportunity. For folks to use Rutgers history of results in the Big East as proof of what Rutgers will do in the Big Ten, that is just pure ignorance. Their resources are about to get a huge boost. Their coverage is about to get a huge boost. Their prestige is about to get a huge boost. Rutgers is absolutely the realignment school to watch.

(11-08-2013 07:26 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(11-08-2013 11:30 AM)brista21 Wrote:  

(11-08-2013 09:30 AM)IceJus10 Wrote:  

(11-07-2013 07:51 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  The folks that want to hate and spout off will continue to do so. Rutgers belongs in the Big Ten in regards to the quality of the Institution. Yeah, New Jersey really isn't traditional Big Ten but who cares? If the folks of Jersey love the idea of being in the Big Ten then Rutgers belongs. You have the location to be able to build a top notch basketball program now that you are in one of the top two basketball conferences in the country. You have the location to be able to be a top recruiting football program in the country.

I think some folks like to spout off about Rutgers because deep down they realize the potential that Rutgers now has.

Rutgers had been in the #1 basketball conference for almost two decades - The Big East - and didn't improve its program...

Sorry, but if you can't improve and recruit top notch NYC talent 20 miles away, while under the bright national lights playing 'Cuse, Georgetown, Louisville, UCONN, Marquette, Villanova, Notre Dame, etc; then you are doing something wrong and switching conferences and playing midwest schools won't change your ability to recruit NYC talent.

Beyond basketball, the Big East was also AQ in football and several times out performed the Big Ten who has struggled mightily the last decade and yet still the old established Rutgers football program only had glimmering moments of success, never able to sustain anything. Rutgers is an after-thought, they are just kind of beginning to shed the lovable losers label. If they move into the B1G and are a bottom dweller again, it'll just push them back down in perception, no matter the conference.

Your premise is unclear here. If your premise is its not conference affiliation but leadership at the institution has to be in place for Rutgers to succeed and become more than an "afterthought", then I agree completely although not about the afterthought part. The football brand is definitely much stronger than that in NJ. Men's basketball brand is an afterthought though I'll give you that. If your premise is that Rutgers can never and will never become a power program then I disagree completely.

Most of these folks understand the potential Rutgers has Brista. New Jersey has plenty of recruits for basketball and football. With Rutgers moving up to play in the Big Ten, they will have more success in recruiting. What Rutgers really needs is great hires for coaching. Their administration needs to get serious about achieving success now that they have made the giant leap from what was left of the Big East/AAC to the Big Ten.

I find it laughable that ACC folks and AAC folks think that Rutgers is making this move with mediocrity in mind. They have a tremendous opportunity. For folks to use Rutgers history of results in the Big East as proof of what Rutgers will do in the Big Ten, that is just pure ignorance. Their resources are about to get a huge boost. Their coverage is about to get a huge boost. Their prestige is about to get a huge boost. Rutgers is absolutely the realignment school to watch.

Why are they bitching about $10 million?

(11-08-2013 07:39 PM)Dasville Wrote:  

(11-08-2013 07:26 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(11-08-2013 11:30 AM)brista21 Wrote:  

(11-08-2013 09:30 AM)IceJus10 Wrote:  

(11-07-2013 07:51 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  The folks that want to hate and spout off will continue to do so. Rutgers belongs in the Big Ten in regards to the quality of the Institution. Yeah, New Jersey really isn't traditional Big Ten but who cares? If the folks of Jersey love the idea of being in the Big Ten then Rutgers belongs. You have the location to be able to build a top notch basketball program now that you are in one of the top two basketball conferences in the country. You have the location to be able to be a top recruiting football program in the country.

I think some folks like to spout off about Rutgers because deep down they realize the potential that Rutgers now has.

Rutgers had been in the #1 basketball conference for almost two decades - The Big East - and didn't improve its program...

Sorry, but if you can't improve and recruit top notch NYC talent 20 miles away, while under the bright national lights playing 'Cuse, Georgetown, Louisville, UCONN, Marquette, Villanova, Notre Dame, etc; then you are doing something wrong and switching conferences and playing midwest schools won't change your ability to recruit NYC talent.

Beyond basketball, the Big East was also AQ in football and several times out performed the Big Ten who has struggled mightily the last decade and yet still the old established Rutgers football program only had glimmering moments of success, never able to sustain anything. Rutgers is an after-thought, they are just kind of beginning to shed the lovable losers label. If they move into the B1G and are a bottom dweller again, it'll just push them back down in perception, no matter the conference.

Your premise is unclear here. If your premise is its not conference affiliation but leadership at the institution has to be in place for Rutgers to succeed and become more than an "afterthought", then I agree completely although not about the afterthought part. The football brand is definitely much stronger than that in NJ. Men's basketball brand is an afterthought though I'll give you that. If your premise is that Rutgers can never and will never become a power program then I disagree completely.

Most of these folks understand the potential Rutgers has Brista. New Jersey has plenty of recruits for basketball and football. With Rutgers moving up to play in the Big Ten, they will have more success in recruiting. What Rutgers really needs is great hires for coaching. Their administration needs to get serious about achieving success now that they have made the giant leap from what was left of the Big East/AAC to the Big Ten.

I find it laughable that ACC folks and AAC folks think that Rutgers is making this move with mediocrity in mind. They have a tremendous opportunity. For folks to use Rutgers history of results in the Big East as proof of what Rutgers will do in the Big Ten, that is just pure ignorance. Their resources are about to get a huge boost. Their coverage is about to get a huge boost. Their prestige is about to get a huge boost. Rutgers is absolutely the realignment school to watch.

Why are they bitching about $10 million?

Why are you asking me?

Frankly, I thought St. Francis (PA) had the 14th spot all locked up.