Two articles discuss the less than desirable climate at Maryland regarding Jim Delany's nearly overnight acquisition of the school to the Big Ten. The following two articles shed light on what took place and how many at Maryland perceived the Big Ten's almost corporate like "takeover" of the school's failing athletic program:
http://www.yorkdispatch.com/psu/ci_24465...y-maryland

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/terr...-ten-move/

Please read and comment....

(11-06-2013 05:25 PM)Badger Wrote:   Two articles discuss the less than desirable climate at Maryland regarding Jim Delany's nearly overnight acquisition of the school to the Big Ten. The following two articles shed light on what took place and how many at Maryland perceived the Big Ten's almost corporate like "takeover" of the school's failing athletic program:
http://www.yorkdispatch.com/psu/ci_24465...y-maryland

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/terr...-ten-move/

Please read and comment....

The second article where the panel got the questions about playing Duke in basketball and not getting them in College Park this year was interesting.

It's like "Hello! You're gone from the ACC folks! Don't worry about playing Duke. Look forward to Rutgers!"

Maybe if they left the ACC with some sort of dignity at all someone like Duke would want to still play Maryland. Like the Head of the Board of Trustees inferred: Secret dealings, rushing a 1 page proposal through the board, blindsiding the folks you've done business with for 60 years, and then trashing the bylaws of the conference you founded and quibbling over the exit process is sleazy at best.

The blame isn't with Delaney on this. It's with Dr. Wallace Loh. Delaney's comment in the meeting was something to the effect that the end will ultimately justify the means. He was just organizing a hostile takover. Some of the comments from the meeting demonstrate not all at Maryland are over it.

To Big East/AAC types, the indignant nature of some ACC fans falls a bit flat. Just be thankful that the ACC wasn't raided into the G5 wasteland.

(11-06-2013 08:20 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  To Big East/AAC types, the indignant nature of some ACC fans falls a bit flat. Just be thankful that the ACC wasn't raided into the G5 wasteland.

To anyone who remembers any part of the past 10 years of college realignment the indignant nature of some ACC fans is completely laughable.

(11-06-2013 08:43 PM)justinslot Wrote:  

(11-06-2013 08:20 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  To Big East/AAC types, the indignant nature of some ACC fans falls a bit flat. Just be thankful that the ACC wasn't raided into the G5 wasteland.

To anyone who remembers any part of the past 10 years of college realignment the indignant nature of some ACC fans is completely laughable.

(11-06-2013 08:43 PM)justinslot Wrote:  

(11-06-2013 08:20 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  To Big East/AAC types, the indignant nature of some ACC fans falls a bit flat. Just be thankful that the ACC wasn't raided into the G5 wasteland.

To anyone who remembers any part of the past 10 years of college realignment the indignant nature of some ACC fans is completely laughable.

The only ACC fans in that room last night making the complaints documented in those articles were supporters of Maryland. No other ACC fans were there. The rest aren't thinking about Maryland.

(11-06-2013 08:58 PM)btstimpy Wrote:  

(11-06-2013 08:43 PM)justinslot Wrote:  

(11-06-2013 08:20 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  To Big East/AAC types, the indignant nature of some ACC fans falls a bit flat. Just be thankful that the ACC wasn't raided into the G5 wasteland.

To anyone who remembers any part of the past 10 years of college realignment the indignant nature of some ACC fans is completely laughable.

The only ACC fans in that room last night making the complaints documented in those articles were supporters of Maryland. No other ACC fans were there. The rest aren't thinking about Maryland.

The hard feelings between Duke State And Swofford and somewhat Carolina come from Loh and Anderson not answering phone calls from Cunningham, Swofford, Yow, White and a few presidents. At least talk to us for a minute tell us your greivanes but to shut the door in a conference you've been a part of for 60 years that why there is "poor" treatment. They have a fine home schedule

All the more reason why, IMO, the exit fee issue does not get negotiated. The ACC wants and expects Maryland to pay every penny called for in the exit fee by-laws.

I will miss Maryland, but don't expect Duke, UNC, or any ACC teams to do Maryland a solid. Maryland can cultivate new rivalries w Rutgers and Penn St.
As far as ACC expansion, Duke and UNC were the only 2 schools against it in 2003. But it worked out well for the legacy Big East football schools. Of the 8, 5 came to the ACC, 1 to the Big10, 1 to the Big12, and Temple was kicked out for general apathy.
The legacy Big East bball schools reclaimed their roots and have a record contract.
Even Cincy and USF are making more $ now than they did pre-2003.

(11-06-2013 09:09 PM)westmc9th Wrote:  The hard feelings between Duke State And Swofford and somewhat Carolina come from Loh and Anderson not answering phone calls from Cunningham, Swofford, Yow, White and a few presidents. At least talk to us for a minute tell us your greivanes but to shut the door in a conference you've been a part of for 60 years that why there is "poor" treatment. They have a fine home schedule

Same as the ACC taking Cuse from a conference they've been part of for over 30 years. People only care about tradition when it's their traditions that are changing.

(11-06-2013 09:48 PM)Hashtag Wrote:  I will miss Maryland, but don't expect Duke, UNC, or any ACC teams to do Maryland a solid. Maryland can cultivate new rivalries w Rutgers and Penn St.

Sigh. One of my biggest pet peeves in conference realignment is the argument of "If [NAME OF SCHOOL THAT'S LEAVING] wants to trade [BEST FOOTBALL/BASKETBALL TEAMS FROM OLD CONFERENCE] in order to play [WORST FOOTBALL/BASKETBALL TEAMS FROM NEW CONFERENCE], then it's their loss". Another example: "Be happy with those football games against Purdue instead of Florida State!" (Disingenupusly ignoring the presence of Michigan and Ohio State.) It's such an unbelievable false choice argument and it happens way too much. To be clear, it's not an ACC-centric issue - there are homers from every conference that love to do this.

(11-06-2013 10:23 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(11-06-2013 09:48 PM)Hashtag Wrote:  I will miss Maryland, but don't expect Duke, UNC, or any ACC teams to do Maryland a solid. Maryland can cultivate new rivalries w Rutgers and Penn St.

Sigh. One of my biggest pet peeves in conference realignment is the argument of "If [NAME OF SCHOOL THAT'S LEAVING] wants to trade [BEST FOOTBALL/BASKETBALL TEAMS FROM OLD CONFERENCE] in order to play [WORST FOOTBALL/BASKETBALL TEAMS FROM NEW CONFERENCE], then it's their loss". Another example: "Be happy with those football games against Purdue instead of Florida State!" (Disingenupusly ignoring the presence of Michigan and Ohio State.) It's such an unbelievable false choice argument and it happens way too much. To be clear, it's not an ACC-centric issue - there are homers from every conference that love to do this.

Nah...I don't blame Maryland admin for wanting to move to the most profitable conference in all the land. However, Maryland should not expect to continue rivalry games with Duke. They should focus on their future and figure out which of their new conference games will inspire the most passion/hatred, etc. Maryland has historically been a basketball 1st school, so maybe they will develop a blood lust for Michigan St or Indiana. I dunno. U misinterpreted my post Mr. Tank :)

(11-06-2013 08:20 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  To Big East/AAC types, the indignant nature of some ACC fans falls a bit flat. Just be thankful that the ACC wasn't raided into the G5 wasteland.

You shouldn't be indignant. You should send the ACC a thank-you note. If it wasn't for the ACC adding Syracuse and Pitt, Houston would still be in Conference USA.

(11-06-2013 10:20 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(11-06-2013 09:09 PM)westmc9th Wrote:  The hard feelings between Duke State And Swofford and somewhat Carolina come from Loh and Anderson not answering phone calls from Cunningham, Swofford, Yow, White and a few presidents. At least talk to us for a minute tell us your greivanes but to shut the door in a conference you've been a part of for 60 years that why there is "poor" treatment. They have a fine home schedule

Same as the ACC taking Cuse from a conference they've been part of for over 30 years. People only care about tradition when it's their traditions that are changing.

The majority of complaints about this move center on what many fans honestly feel are the great relations and traditions with other ACC schools now suddenly gone. I grew up in Big Ten country and understand such traditions. But Delany seemed to underestimate the blowback. He is an NC grad and it would seem he would have been more prepared for this. And what about the manner this decision was reached? Imo, when a conference head and school prez are almost "forcing" an expansion move, it may suggest that the move is not worth making?? I welcome Maryland to the B1G and feel they are a good addition. But compared to the additions of PSU, NU, and Rutgers, this addition sure had its flaws and miscalculations. At least Maryland is going to a solid conference that prides itself on fairness and follows some long held principles which Delany has helped maintain. Maryland will grow to like this move, I feel, as new rivalries form and a shaky athletic program is revitalized and stabilized. It could be a lot worse as others have suggested.

And it sure must have been humiliating for him to sit at this meeting(s) and hear repeated harsh criticism directed at him and Loh over this unseemly takeover that by all appearances was based on $$$ interests alone. I hope Delany thinks through these moves a bit more in the future and selects programs that actually want in the Big Ten. He will save himself a lot of trouble.

(11-07-2013 12:56 AM)Badger Wrote:  

(11-06-2013 10:20 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(11-06-2013 09:09 PM)westmc9th Wrote:  The hard feelings between Duke State And Swofford and somewhat Carolina come from Loh and Anderson not answering phone calls from Cunningham, Swofford, Yow, White and a few presidents. At least talk to us for a minute tell us your greivanes but to shut the door in a conference you've been a part of for 60 years that why there is "poor" treatment. They have a fine home schedule

Same as the ACC taking Cuse from a conference they've been part of for over 30 years. People only care about tradition when it's their traditions that are changing.

The majority of complaints about this move center on what many fans honestly feel are the great relations and traditions with other ACC schools now suddenly gone. I grew up in Big Ten country and understand such traditions. But Delany seemed to underestimate the blowback. He is an NC grad and it would seem he would have been more prepared for this. And what about the manner this decision was reached? Imo, when a conference head and school prez are almost "forcing" an expansion move, it may suggest that the move is not worth making?? I welcome Maryland to the B1G and feel they are a good addition. But compared to the additions of PSU, NU, and Rutgers, this addition sure had its flaws and miscalculations. At least Maryland is going to a solid conference that prides itself on fairness and follows some long held principles which Delany has helped maintain. Maryland will grow to like this move, I feel, as new rivalries form and a shaky athletic program is revitalized and stabilized. It could be a lot worse as others have suggested.

And it sure must have been humiliating for him to sit at this meeting(s) and hear repeated harsh criticism directed at him and Loh over this unseemly takeover that by all appearances was based on $$$ interests alone. I hope Delany thinks through these moves a bit more in the future and selects programs that actually want in the Big Ten. He will save himself a lot of trouble.

You are on point, and I realize that it was the original intent of your first post. The Reason that he and Maryland even had to have the symposium is because this move is not viewed positively by the Majority of the Supporters of Maryland even still. It was to try to sell more of them on the merits of it.

Will Maryland grow to like this? Who knows? But it's done, and they have to live with it. The rest of the ACC has moved on, but they expect Maryland to follow the bylaws as it exits.

(11-06-2013 10:20 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(11-06-2013 09:09 PM)westmc9th Wrote:  The hard feelings between Duke State And Swofford and somewhat Carolina come from Loh and Anderson not answering phone calls from Cunningham, Swofford, Yow, White and a few presidents. At least talk to us for a minute tell us your greivanes but to shut the door in a conference you've been a part of for 60 years that why there is "poor" treatment. They have a fine home schedule

Same as the ACC taking Cuse from a conference they've been part of for over 30 years. People only care about tradition when it's their traditions that are changing.

Are you seeing an auditorium of Cuse boosters bitching about going to the ACC? I haven't seen it, but you just saw a room full of Maryland boosters bitching about not getting to play Duke anymore at home.

You can't equate the two at all.

(11-07-2013 11:09 AM)btstimpy Wrote:  

(11-06-2013 10:20 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(11-06-2013 09:09 PM)westmc9th Wrote:  The hard feelings between Duke State And Swofford and somewhat Carolina come from Loh and Anderson not answering phone calls from Cunningham, Swofford, Yow, White and a few presidents. At least talk to us for a minute tell us your greivanes but to shut the door in a conference you've been a part of for 60 years that why there is "poor" treatment. They have a fine home schedule

Same as the ACC taking Cuse from a conference they've been part of for over 30 years. People only care about tradition when it's their traditions that are changing.

Are you seeing an auditorium of Cuse boosters bitching about going to the ACC? I haven't seen it, but you just saw a room full of Maryland boosters bitching about not getting to play Duke anymore at home.

You can't equate the two at all.

Man I miss playing DePaul in Chicago...in front of 3000 Cuse fans and 2000 DePaul fans.

frank,
there is a lot of sour grapes in these situations, but there is a legitimate frustration with the assault on tradition. maryland has been a conference punching bag in football (except for a few good years like 2001), but the loss of the duke - maryland rivalry on the hardwood is bad for college basketball. regional and historic rivalries should matter.

no offense to the B1G types, but i fully realize that clemson will never be in the B1G and i'm thankful for that. i couldn't possibly care less about playing any B1G team in ANY sport (yes, that includes OSU and michigan). i'd much rather play miami, fsu, vt, gt, ncsu and others. i would miss those games even if we went to the SEC (which isn't happening since USCjr is already in that conference).

just my $0.02.

(11-06-2013 10:23 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(11-06-2013 09:48 PM)Hashtag Wrote:  I will miss Maryland, but don't expect Duke, UNC, or any ACC teams to do Maryland a solid. Maryland can cultivate new rivalries w Rutgers and Penn St.

Sigh. One of my biggest pet peeves in conference realignment is the argument of "If [NAME OF SCHOOL THAT'S LEAVING] wants to trade [BEST FOOTBALL/BASKETBALL TEAMS FROM OLD CONFERENCE] in order to play [WORST FOOTBALL/BASKETBALL TEAMS FROM NEW CONFERENCE], then it's their loss". Another example: "Be happy with those football games against Purdue instead of Florida State!" (Disingenupusly ignoring the presence of Michigan and Ohio State.) It's such an unbelievable false choice argument and it happens way too much. To be clear, it's not an ACC-centric issue - there are homers from every conference that love to do this.

(11-06-2013 09:09 PM)westmc9th Wrote:  The hard feelings between Duke State And Swofford and somewhat Carolina come from Loh and Anderson not answering phone calls from Cunningham, Swofford, Yow, White and a few presidents. At least talk to us for a minute tell us your greivanes but to shut the door in a conference you've been a part of for 60 years that why there is "poor" treatment. They have a fine home schedule

The word has been for months that less than a week or so before the move, two of the Presidents were directly lied to - presidents that usually aren't told lies - presidents without any ax or animus between their institution and UM.