(11-07-2013 08:45 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(11-07-2013 08:43 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  Syracuse never traveled in huge numbers to Morgantown. Neither did anyone else. Nobody propped up our basketball attendance numbers, which weren't exactly tiny. WVU was always one of the better programs in the BE in attendance.

yeah i dont think anyone's really calling out wvu that much, but we sure are calling out provy

When I first saw that, I thought you were saying privy, and was wondering why you were calling out an outhouse. But then I looked again.

(11-07-2013 08:43 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  Syracuse never traveled in huge numbers to Morgantown. Neither did anyone else. Nobody propped up our basketball attendance numbers, which weren't exactly tiny. WVU was always one of the better programs in the BE in attendance.

Bit, it's obvious to every other current or former BE reading this thread who was being propped up and it most certainly wasn't the Eers. No one wanted to play them on the weekends at home or away.

The ones being "propped" up were the ones who held their noses at accepting WVU and held off VT from getting full membership as long as they could.

Cheers,
Neil

Well, they're on their own now, sink or swim.

but to be fair wvu did benefit from this pretty nicely at times however

1. they were much better athletically than provy

2. they had a decent sized fanbase and didnt need to be propped up.

stuff like this only reaffirms that provy & some of the c7 schools got more special treatment in the big east than texas in the b12 at times

(11-07-2013 08:45 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(11-07-2013 08:43 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  Syracuse never traveled in huge numbers to Morgantown. Neither did anyone else. Nobody propped up our basketball attendance numbers, which weren't exactly tiny. WVU was always one of the better programs in the BE in attendance.

yeah i dont think anyone's really calling out wvu that much, but we sure are calling out provy

I'm certainly not calling out WVU. West Virginia often fielded decent to pretty good teams and always enjoyed solid to very good fan support in both football and basketball. Obviously there were some down years, but overall WVU athletics carried their weight and then some IMO.

(11-07-2013 08:57 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(11-07-2013 08:45 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(11-07-2013 08:43 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  Syracuse never traveled in huge numbers to Morgantown. Neither did anyone else. Nobody propped up our basketball attendance numbers, which weren't exactly tiny. WVU was always one of the better programs in the BE in attendance.

yeah i dont think anyone's really calling out wvu that much, but we sure are calling out provy

I'm certainly not calling out WVU. West Virginia often fielded decent to pretty good teams and always enjoyed solid to very good fan support in both football and basketball. Obviously there were some down years, but overall WVU athletics carried their weight and then some IMO.

We were one of the better traveling fanbases. But without the impetus of football, the BE never would have known that.

(11-07-2013 08:11 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(11-07-2013 07:47 PM)gosports1 Wrote:  

(11-07-2013 07:33 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(11-07-2013 07:28 PM)gosports1 Wrote:  

(11-06-2013 05:27 PM)john01992 Wrote:  a big part of it was their scheduling tactics to give the weaker BB schools more weekend games against SU to boost their attendance numbers and really made you scratch your head.

wed have 1-2 scrub schools sometimes 3 on the weekend schedule each year. it was very annoying having to play @ SHU on the weekends. in 2011-2012 it was exceptionally bad where we went 7 straight weekend games with......
provy
@ ND
wvu
@ SJU
uconn
@ rutgers
@uconn

this was over the course of a month & a half with only 1 legitimate home weekend game. and during that stretch we played #11 gtown at home on a weekday.

with the ACC our weekend schedule is
miami
unc
pitt
@miami
duke
clemson (which surprisingly has a pretty big fanbase in cuse)
nc state
@duke
@uva
@fsu

every one of our weekend games is against a team whose projected to be in the top half of the ACC with the exception of clemson. when LV joins you can bet your *** they put them on the weekend schedule in place of CU

yes it was all a conspiracy by the rest of the BE to use Syracuse for their own gain and keep them down.

Providence received more than their fair share of Cuse weekend games in the Dunk.

thats what happens when you're in a conference for 30 years, you get home and away. are you suggesting that tiny PC had enough clout to dictate to the BE office that Syracuse be at the dunk on a saturday more often than would be considered fair?

syracuse has dominated PC over the years. If PC really had that much power wouldnt they use it to schedule opponents they had a better shot at beating?

um did you totally miss the whole part where the BE commish was from provy for pretty much the entire existence of the BE

Not at all. Do you really believe that PC would be able to get away with such a move and the commish wouldnt be called out by someone?
Again if the commissioners were so pro Providence wouldnt they have done more for them then scheduling Syracuse as a home game in what some believe was more than necesary? Idont believe that the commisioner actually sets the schedules, they have people for that
It seems to me there were plenty of times that pc played syracuse twice a season. (almost gauranteed loses) If the "fix" was in why would they do this? Playing Syracuse twice a season is IMO not doing PC any favors.Did the benefits of the 1 home game each(or every other season) outweigh the benefits of not playing Syracuse at all and perhaps playing a school that PC had a better chance to beat? Which could improve their record and increase chance of making post season? Even if that pre season was to host a NIT game wouldnt that be better for Providence College, the city of providence and the dunk itself?

i dont know what else to really say dude. PC fans trying to deny they got special treatment in the big east is like texas fans trying to say that that their schools didnt kill the b12.



I think thats all you really need to know about provys role in the BE

(11-07-2013 10:45 PM)john01992 Wrote:  i dont know what else to really say dude. PC fans trying to deny they got special treatment in the big east is like texas fans trying to say that that their schools didnt kill the b12.



I think thats all you really need to know about provys role in the BE

were the commisioners appointed by PC or were they chosen by all the conference members?

you can keep pulling that card but the fact is the commissioners were always from providence, the conference offices were in providence and providence always got the best schedules

obviously something doesnt quite add up here........

I did some brief research. Over the past 6 seasons dating back to 07/08 Providence played AT Syracuse 5 times and had a home and home with them once so 5 out of 7 games were away from the dunk.....that is some special pro providence treatment. Interesting that some seem to look past that fact.
Granted prior to that there were quite a few times cuse played at the dunk.The question is so what?

The pro Providence BE also had them play at Georgetown 10 times out of 17 years dating back to the 96/97 season and had Georgetown at the dunk just 5 times. That smacks with Providence favortism.

I could look into this more but i dont really have the energy and time.

I find it interesting that some of the same people that are fond of stating how bad PC's program was for a few stretches also believe that PC had this powerful grip on the BE and was able to control everyone else in the league and have them do their bidding.

If powerful PC was able to dictate its wishes and wants to the rest of the BE and do whatever it wanted, what does that say about the leadership of the other schools?

(11-07-2013 12:19 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(11-06-2013 11:28 PM)OrangeCrush22 Wrote:  What are we guessing for the Cornell game this Friday?

Regional rival, 7 PM, Friday night, season opener.

My guess is somewhere around 23k-25k.

Depends on how many Cornell folks make the trip...I think 23k sounds about right. I expect only 18-19k or so actual attendance.

24,788

Isn't it just like uk to set a new attendance record.

uk played in front of 92,000 empty seats in their loss to Baylor last night.

(11-07-2013 11:23 PM)gosports1 Wrote:  I did some brief research. Over the past 6 seasons dating back to 07/08 Providence played AT Syracuse 5 times and had a home and home with them once so 5 out of 7 games were away from the dunk.....that is some special pro providence treatment. Interesting that some seem to look past that fact.
Granted prior to that there were quite a few times cuse played at the dunk.The question is so what?

The pro Providence BE also had them play at Georgetown 10 times out of 17 years dating back to the 96/97 season and had Georgetown at the dunk just 5 times. That smacks with Providence favortism.

I could look into this more but i dont really have the energy and time.

I find it interesting that some of the same people that are fond of stating how bad PC's program was for a few stretches also believe that PC had this powerful grip on the BE and was able to control everyone else in the league and have them do their bidding.

If powerful PC was able to dictate its wishes and wants to the rest of the BE and do whatever it wanted, what does that say about the leadership of the other schools?

you should look up the stats from before the 2006/2007 season (the year the BE had a massive scheduling overhaul)

before that provy played a H&H with SU practically every year

(12-07-2013 06:50 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(11-07-2013 11:23 PM)gosports1 Wrote:  I did some brief research. Over the past 6 seasons dating back to 07/08 Providence played AT Syracuse 5 times and had a home and home with them once so 5 out of 7 games were away from the dunk.....that is some special pro providence treatment. Interesting that some seem to look past that fact.
Granted prior to that there were quite a few times cuse played at the dunk.The question is so what?

The pro Providence BE also had them play at Georgetown 10 times out of 17 years dating back to the 96/97 season and had Georgetown at the dunk just 5 times. That smacks with Providence favortism.

I could look into this more but i dont really have the energy and time.

I find it interesting that some of the same people that are fond of stating how bad PC's program was for a few stretches also believe that PC had this powerful grip on the BE and was able to control everyone else in the league and have them do their bidding.

If powerful PC was able to dictate its wishes and wants to the rest of the BE and do whatever it wanted, what does that say about the leadership of the other schools?

you should look up the stats from before the 2006/2007 season (the year the BE had a massive scheduling overhaul)

before that provy played a H&H with SU practically every year

When the BE went to 13 schools around 1995, they began scheduling on a rotating basis so that everyone played everyone 3 times at home and 3 times away over a 4 year cycle. When VT was added as #14 around 2002, the BE adopted a single round robin schedule wih 3 h&h opponents selected by ESPN and the conference, a format they maintained until last year. A school like Syracuse would typically have had at least 2 of 3 h&h's selected by ESPN for TV purposes.

Oh great. Syracuse fans are back for a few months.

(12-07-2013 06:36 PM)Dasville Wrote:  Isn't it just like uk to set a new attendance record.

uk played in front of 92,000 empty seats in their loss to Baylor last night.

It is Kentucky's job to fill up the seats in Texas when we are facing a Texas team? Not sure if you saw it, but Baylor won that game to the applause of hundreds of Baylor fans. Weather, interest, cost... whatever. UK played that game for one reason. The Final Four is being held there this year. That is a huge familiarity advantage if they get that far.

(12-07-2013 08:30 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  Oh great. Syracuse fans are back for a few months.

And Troy fans are never around?

BTW, Cuse is bowl eligible and coming off a F4...and Troy?

(12-07-2013 09:25 PM)bigblueblindness Wrote:  

(12-07-2013 06:36 PM)Dasville Wrote:  Isn't it just like uk to set a new attendance record.

uk played in front of 92,000 empty seats in their loss to Baylor last night.

It is Kentucky's job to fill up the seats in Texas when we are facing a Texas team? Not sure if you saw it, but Baylor won that game to the applause of hundreds of Baylor fans. Weather, interest, cost... whatever. UK played that game for one reason. The Final Four is being held there this year. That is a huge familiarity advantage if they get that far.

I don't blame UK for last night...weather was horrible. The games should've been played in Waco. Nuts to think more than 15k fans would be there even on a good weather day with Baylor playing a FB game the next day.

(12-07-2013 08:30 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  Oh great. Syracuse fans are back for a few months.

Do you block us out the rest of the time?