(11-05-2013 10:26 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(11-05-2013 09:32 PM)CivilEng Wrote:  

(11-05-2013 04:16 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(11-05-2013 03:55 PM)joshdude182 Wrote:  

(11-05-2013 03:51 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  Reality will set in when CUSA has to renegotiate it's contract...less money, more mouths to feed.

Just like it set in for the AAC? You don't really believe the Sun Belt is a better conference than CUSA. You're just putting down CUSA to assert your superiority over your former conference. I'd love to hear your thoughts on things had Memphis not been invited to the AAC.

He doesn't have to think it. Statistics say that the Sun Belt is indeed a better conference than CUSA this year.

It seems that many here can't make the distinction between fielding better FOOTBALL teams and being the better conference. Everything seems to indicate that the SB has been stronger in football (slightly) these passed two years. That does not make it a better conference than CUSA. If you look at what each conference offers their members, there's no doubt that CUSA is the better conference. Better exposure, bowls, TV contract and easier travel( from a financial stand point) since most of the teams are in major metropolitan areas with easy access to major airports.

CUSA gets that because of PERCEPTION. It means they were pretty good once, and despite the fact that none of those teams are left, they still get the same access because they are still perceived as a better league.

It does not actually mean it is a better league.

CUSA is the better conference. It offers its members more money, exposure and the platform to develop and grow. CUSA has actually helped teams grow and move into P5 conferences which is what we all ultimately wish for one day. As far as perception, it doesn't seem like this will change anytime soon. Just look at the bowl line up that we're recently negotiated with the schools that will compose the league in the near future. If this is any indication, the new TV contract should be pretty decent as well.
I guess perception will begin to change once SB schools begin to turn down offers from CUSA. Until then, CUSA will stay above the SB the same way the AAC is above CUSA.

(11-05-2013 11:07 PM)CivilEng Wrote:  

(11-05-2013 10:26 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(11-05-2013 09:32 PM)CivilEng Wrote:  

(11-05-2013 04:16 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(11-05-2013 03:55 PM)joshdude182 Wrote:  Just like it set in for the AAC? You don't really believe the Sun Belt is a better conference than CUSA. You're just putting down CUSA to assert your superiority over your former conference. I'd love to hear your thoughts on things had Memphis not been invited to the AAC.

He doesn't have to think it. Statistics say that the Sun Belt is indeed a better conference than CUSA this year.

It seems that many here can't make the distinction between fielding better FOOTBALL teams and being the better conference. Everything seems to indicate that the SB has been stronger in football (slightly) these passed two years. That does not make it a better conference than CUSA. If you look at what each conference offers their members, there's no doubt that CUSA is the better conference. Better exposure, bowls, TV contract and easier travel( from a financial stand point) since most of the teams are in major metropolitan areas with easy access to major airports.

CUSA gets that because of PERCEPTION. It means they were pretty good once, and despite the fact that none of those teams are left, they still get the same access because they are still perceived as a better league.

It does not actually mean it is a better league.

CUSA is the better conference. It offers its members more money, exposure and the platform to develop and grow. CUSA has actually helped teams grow and move into P5 conferences which is what we all ultimately wish for one they.

And it offers that money and platform because perception gave it to them.

It's all about perception.

In reality, the current lineup of CUSA folks merely inherited contracts and such leftover when the better members moved out. They will lose some of this, in the same way the AAC will backslide.

(11-05-2013 11:12 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(11-05-2013 11:07 PM)CivilEng Wrote:  

(11-05-2013 10:26 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(11-05-2013 09:32 PM)CivilEng Wrote:  

(11-05-2013 04:16 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  He doesn't have to think it. Statistics say that the Sun Belt is indeed a better conference than CUSA this year.

It seems that many here can't make the distinction between fielding better FOOTBALL teams and being the better conference. Everything seems to indicate that the SB has been stronger in football (slightly) these passed two years. That does not make it a better conference than CUSA. If you look at what each conference offers their members, there's no doubt that CUSA is the better conference. Better exposure, bowls, TV contract and easier travel( from a financial stand point) since most of the teams are in major metropolitan areas with easy access to major airports.

CUSA gets that because of PERCEPTION. It means they were pretty good once, and despite the fact that none of those teams are left, they still get the same access because they are still perceived as a better league.

It does not actually mean it is a better league.

CUSA is the better conference. It offers its members more money, exposure and the platform to develop and grow. CUSA has actually helped teams grow and move into P5 conferences which is what we all ultimately wish for one they.

And it offers that money and platform because perception gave it to them.

As far as perception, it doesn't seem like this will change anytime soon. Just look at the bowl line up that were recently negotiated with the schools that will compose the league in the near future. If this is any indication, the new TV contract should be pretty decent as well.
I guess perception will begin to change once SB schools begin to turn down offers from CUSA. Until then, CUSA will stay above the SB the same way the AAC is above CUSA.

The way you format your threads, as well as your massive signature, make me want to slap you in the ******* face.

Its entirely possible an SBC school has already turned down CUSA. Many of us forget that in realigbnment, we rarely find out about offers that are declined, because no one wants to openly admit they entertained the option of leaving their current league, and no league would dare admit that someone turned them down.

The few examples we do have of it have only come out over time, or are just assumed because of media sources. There is nothing saying a current SBC school hasn't turned down CUSA. It may never ever truly come out, but it would not shock me at all if an SBC program had told CUSA no.

I'll leave you guys with that tasty little nugget and see where it goes from here in the morning.

Its entirely possible an SBC school has already turned down CUSA.

You are dead wrong here. Working for Memphis I was closely involved and I can tell you all of the offers that were made by CUSA to Sun Belt schools
were accepted.

Back last March I stated on this board that Tulsa was going to the AAC and WKU would go to CUSA before it became official.

And I was rebutted by an ASU poster no way, and how could I know that. Easy, we were still in CUSA and moving to the AAC.

(11-06-2013 04:07 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  Its entirely possible an SBC school has already turned down CUSA. Many of us forget that in realigbnment, we rarely find out about offers that are declined, because no one wants to openly admit they entertained the option of leaving their current league, and no league would dare admit that someone turned them down.

The few examples we do have of it have only come out over time, or are just assumed because of media sources. There is nothing saying a current SBC school hasn't turned down CUSA. It may never ever truly come out, but it would not shock me at all if an SBC program had told CUSA no.

I'll leave you guys with that tasty little nugget and see where it goes from here in the morning.

Nothing is 100%, but UL did not, and would not turn down the C USA that regrouped last year. I cannot speak for ASAU at all, but I have a strong feeling they would not either.

ULM did not get a feeler, TxSt tried to get to C USA. Highly doubtful Troy, South, and Ga State got feelers in the past.

You are correct we probably will never know the absolute truth but I would bet a lot that none of the current members turned down feelers for a C USA membership.

(11-05-2013 11:07 PM)CivilEng Wrote:  

(11-05-2013 10:26 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(11-05-2013 09:32 PM)CivilEng Wrote:  

(11-05-2013 04:16 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(11-05-2013 03:55 PM)joshdude182 Wrote:  Just like it set in for the AAC? You don't really believe the Sun Belt is a better conference than CUSA. You're just putting down CUSA to assert your superiority over your former conference. I'd love to hear your thoughts on things had Memphis not been invited to the AAC.

He doesn't have to think it. Statistics say that the Sun Belt is indeed a better conference than CUSA this year.

It seems that many here can't make the distinction between fielding better FOOTBALL teams and being the better conference. Everything seems to indicate that the SB has been stronger in football (slightly) these passed two years. That does not make it a better conference than CUSA. If you look at what each conference offers their members, there's no doubt that CUSA is the better conference. Better exposure, bowls, TV contract and easier travel( from a financial stand point) since most of the teams are in major metropolitan areas with easy access to major airports.

CUSA gets that because of PERCEPTION. It means they were pretty good once, and despite the fact that none of those teams are left, they still get the same access because they are still perceived as a better league.

It does not actually mean it is a better league.

CUSA is the better conference. It offers its members more money, exposure and the platform to develop and grow. CUSA has actually helped teams grow and move into P5 conferences which is what we all ultimately wish for one day. As far as perception, it doesn't seem like this will change anytime soon. Just look at the bowl line up that we're recently negotiated with the schools that will compose the league in the near future. If this is any indication, the new TV contract should be pretty decent as well.
I guess perception will begin to change once SB schools begin to turn down offers from CUSA. Until then, CUSA will stay above the SB the same way the AAC is above CUSA.

And exactly what did FIU bring to the current C USA? A dysfunctional athletic department, bad coaching, bad teams, decent baseball, and a .0001 share of the Metro Miami market, and of that .99 percent watch FIU soccer instead of football.

I'd really like to see where the G5 conferences stand in 5 or so years. After realignment has mostly settled down, the new teams have time to settle, and TV/bowl contracts are redone. Then we can see who benefited the most from all the moves.

My one concern is ASU and UL both leaving for CUSA after another shuffle of teams.

A lack of stability is the SBC's greatest weakness.

(11-06-2013 08:54 AM)trueeagle98 Wrote:  I'd really like to see where the G5 conferences stand in 5 or so years. After realignment has mostly settled down, the new teams have time to settle, and TV/bowl contracts are redone. Then we can see who benefited the most from all the moves.

My one concern is ASU and UL both leaving for CUSA after another shuffle of teams.

A lack of stability is the SBC's greatest weakness.

First chance we get...out the door. It's not you...It's us.

(11-06-2013 09:11 AM)cajunbane Wrote:  

(11-06-2013 08:54 AM)trueeagle98 Wrote:  I'd really like to see where the G5 conferences stand in 5 or so years. After realignment has mostly settled down, the new teams have time to settle, and TV/bowl contracts are redone. Then we can see who benefited the most from all the moves.

My one concern is ASU and UL both leaving for CUSA after another shuffle of teams.

A lack of stability is the SBC's greatest weakness.

First chance we get...out the door. It's not you...It's us.

I understand, just wish it wasn't the case. I think all the G5 would benefit from a little stability right now. IF JMU or MoSt join and the SBC can stay at 12 teams for 5+ years then it will be a top G5 conference in football and baseball. Hopefully improving in basketball

(11-06-2013 07:13 AM)CajunExpress Wrote:  

(11-05-2013 11:07 PM)CivilEng Wrote:  

(11-05-2013 10:26 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(11-05-2013 09:32 PM)CivilEng Wrote:  

(11-05-2013 04:16 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  He doesn't have to think it. Statistics say that the Sun Belt is indeed a better conference than CUSA this year.

It seems that many here can't make the distinction between fielding better FOOTBALL teams and being the better conference. Everything seems to indicate that the SB has been stronger in football (slightly) these passed two years. That does not make it a better conference than CUSA. If you look at what each conference offers their members, there's no doubt that CUSA is the better conference. Better exposure, bowls, TV contract and easier travel( from a financial stand point) since most of the teams are in major metropolitan areas with easy access to major airports.

CUSA gets that because of PERCEPTION. It means they were pretty good once, and despite the fact that none of those teams are left, they still get the same access because they are still perceived as a better league.

It does not actually mean it is a better league.

CUSA is the better conference. It offers its members more money, exposure and the platform to develop and grow. CUSA has actually helped teams grow and move into P5 conferences which is what we all ultimately wish for one day. As far as perception, it doesn't seem like this will change anytime soon. Just look at the bowl line up that we're recently negotiated with the schools that will compose the league in the near future. If this is any indication, the new TV contract should be pretty decent as well.
I guess perception will begin to change once SB schools begin to turn down offers from CUSA. Until then, CUSA will stay above the SB the same way the AAC is above CUSA.

And exactly what did FIU bring to the current C USA? A dysfunctional athletic department, bad coaching, bad teams, decent baseball, and a .0001 share of the Metro Miami market, and of that .99 percent watch FIU soccer instead of football.

What would've ULL brought to CUSA had they been invited 2-3 years ago? You guys act like you've always been this competitive. You guys sucked for a very long time. Wasn't 2011 your first bowl appearance in school history? Sad but FIU and FAU have more bowl appearances than ULL and ULM combined. And we've only been around for a decade.

(11-06-2013 09:16 AM)CivilEng Wrote:  

(11-06-2013 07:13 AM)CajunExpress Wrote:  

(11-05-2013 11:07 PM)CivilEng Wrote:  

(11-05-2013 10:26 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(11-05-2013 09:32 PM)CivilEng Wrote:  It seems that many here can't make the distinction between fielding better FOOTBALL teams and being the better conference. Everything seems to indicate that the SB has been stronger in football (slightly) these passed two years. That does not make it a better conference than CUSA. If you look at what each conference offers their members, there's no doubt that CUSA is the better conference. Better exposure, bowls, TV contract and easier travel( from a financial stand point) since most of the teams are in major metropolitan areas with easy access to major airports.

CUSA gets that because of PERCEPTION. It means they were pretty good once, and despite the fact that none of those teams are left, they still get the same access because they are still perceived as a better league.

It does not actually mean it is a better league.

CUSA is the better conference. It offers its members more money, exposure and the platform to develop and grow. CUSA has actually helped teams grow and move into P5 conferences which is what we all ultimately wish for one day. As far as perception, it doesn't seem like this will change anytime soon. Just look at the bowl line up that we're recently negotiated with the schools that will compose the league in the near future. If this is any indication, the new TV contract should be pretty decent as well.
I guess perception will begin to change once SB schools begin to turn down offers from CUSA. Until then, CUSA will stay above the SB the same way the AAC is above CUSA.

And exactly what did FIU bring to the current C USA? A dysfunctional athletic department, bad coaching, bad teams, decent baseball, and a .0001 share of the Metro Miami market, and of that .99 percent watch FIU soccer instead of football.

What would've ULL brought to CUSA had they been invited 2-3 years ago? You guys act like you've always been this competitive. You guys sucked for a very long time. Wasn't 2011 your first bowl appearance in school history? Sad but FIU and FAU have more bowl appearances than ULL and ULM combined. And we've only been around for a decade.

Are you aware that UL has been bowl eligible for 7 of the last 9 years? While 5 of those were 6 win seasons, it still doesn't 'suck'.

(11-06-2013 09:25 AM)Vobserver Wrote:  

(11-06-2013 09:16 AM)CivilEng Wrote:  

(11-06-2013 07:13 AM)CajunExpress Wrote:  

(11-05-2013 11:07 PM)CivilEng Wrote:  

(11-05-2013 10:26 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  CUSA gets that because of PERCEPTION. It means they were pretty good once, and despite the fact that none of those teams are left, they still get the same access because they are still perceived as a better league.

It does not actually mean it is a better league.

CUSA is the better conference. It offers its members more money, exposure and the platform to develop and grow. CUSA has actually helped teams grow and move into P5 conferences which is what we all ultimately wish for one day. As far as perception, it doesn't seem like this will change anytime soon. Just look at the bowl line up that we're recently negotiated with the schools that will compose the league in the near future. If this is any indication, the new TV contract should be pretty decent as well.
I guess perception will begin to change once SB schools begin to turn down offers from CUSA. Until then, CUSA will stay above the SB the same way the AAC is above CUSA.

And exactly what did FIU bring to the current C USA? A dysfunctional athletic department, bad coaching, bad teams, decent baseball, and a .0001 share of the Metro Miami market, and of that .99 percent watch FIU soccer instead of football.

What would've ULL brought to CUSA had they been invited 2-3 years ago? You guys act like you've always been this competitive. You guys sucked for a very long time. Wasn't 2011 your first bowl appearance in school history? Sad but FIU and FAU have more bowl appearances than ULL and ULM combined. And we've only been around for a decade.

Are you aware that UL has been bowl eligible for 7 of the last 9 years? While 5 of those were 6 win seasons, it still doesn't 'suck'.

Oh man...even FIU's fans can't compete.

It is kind of funny that an FIU fan is the one doing the talking.

I guess they need something in order to feel better about themselves, even if its conference affiliation. You have to make up for such a poor program somehow.

(11-06-2013 09:29 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  It is kind of funny that an FIU fan is the one doing the talking.

I guess they need something in order to feel better about themselves, even if its conference affiliation. You have to make up for such a poor program somehow.

Actually if you read the chain of posts you'll notice that I've only been discussing about the two leagues. That was until an ULL fan singled out FIU.

(11-06-2013 09:34 AM)CivilEng Wrote:  

(11-06-2013 09:29 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  It is kind of funny that an FIU fan is the one doing the talking.

I guess they need something in order to feel better about themselves, even if its conference affiliation. You have to make up for such a poor program somehow.

Actually if you read the chain of posts you'll notice that I've only been discussing about the two leagues. That was until an ULL fan singled out FIU.

From now on you will be called an FU fan. Since you like to add letters to our name...we are going to subtract letters from your name. Seems fair.

(11-06-2013 09:34 AM)CivilEng Wrote:  

(11-06-2013 09:29 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  It is kind of funny that an FIU fan is the one doing the talking.

I guess they need something in order to feel better about themselves, even if its conference affiliation. You have to make up for such a poor program somehow.

Actually if you read the chain of posts you'll notice that I've only been discussing about the two leagues. That was until an ULL fan singled out FIU.

Everybody is aware of the current facts. CUSA has better bowl affiliations and such but the issue of who is stronger, or however you want to frame it, is essentially unanswerable because there are so many factors and so many factors people consider irrelevant.

So, what would you like to discuss now? FIU's rise to football dominance and how they alone will power CUSA to P5 statutes? Wait, maybe its Southern Miss that will do that huh?

(11-06-2013 09:42 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(11-06-2013 09:34 AM)CivilEng Wrote:  

(11-06-2013 09:29 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  It is kind of funny that an FIU fan is the one doing the talking.

I guess they need something in order to feel better about themselves, even if its conference affiliation. You have to make up for such a poor program somehow.

Actually if you read the chain of posts you'll notice that I've only been discussing about the two leagues. That was until an ULL fan singled out FIU.

Everybody is aware of the current facts. CUSA has better bowl affiliations and such but the issue of who is stronger, or however you want to frame it, is essentially unanswerable because there are so many factors and so many factors people consider irrelevant.

So, what would you like to discuss now? FIU's rise to football dominance and how they alone will power CUSA to P5 statutes? Wait, maybe its Southern Miss that will do that huh?

Create a thread and I'll be happy to discuss that with you. No need to derail this one.