(11-02-2013 08:54 PM)mathenis89 Wrote:  

(11-02-2013 08:37 PM)BRtransplant Wrote:  The SBC is in trouble. It has lost five members to CUSA in the last year, and it is quite likely to lose a couple more in the coming year. ASU, ULL, and Texas State all know exactly what is at stake. To put it simply, it will be a total disaster for whoever is left behind by the other two. No matter which two leave, the Sun Belt won't recover from it. That is why any SBC member who can will jump at a chance to leave for CUSA.

I'd love ASU and Texas State.

I'd love South Alabama too.

Translation: any somewhat respectable program besides the Cajuns. Geez, you're such a vag.

(11-02-2013 09:44 PM)CajunFanatico Wrote:  

(11-02-2013 09:33 PM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  

(11-02-2013 07:15 PM)mathenis89 Wrote:  To answer the OP, Conference USA is justa better conference,overall.

And reading this message board for a year now, CUSA is filled with programs who care about basketball, SUn Belt does not have many such fans.....Anyone discrediting CUSA in hoops does not know basketball or understand the potential....Football I think CUSA is at clearly the lowest point ever...Sun Belt meanwhile adds 4 huge ? marks, so its a wash...I do think WKU will have an easier time in CUSA next season football wise vs. what we faced this season in Sun Belt..

I agree that next year's C-USA will be a strong basketball conference. Football? Not so much. Baseball? I think the Belt will be a decent conference again next year.

We'll be even better in baseball. We're replacing a decent but not great WKU program with one of the top 40 programs in the country in Georgia Southern, and App isn't too shabby at it either.

Basketball loses a lot, but baseball will be fine.

(11-02-2013 10:18 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(11-02-2013 09:44 PM)CajunFanatico Wrote:  

(11-02-2013 09:33 PM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  

(11-02-2013 07:15 PM)mathenis89 Wrote:  To answer the OP, Conference USA is justa better conference,overall.

And reading this message board for a year now, CUSA is filled with programs who care about basketball, SUn Belt does not have many such fans.....Anyone discrediting CUSA in hoops does not know basketball or understand the potential....Football I think CUSA is at clearly the lowest point ever...Sun Belt meanwhile adds 4 huge ? marks, so its a wash...I do think WKU will have an easier time in CUSA next season football wise vs. what we faced this season in Sun Belt..

I agree that next year's C-USA will be a strong basketball conference. Football? Not so much. Baseball? I think the Belt will be a decent conference again next year.

We'll be even better in baseball. We're replacing a decent but not great WKU program with one of the top 40 programs in the country in Georgia Southern, and App isn't too shabby at it either.

Basketball loses a lot, but baseball will be fine.

Thanks Chiefsfan, I'm clearly not up to snuff on the baseball end of things. Good to hear that Georgia Southern and App are both quality baseball additions.

(11-02-2013 10:18 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(11-02-2013 09:44 PM)CajunFanatico Wrote:  

(11-02-2013 09:33 PM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  

(11-02-2013 07:15 PM)mathenis89 Wrote:  To answer the OP, Conference USA is justa better conference,overall.

And reading this message board for a year now, CUSA is filled with programs who care about basketball, SUn Belt does not have many such fans.....Anyone discrediting CUSA in hoops does not know basketball or understand the potential....Football I think CUSA is at clearly the lowest point ever...Sun Belt meanwhile adds 4 huge ? marks, so its a wash...I do think WKU will have an easier time in CUSA next season football wise vs. what we faced this season in Sun Belt..

I agree that next year's C-USA will be a strong basketball conference. Football? Not so much. Baseball? I think the Belt will be a decent conference again next year.

We'll be even better in baseball. We're replacing a decent but not great WKU program with one of the top 40 programs in the country in Georgia Southern, and App isn't too shabby at it either.

Basketball loses a lot, but baseball will be fine.

Is TXST decent in baseball? I know they're pretty solid in softball.

(11-02-2013 10:30 PM)CajunFan3406 Wrote:  

(11-02-2013 10:18 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(11-02-2013 09:44 PM)CajunFanatico Wrote:  

(11-02-2013 09:33 PM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  

(11-02-2013 07:15 PM)mathenis89 Wrote:  To answer the OP, Conference USA is justa better conference,overall.

And reading this message board for a year now, CUSA is filled with programs who care about basketball, SUn Belt does not have many such fans.....Anyone discrediting CUSA in hoops does not know basketball or understand the potential....Football I think CUSA is at clearly the lowest point ever...Sun Belt meanwhile adds 4 huge ? marks, so its a wash...I do think WKU will have an easier time in CUSA next season football wise vs. what we faced this season in Sun Belt..

I agree that next year's C-USA will be a strong basketball conference. Football? Not so much. Baseball? I think the Belt will be a decent conference again next year.

We'll be even better in baseball. We're replacing a decent but not great WKU program with one of the top 40 programs in the country in Georgia Southern, and App isn't too shabby at it either.

Basketball loses a lot, but baseball will be fine.

Is TXST decent in baseball? I know they're pretty solid in softball.

Just about every Texas team is good at baseball. They've been to the NCAA's recently, they just had a down year last season.

(11-02-2013 08:49 PM)CajunFanatico Wrote:  

(11-02-2013 08:37 PM)BRtransplant Wrote:  The SBC is in trouble. It has lost five members to CUSA in the last year, and it is quite likely to lose a couple more in the coming year. ASU, ULL, and Texas State all know exactly what is at stake. To put it simply, it will be a total disaster for whoever is left behind by the other two. No matter which two leave, the Sun Belt won't recover from it. That is why any SBC member who can will jump at a chance to leave for CUSA.

Who do you believe will jump ship next year? I would like to see the Belt survive and prosper as I believe there's room for all of us below the P-5's.

I believe that there are two likely scenarios. In the first, I see ULL and Texas State leaving the SBC for CUSA. In that scenario, ASU is left behind and is totally screwed. The second scenario involves UTSA. One has to be impressed with the rapid development of UTSA as a legitimate FBS program. Since the MWC and the AAC both covet the San Antonio market, one of them may very well lure UTSA away from CUSA. If that happens, ASU will join ULL and Texas State in moving to CUSA next year. That will leave the SBC in tatters. I don't wish this on the Sun Belt, its just how I see the landscape taking shape. There is room for all of us below the P-5, but there will definitely be a pecking order among the G-5 conferences. Right now, it isn't looking good for the Sun Belt.

(11-02-2013 10:10 PM)CajunFan3406 Wrote:  

(11-02-2013 08:54 PM)mathenis89 Wrote:  

(11-02-2013 08:37 PM)BRtransplant Wrote:  The SBC is in trouble. It has lost five members to CUSA in the last year, and it is quite likely to lose a couple more in the coming year. ASU, ULL, and Texas State all know exactly what is at stake. To put it simply, it will be a total disaster for whoever is left behind by the other two. No matter which two leave, the Sun Belt won't recover from it. That is why any SBC member who can will jump at a chance to leave for CUSA.

I'd love ASU and Texas State.

I'd love South Alabama too.

Translation: any somewhat respectable program besides the Cajuns. Geez, you're such a vag.

South Alabama has no chance at CUSA membership right now. USM would block that move. Now, if USM were to leave for the AAC……well, we won't go there. When CUSA added MT and WKU, it greatly enhanced ASU's chances for the next open spot since they are a good geographic fit for those schools. That makes ASU a definite contender. The interest that other conferences have in UTSA because of the San Antonio market makes it likely that UTSA will move on. For that reason, a preemptive move by CUSA of adding Texas State would make perfect sense, so you've got to like Texas State's chances. ULL is a perfect geographic fit for CUSA members Rice, La Tech, and USM. The Cajun's are close enough to make travel easy, yet far enough away not to be in anyone's backyard. That makes the Cajuns a strong contender as well. It will be interesting. My money is on ULL and Texas State being the next two additions to CUSA, with ASU coming on board if UTSA leaves.

(11-02-2013 08:54 PM)mathenis89 Wrote:  

(11-02-2013 08:37 PM)BRtransplant Wrote:  The SBC is in trouble. It has lost five members to CUSA in the last year, and it is quite likely to lose a couple more in the coming year. ASU, ULL, and Texas State all know exactly what is at stake. To put it simply, it will be a total disaster for whoever is left behind by the other two. No matter which two leave, the Sun Belt won't recover from it. That is why any SBC member who can will jump at a chance to leave for CUSA.

I'd love ASU and Texas State.

I'd love South Alabama too.

Good day, sir.

(11-02-2013 08:37 PM)BRtransplant Wrote:  The SBC is in trouble. It has lost five members to CUSA in the last year, and it is quite likely to lose a couple more in the coming year. ASU, ULL, and Texas State all know exactly what is at stake. To put it simply, it will be a total disaster for whoever is left behind by the other two. No matter which two leave, the Sun Belt won't recover from it. That is why any SBC member who can will jump at a chance to leave for CUSA.

LOL!! CUSA is definitely having buyers remorse. Ltur, FIU, FAU, all great additions. LMAO!!

You worry about being the best you can be Tech boy. UL will handle their end.
We'll see how it washes out in a few years!!

Z

(11-03-2013 05:59 AM)BRtransplant Wrote:  

(11-02-2013 10:10 PM)CajunFan3406 Wrote:  

(11-02-2013 08:54 PM)mathenis89 Wrote:  

(11-02-2013 08:37 PM)BRtransplant Wrote:  The SBC is in trouble. It has lost five members to CUSA in the last year, and it is quite likely to lose a couple more in the coming year. ASU, ULL, and Texas State all know exactly what is at stake. To put it simply, it will be a total disaster for whoever is left behind by the other two. No matter which two leave, the Sun Belt won't recover from it. That is why any SBC member who can will jump at a chance to leave for CUSA.

I'd love ASU and Texas State.

I'd love South Alabama too.

Translation: any somewhat respectable program besides the Cajuns. Geez, you're such a vag.

South Alabama has no chance at CUSA membership right now. USM would block that move. Now, if USM were to leave for the AAC……well, we won't go there. When CUSA added MT and WKU, it greatly enhanced ASU's chances for the next open spot since they are a good geographic fit for those schools. That makes ASU a definite contender. The interest that other conferences have in UTSA because of the San Antonio market makes it likely that UTSA will move on. For that reason, a preemptive move by CUSA of adding Texas State would make perfect sense, so you've got to like Texas State's chances. ULL is a perfect geographic fit for CUSA members Rice, La Tech, and USM. The Cajun's are close enough to make travel easy, yet far enough away not to be in anyone's backyard. That makes the Cajuns a strong contender as well. It will be interesting. My money is on ULL and Texas State being the next two additions to CUSA, with ASU coming on board if UTSA leaves.

Thanks for the comments BR. Honestly, I'd like to see the Cajuns stay right where they are and field a strong football team (at least top 30 or so) and a strong baseball team (consistently in the top 20) each year.

The changes that have occurred in C-USA appear (at least to me) to have significantly weakened that conference as a football league while strengthening it as a basketball league. I suspect that if USM's football program hadn't been so dreadful these last few years, they'd have moved on by now....and will move on when their program picks up again.

If the Cajuns take care of business (ie, win games) and continue to improve their athletic facilities, everything else will fall into place in due time.

A general question, and one someone here should be able to answer. For the average university that participates in all sports, roughly what percentage of their "athletic income" is derived from football versus basketball versus baseball?

(11-02-2013 10:10 PM)CajunFan3406 Wrote:  

(11-02-2013 08:54 PM)mathenis89 Wrote:  

(11-02-2013 08:37 PM)BRtransplant Wrote:  The SBC is in trouble. It has lost five members to CUSA in the last year, and it is quite likely to lose a couple more in the coming year. ASU, ULL, and Texas State all know exactly what is at stake. To put it simply, it will be a total disaster for whoever is left behind by the other two. No matter which two leave, the Sun Belt won't recover from it. That is why any SBC member who can will jump at a chance to leave for CUSA.

I'd love ASU and Texas State.

I'd love South Alabama too.

Translation: any somewhat respectable program besides the Cajuns. Geez, you're such a vag.

And that's why I want your school to stay right where it's at while C-USA picks up schools with class.

(11-03-2013 09:14 AM)zeebart21 Wrote:  

(11-02-2013 08:37 PM)BRtransplant Wrote:  The SBC is in trouble. It has lost five members to CUSA in the last year, and it is quite likely to lose a couple more in the coming year. ASU, ULL, and Texas State all know exactly what is at stake. To put it simply, it will be a total disaster for whoever is left behind by the other two. No matter which two leave, the Sun Belt won't recover from it. That is why any SBC member who can will jump at a chance to leave for CUSA.

LOL!! CUSA is definitely having buyers remorse. Ltur, FIU, FAU, all great additions. LMAO!!

You worry about being the best you can be Tech boy. UL will handle their end.
We'll see how it washes out in a few years!!

Z

Yes we will. And by the way, you've been saying that same thing for some time now. The only point I was making is that the Sun Belt stands to lose two or more of its premier programs in the near future and that if it does, it will be a terrible blow to the conference. Troy and ULM are screwed. At least ULL, TX ST, and ARK ST have realistic hope that they will be spared the pain that the Sun Belt may go through.

(11-03-2013 03:31 PM)BRtransplant Wrote:  

(11-03-2013 09:14 AM)zeebart21 Wrote:  

(11-02-2013 08:37 PM)BRtransplant Wrote:  The SBC is in trouble. It has lost five members to CUSA in the last year, and it is quite likely to lose a couple more in the coming year. ASU, ULL, and Texas State all know exactly what is at stake. To put it simply, it will be a total disaster for whoever is left behind by the other two. No matter which two leave, the Sun Belt won't recover from it. That is why any SBC member who can will jump at a chance to leave for CUSA.

LOL!! CUSA is definitely having buyers remorse. Ltur, FIU, FAU, all great additions. LMAO!!

You worry about being the best you can be Tech boy. UL will handle their end.
We'll see how it washes out in a few years!!

Z

Yes we will. And by the way, you've been saying that same thing for some time now. The only point I was making is that the Sun Belt stands to lose two or more of its premier programs in the near future and that if it does, it will be a terrible blow to the conference. Troy and ULM are screwed. At least ULL, TX ST, and ARK ST have realistic hope that they will be spared the pain that the Sun Belt may go through.

ASU, ULL, and Texas State being in better shape than Troy or ULM have nothing to do with getting out of the Sun Belt as much as it does that all three programs get along well enough that if something did happen, we stand a good shot at being able to stay together.

There is not a damned thing wrong with the SBC except two things. Need more and better bowls, and the next group of move ups, not Appy State, or Ga Southern, but the next FCS group. That is the big negative.

(11-03-2013 10:20 AM)mathenis89 Wrote:  

(11-02-2013 10:10 PM)CajunFan3406 Wrote:  

(11-02-2013 08:54 PM)mathenis89 Wrote:  

(11-02-2013 08:37 PM)BRtransplant Wrote:  The SBC is in trouble. It has lost five members to CUSA in the last year, and it is quite likely to lose a couple more in the coming year. ASU, ULL, and Texas State all know exactly what is at stake. To put it simply, it will be a total disaster for whoever is left behind by the other two. No matter which two leave, the Sun Belt won't recover from it. That is why any SBC member who can will jump at a chance to leave for CUSA.

I'd love ASU and Texas State.

I'd love South Alabama too.

Translation: any somewhat respectable program besides the Cajuns. Geez, you're such a vag.

And that's why I want your school to stay right where it's at while C-USA picks up schools with class.

Speaking of class, you do realize that Bobby Petrino is your football coach?

(11-02-2013 10:45 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(11-02-2013 10:30 PM)CajunFan3406 Wrote:  

(11-02-2013 10:18 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(11-02-2013 09:44 PM)CajunFanatico Wrote:  

(11-02-2013 09:33 PM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  And reading this message board for a year now, CUSA is filled with programs who care about basketball, SUn Belt does not have many such fans.....Anyone discrediting CUSA in hoops does not know basketball or understand the potential....Football I think CUSA is at clearly the lowest point ever...Sun Belt meanwhile adds 4 huge ? marks, so its a wash...I do think WKU will have an easier time in CUSA next season football wise vs. what we faced this season in Sun Belt..

I agree that next year's C-USA will be a strong basketball conference. Football? Not so much. Baseball? I think the Belt will be a decent conference again next year.

We'll be even better in baseball. We're replacing a decent but not great WKU program with one of the top 40 programs in the country in Georgia Southern, and App isn't too shabby at it either.

Basketball loses a lot, but baseball will be fine.

Is TXST decent in baseball? I know they're pretty solid in softball.

Just about every Texas team is good at baseball. They've been to the NCAA's recently, they just had a down year last season.

Thought they were a pretty good program, but you mentioned only App and Georgia Southern as good adds for baseball. I suppose you can add TxSt to the list as well.

(11-02-2013 10:16 AM)CajunFanatico Wrote:  

(11-02-2013 09:05 AM)Wild Bill Kelso Wrote:  With what all is taking place in FBS the moves may be irrelevant. I think CUSA and SunBelt will look dramatically different in 4-5 years.

Based on what is happening in the Power Five conferences now I honestly think there will be a restructuring of the so-called Group of Five conferences in a few years. The Power Five is in separation mode and in light of comments made earlier this week by Big Ten Commissioner Jim Delaney it will be sooner than later. It won't take long for their 4 team playoff to expand to 8 teams once the controversy over who was left out creeps in. That will mandate 14 bowls, 15 if they incorporate one of the Big Four into the national championship game, which is about half of the bowls on this years schedule. It isn't hard to figure out which ones will be involved if you look at current conference bowl tie ins. Call me a conspiracy theorist, but it appears the groundwork for this has been being laid for several years.

The TV money that will be poured into this P5 playoff will be mind boggling. There are only so many dollars to go around and my fear is it will eat up most of the revenue the GOF schools now get. Less TV money means less $'s schools have to send teams to across far flung conference. A restructuring of the GOF into more regional conferences will have to take place. The GOF will have no choice but to have their own playoff, that I'm guessing will more resemble the FCS model with on campus games to save money.

What the big guys started in 1977, complete autonomy in their own division, will finally come to fruition 40 years later. I have been involved in this stuff a long time and the main reason I have wanted App out of 1-AA / FCS for years. We won't be in the top level, but we won't be in the bottom either.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/delany-says...--spt.html

Good post Wild Bill. In a thousand words or less, teach me some stuff about App State. I'm really in the dark.

As GoApps70 correctly speculated I was in Boone yesterday. I'll toss my .02 in on top of what he said and try not to be redundant. A thousand words or less eh??? App state is first and foremost a football school. Basketball, while sparingly successful from time to time, is just something to do to get us through the winter to spring practice. Baseball has come on strong the last 7 years and our new coach (lost the old one to Duke) is continuing to move the program forward. Since the glory years of 2005-07 facilities for all our sports have been improved greatly. I'll put a link below.

Attendance has been predictably lower this year. Yesterday it was cold, windy, rained a bit and even a few snow flakes. Only 19,000 showed up to break a string of 50 home games with attendance over capacity - 24,500. Our fans can rabid and are not used to losing. App State is one of the most picturesque campuses in the country and the stadium setting at Kidd Brewer is exceptional.

You'll learn more from these websites than I say say here. Hope we have enlightened you a bit.


http://www.playattherock.com/

http://www.appstate.edu/about/

(11-03-2013 05:24 PM)CajunFan3406 Wrote:  

(11-02-2013 10:45 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(11-02-2013 10:30 PM)CajunFan3406 Wrote:  

(11-02-2013 10:18 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(11-02-2013 09:44 PM)CajunFanatico Wrote:  I agree that next year's C-USA will be a strong basketball conference. Football? Not so much. Baseball? I think the Belt will be a decent conference again next year.

We'll be even better in baseball. We're replacing a decent but not great WKU program with one of the top 40 programs in the country in Georgia Southern, and App isn't too shabby at it either.

Basketball loses a lot, but baseball will be fine.

Is TXST decent in baseball? I know they're pretty solid in softball.

Just about every Texas team is good at baseball. They've been to the NCAA's recently, they just had a down year last season.

Thought they were a pretty good program, but you mentioned only App and Georgia Southern as good adds for baseball. I suppose you can add TxSt to the list as well.

They are already in the league. I am just going through who we are adding for 2014.

(11-03-2013 05:29 PM)Wild Bill Kelso Wrote:  

(11-02-2013 10:16 AM)CajunFanatico Wrote:  

(11-02-2013 09:05 AM)Wild Bill Kelso Wrote:  With what all is taking place in FBS the moves may be irrelevant. I think CUSA and SunBelt will look dramatically different in 4-5 years.

Based on what is happening in the Power Five conferences now I honestly think there will be a restructuring of the so-called Group of Five conferences in a few years. The Power Five is in separation mode and in light of comments made earlier this week by Big Ten Commissioner Jim Delaney it will be sooner than later. It won't take long for their 4 team playoff to expand to 8 teams once the controversy over who was left out creeps in. That will mandate 14 bowls, 15 if they incorporate one of the Big Four into the national championship game, which is about half of the bowls on this years schedule. It isn't hard to figure out which ones will be involved if you look at current conference bowl tie ins. Call me a conspiracy theorist, but it appears the groundwork for this has been being laid for several years.

The TV money that will be poured into this P5 playoff will be mind boggling. There are only so many dollars to go around and my fear is it will eat up most of the revenue the GOF schools now get. Less TV money means less $'s schools have to send teams to across far flung conference. A restructuring of the GOF into more regional conferences will have to take place. The GOF will have no choice but to have their own playoff, that I'm guessing will more resemble the FCS model with on campus games to save money.

What the big guys started in 1977, complete autonomy in their own division, will finally come to fruition 40 years later. I have been involved in this stuff a long time and the main reason I have wanted App out of 1-AA / FCS for years. We won't be in the top level, but we won't be in the bottom either.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/delany-says...--spt.html

Good post Wild Bill. In a thousand words or less, teach me some stuff about App State. I'm really in the dark.

As GoApps70 correctly speculated I was in Boone yesterday. I'll toss my .02 in on top of what he said and try not to be redundant. A thousand words or less eh??? App state is first and foremost a football school. Basketball, while sparingly successful from time to time, is just something to do to get us through the winter to spring practice. Baseball has come on strong the last 7 years and our new coach (lost the old one to Duke) is continuing to move the program forward. Since the glory years of 2005-07 facilities for all our sports have been improved greatly. I'll put a link below.

Attendance has been predictably lower this year. Yesterday it was cold, windy, rained a bit and even a few snow flakes. Only 19,000 showed up to break a string of 50 home games with attendance over capacity - 24,500. Our fans can rabid and are not used to losing. App State is one of the most picturesque campuses in the country and the stadium setting at Kidd Brewer is exceptional.

You'll learn more from these websites than I say say here. Hope we have enlightened you a bit.


http://www.playattherock.com/

http://www.appstate.edu/about/

Thanks WildBill! I'll check out those links now. BTW, you're not related to that WildBill guy from Silence of the Lambs, are you? If so, that mathenis guy from WKU needs a visit.

Wow!!! You guys need to check out Wild Bill's links. That is one cool website and the footage of you guys knocking off those Michigan aholes in front of 109,000+ fans was nothing short of amazing.

I LIKE WHAT I'M SEEING!!!!