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Vols_needisaymore Wrote:Ok, here goes! Your plan will not work. Not with the Tidewater argument. I used to live in VA Beach. You know why I said used to? That's right, I was in the Navy. So is the greatest percentage of the people in that region. (or other branches of service) Even the locals in that area support much bigger schools such as NCST, Duke, WF, UNC, VA, VT. Your not going to tap into a fanbase like that just because you become our newest version of Vanderbilt. Way to many of the migrant military living there have passion for their own schools back home. Not once in three years did anyone ever say "Hey let's go watch EC play this weekend." :jet:
ok what is the military population of Tidewater? out of 4+million 10%=400,000 20%=800,000????????, a million????? how many are SEC fans? 10% ,20% ,30%?????????????????? i use to live in Va Beach myself, i herd a great deal about ECU. i went to school there. i know a great deal about tidewater also. when ODU in Norfolk was involved with starting up a D1 football program, they had support from the military, local communities and business sponsors. but before the community, ODU, and businessmen would put up the tens of millions to renovate and expand Forman Field for D1 football( the 30,000 seat old stadium(home of the old Oyster Bowl game) on the ODU campus) they wanted to have at liest one showcase game a year to justify the huge start up costs, so they quietly sent out feelers to the ACC, UVA and VaTech.to see if they would be intrested in playing in a new revivied Oyster Bowl game. they were flat out ignored. the support vanished, and ODU soon voted no to football, and tore down Foreman Field and built dorms. when the ACC, UVA, and Va Tech had a chance to shore up support in tidewater by playing one game a year there, they ignored it. they have always ignored tidewater it will soon bite them (the ACC) on there wallet. the fact is key officals of the SEC know all about ECU and its closeness to the large undervalued , overlooked tidewater market. they know a SEC afiliate in the largest market in the USA without a local D1 program or major league sports franchise would be a windfall and bring millions of$$$$$$$$$ to member SEC schools. the large sports media in tidewater would quickly give major coverage to the SEC afiliate. tens of thousands of football fans from all over tidewater Va and NC will make the short drive to ECU to see a SEC football game. that SEC afiliate will be ECU within 10 years 04-cheers
08-04-2004 02:19 PM
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This the field of dreams. The SEC is not looking to bring in a no name program, just to bring in a market. A market that barely fills seats for the sports teams they have. As far as football goes. The SEC is a very elite conference. There are coonferences that excel in one sport or two, but the SEC has top 5 teams in every sport. For ECU to ever dream of joining the SEC they would have to be able to bring something to the table. The stadiums in the SEC average 90,000 plus fans for football. For ECU to be of value they would have to be able to match that. I will tell you for a fact people don't fill up seats to see a blow-out. So ECU will also have to have a proven comodity. Then comes the actual money makers for a conference; TV games and bowls. You can't tell me that ECU is going to get on TV with their football team. Nor will they makeit to a decent bowl game any time soon. Now why haven't I mentioned the other sports. Well because they do not make money. At best they can be self supporting, but very rarely bring a substantial profit unless they are elite. Again elite is not a monacher I'm willing to pin on ECU. For them to come to an SEC calibur conference they will have to prove themselves for a pretty good while. I'm not at all implying that some of the schools in the SEC couldn't be weeded out, but there are other schools I believe would fill the spots better. 04-cheers
08-05-2004 06:11 AM
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Vols_needisaymore Wrote:This the field of dreams. The SEC is not looking to bring in a no name program, just to bring in a market. A market that barely fills seats for the sports teams they have. As far as football goes. The SEC is a very elite conference. There are coonferences that excel in one sport or two, but the SEC has top 5 teams in every sport. For ECU to ever dream of joining the SEC they would have to be able to bring something to the table. The stadiums in the SEC average 90,000 plus fans for football. For ECU to be of value they would have to be able to match that. I will tell you for a fact people don't fill up seats to see a blow-out. So ECU will also have to have a proven comodity. Then comes the actual money makers for a conference; TV games and bowls. You can't tell me that ECU is going to get on TV with their football team. Nor will they makeit to a decent bowl game any time soon. Now why haven't I mentioned the other sports. Well because they do not make money. At best they can be self supporting, but very rarely bring a substantial profit unless they are elite. Again elite is not a monacher I'm willing to pin on ECU. For them to come to an SEC calibur conference they will have to prove themselves for a pretty good while. I'm not at all implying that some of the schools in the SEC couldn't be weeded out, but there are other schools I believe would fill the spots better. 04-cheers
Vol need i say more. true the SEC is an elite conference. but its becoming very clear college football at the level of the SEC, ACC, Big 10 is very ,very big business.its about branding, marketing, and openning new markets. what is a clear fact is that there is a huge market, left wide open that very key SEC officals know about. these officals of the SEC also know another elite conference the ACC ignored this market and takes it for granted. they also know a sleeping giant of a school , a school that has been overlooked and undervalued, a school that has run a respected and very clean upright program, on the doorstep of this market, ECU, would move quickly to expand facilities,and compete quickly with other SEC schools, and do it the right way. with ECU's, SEC afiliation, things would change instantly as far as, media coverage, business ,alumni, local and state government support. SEC afiliation for ECU,the area of eastern NC, the very close by huge tidewater Va and the vast section of southside Va and NC, would excite this overlooked area 1000 fold. as i said this is going to happen within the next 10 years 04-cheers
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Reports out of the Big East is that the BE isn't interested at all in East Carolina, they're a distant 4th on the radar, so now this guy is running around to different boards begging for people to have interest in ECU going to the SEC. ECU isn't going to the SEC, the SEC isn't expanding. The Big East looks to be a pipe dream as well.
08-27-2004 06:27 PM
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US Bureau of Labor Statistics 2000 figures, population of NORFOLK-VA BEACH alone is, 1,574,204, the entire Tidewater VA- eastern NC area is close to 4+ million. by 2010 the area could be 6+million. this is just to big a market for the SEC to overlook. the fact is the market will be cherry picked by the SEC, within 10 years, its afiliate will be, ECU. the market is just to big and would bring millions to the SEC. the SEC has key officals in place who have direct ties to ECU who have taken note of this. ECU, and its close by large, overlooked and cronicly undervalued ,Tidewater VA and NC market , will be a bold move for the SEC that will pay member schools millions, and excite the area for SEC football. tens of thousands of the unifiliated,plus tens of thousands of SEC fans all over tidewater VA and NC will make the short drive to ECU to see a SEC football game.

This is bullsh*t. The reason the Big East didn't want East Carolina is because of their market size. ECU fans and officials can lie about the market size all you want, but it wasn't big enough to justify the Big East picking up ECU and you can sure as hell bet the SEC wants no part of it. I don't know where you get this "in ten years" crap that you keep spreading around the net. ECU is not even CLOSE to being able to compete in the SEC in ANY sport outside of baseball. Their market size is nothing compared to the rest of the SEC and Big East, and they're horrible in the top two revenue generating sports: basketball and football. And ten years from now ECU might improve, but so might Memphis, who is greatly improved in football now and have a Top 20 basketball program, Southern Miss, who only needs to upgrade their basketball and they have taken major steps to do so, and other programs. And their market is nothing compared to other candidates for potential conference expansion.
08-28-2004 11:10 AM
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Pirate65, let me give you a little insight on your ideas. First, the SEC is about football. Sure, we play other sports but football is the king. ECU can't even compete in CUSA(the weakest conf. in the nation), so how do you figure they could survive in the SEC. We already have Kentucky & Vandy as the doormats, so we don't need another. We keep Kentucky for their basketball and Vandy for their brains 03-lol . What in the world could ECU possibly put on the table. We already are the richest conf. in the nation. We don't need another to share the wealth with. 10 years my arse..........ECU want be in the SEC in 50 years!!
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This thread started on April 20...it is still going on. :rolleyes:
08-29-2004 05:21 PM
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If the SEC ever expands, they need to expand by 2..but I doubt it'll happen

If not.. ECU does have a more complete program than other C-USA schools.. but Louisville would be a strong C-USA grab too.
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Reb65,

I do hope you are an Ole Miss REb and not a UNLV Reb. I am responding to an Ole Miss Reb so if you are from UNLV read no more. With that said I will respond to your post. First of all ECU is a football school in the state of NC. Football is more than a sport here, it is a culture. East Carolina has some of the best facilities in the nation. Our baseball program is a great program making it to the Super Regionals twice in the last three years. Our basketball program is on the rise with Bill Herrion at the helm. Our athletic department has been a mess for several reasons, however with the recent hiring of Terry Holland as our athletic director, ECU is set to get back on the national stage.

Now to football. We are down in football there is no doubt about that fact. But a couple of bad years does not set the mark for a program and East Carolina has had many successes in the last decade. Until this whole BCS BS, ECU was the premier football program in the state of North Carolina. No if ands or buts about it. Through the nineties this was the case. ECU was surpassing all of our neighbors here in the state of NC in football. Then wham, here comes the BCS. Now ECU is at a severe disadvantage recruting wise. Even a program like Duke and Wake Forest now have recruting advantages over ECU. When the tables were even ECU won. Now that they are not we don't. Nothing new to ECU we always overcome and prevail.

Now to the SEC. If the SEC came calling ECU,boy the sky would be the limit. The ACC folks here in the state would be going nuts. ECU would be even again recruting wise and probaly even at an advantage by being in the SEC for football, in the state if NC. Many NC recruits as wellas Tidewater recruits would be coming to ECU in the droves to play at a "football school". Remember Duke, UNC, NC State, and Wake are really basketball schools. Not football. Basketball drives the passion in ACC territory. But Down East, football is the passion. If you do not believe it come see for yourself in Greenville.

I know we all love our schools and think,in ways,we are superior when we are not. ECU is an SEC type school. Plain and simple. ECU fits the SEC mold. I know many think you are better than ECU because you are in the SEC. But I ask you this question. How many schools would East Carolina not have been competetive with year in and year out over the last decade in the SEC? Not many in the SEC. ECU owned USC in the nineties. We played Alablama to the end in the late nineties. We would have been equal or superior to Ole Miss, Auburn, Miss State, Arkansas, LSU, Vandy, Georgia, USC. Admittingly we would not have stacked up to Tennessee or Florida over the last decade but how many in the SEC did? Now I know over the past couple of years we have been down and many of the previous mentioned schools have been up. ie Georgia and LSU. But we will be back. Just like they came back.

All my point is that the SEC has lacked any NC prescence. Understandably the ACC has scared them in NC. But the ACC doesn't own all of NC believe me. The SEC could come to NC and open a whole new market. Suddenly people would care about the SEC in NC when historically NC hasn't cared.

The potential of East Carolina University scares the hell out of our instate "friends" in the ACC. This is not only true in athletics but on academics as well. ECU has a great fan base. True "SEC" type fans. Now in this day in time when TV markets matter more than fan base I say bull ******.

I respect all the instituions in the SEC, both academically and athletically. And I would ask the same of any of you to be the same towards my alma mater. East Carolina only wants to better itself and noone should put down a program trying to do that. Lets respect each other and educate ourselves on our schools and who knows Reb 65 you may change your mind.
09-09-2004 10:57 AM
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I respect ECU and your intent of trying to make it to the SEC. I strongly doubt the SEC though will ever go to 14 teams. For one, that's way too big a conference. I think for ECU to ever make it to the SEC, schools would have to leave. The Big XII has tried to court Arkansas for years, saying they'd drop Baylor to grab us. No way we'd take that offer though, because the SEC is much more financially beneficial. The Big 10 could court Kentucky, but it's doubtful. Vandy's going nowhere because of their academics.

However, for ECU to make a legitimate case, if I was Terry Holland, I'd do the following.

1) Expand your football stadium - 49,000 seats won't do in the SEC. Build it to 60,000. Then you've gotta fill it.
2) New basketball area - You've got to make it around 10,000 seats, new state-of-the-art equipment, and ECU has to make a consistent run of trips to the Big Dance.
3) Baseball success - build on the success of your baseball program. If ECU makes consistent trips to Omaha, or wins a couple of CWS, that will open some eyes here.
4) Change the name - No offense, but it will be hard to get here with a directional name.

Personally, I have no problems with ECU. John Thompson is a native of Arkansas, used to be a DC here, and is a great motivator and good person. I think you guys could really make some noise with the right people and right touches to your program. I'm just one who always says though that if you're gonna scream to be with the big boys... win and win and win to prove yourself.
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