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The SEC doesn't want ECU. In fact, they don't want anybody. They don't want to expand, an article came out back in May saying they explored expansion and NOBODY had interest in expansion. Memphis AD has asked the SEC about expansion and they have basically said it's a no go. The only BCS conferences that will likely expand are the Big East, MAYBE the Pac-10 and the Big Ten (only if they add Notre Dame). Other then that, no one else is expanding. And no one is interested at all in ECU, and with good reason. They don't bring a significant market, the basketball and football program are horrible and nobody knows anything about them. They had good teams about 5 or 6 years ago but so has Tulane an Marshall and Northern Illinois and Miami-OH and none of the BCS conferences are knocking down the door looking for them. And all of those programs basketball and football programs are in much better shape then ECU's, save for Tulane. The Big East is finally healing itself, the "New" Big East would have one Top 10 program (West Virginia) and one Top 15 program (Louisville) and one near Top 25 program who will be a Top 15 or 20 program next year (Pittsburgh) so what would adding ECU bring to the conference? It's in position to maintain its BCS slot, it doesn't bring a market. The Big East has the biggest collection of markets of any conference in America anyway. It doesn't improve football (ECU would be dead last in the Big East this year), they don't add anything to basketball (they would be 2nd or 3rd to last in the Big East this year) and Big East academics are fine. And the SEC is the SEC, they don't need any help, and ECU wouldn't help them anyway. Facts are facts, none of the BCS conferences want or need ECU.
11-07-2004 03:59 PM
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pirates4life Wrote:You do know that Memphis just went to their first bowl in 32 years last year right. Even when we were indy we went to more bowl games and won more bowls than they have and we have been left out of bowls that we probably deserved to be in but werent invited because we were Indy. Ask Ole Miss what it was like to play us in basketball in greenville. They didnt make it out of greenville with a win.
And since then Memphis has grown by leaps and bounds over ECU in football. ECU is about 20 games under-.500 over the last 4 years (seriously). I wouldn't rip Memphis' football program. As for the ACC being scared of ECU succeeding why? If ECU was such a sleeping giant the Big East would have scooped them up. And you can't use the excuse that they passed over ECU because of basketball because they scooped up South Florida. Bottomline it's ridiculous to say that people are scared of ECU, especially the ACC. The SEC is smart. If they really thought that ECU was such a sleeping giant they would have scooped them up. As is, the SEC already has a presence in the Carolina market (South Carolina).
11-07-2004 04:08 PM
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This UC fan has never ceased to amaze me. He/She finds threads about East Carolina everywhere and starts their rhetoric.

We know who owns who in football.

ECU has dominated the series with UC.

Oh by the way Claw has UC managed to get more than 15,000 to see your "great program" play?
11-09-2004 01:27 PM
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Quote:We can recruit against anyone in baseball.
If that fact helps you sleep at night, so be it.

Wouldn't have mattered if ECU hosted the SR or not, South Carolina had a deeper pitching staff than ECU. That's where the bigger conferences on the east have an advantage over a school like ECU. They'll have deeper pitching staffs and won't have to resort to pulling a guy off of second base to throw an inning -- saw how well that strategy paid off, didn't we 03-wink
11-11-2004 03:47 PM
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Before the $.02.. the baseball note

ECU had a great baseball team last year. Their SOS, coupled with the fact that they needed to travel to Kinston, NC to host a regional, probably cost them a Super Regional. However, you just gotta win 2 of 3 to get to Omaha... road or home.. best team will come out the winner. ECU maybe should have had a better draw. Then again, so should UA last year. We were one of only 3 of the national 8 seeds to make it to Omaha. Our reward though was to play #1 Texas the first game and that took the wind outta our sails. Should we have had a better draw? Definitely, however you gotta take the hand dealt to you. If you're the better team, you'll win. We didn't, so we're geared up for a second run to Omaha this year.

Now, onto the rest of this..

The only BCS conferences I expect to expand would be the Pac-10 and obviously the Big East. The Big East has made their initial move, we'll see if anything else happens. The Pac-10 would have to probably lure Colorado to join them, and then it's a virtual toss up for the next seed... maybe Utah if they can keep their hoops program strong.

If the Pac-10 gets Colorado, the Big XII then looks to fill their void. In all seriousness, the Big XII really would only make two possible offers that I can think of. They can offer it to Arkansas, who is closer to 5 Big XII schools than the nearest SEC program, or they can offer it to Iowa and have the Hawkeyes join Iowa State in the Big XII. Arkansas is going nowhere, as the SEC is way too lucrative to ever want or consider leaving. Iowa is the more likely bet.

Playing devil's advocate.. I'll give the options if either Arkansas or Iowa decided to head for the Big XII. If Arkansas left, the SEC would need to grab one school. The most likely bets would be either be Florida State, Clemson, Miami, GA Tech, or any of the NC schools. The longest possible shot would probably go to Louisville, but it's very doubtful. If either FSU or Clemson went, ECU could try for an ACC slot. If Iowa leaves, the Big Ten would put everything possible into getting Notre Dame. Should that fail, and it probably would, they would set their sights on Kentucky, especially with UK's love of basketball. Should UK go, then you go right back to the earlier scenario in the SEC.

I doubt the SEC will change for decades to come. However, if all of that played out.. like I said earlier, the best things ECU can do is enlarge their fan base, stadiums, and like Al Davis said, just win baby.

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11-13-2004 09:27 PM
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If the Big XII were to lose Colorado, my $$'s is on the Big XII taking Colorado State. CSU seems to fit the typical Big XII mold and the Big XII doesn't lose Denver as a media market. Sounds like a win-win situation to me except now the MWC loses the Denver market. Hmm.
11-17-2004 02:31 PM
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RIVER CITY PIRATE Wrote:This UC fan has never ceased to amaze me.  He/She finds threads about East Carolina everywhere and starts their rhetoric.

We know who owns who in football.

ECU has dominated the series with UC.

Oh by the way Claw has UC managed to get more than 15,000 to see your "great program" play?

Give me a break! UC has beaten your program the last three years, in 2002, 42-26 on your home field to wrap up the conference championship, in 2003, 40-3 on national T.V., and again 24-19 and actually took a knee on your 2 yard line, in your house, to end the game to stop further embarrassment. Yeah, you really own the football series huh! But you beat us 4 or 5 years ago so I guess you "own" Cincinnati and have "dominated" the series huh? By the way River, nice attendance for the Memphis game! What did you have, 2,000 people there? I'm sure ECU has inflated their numbers, oh well! And what's your record the last 5 years again? I do know that ECU's record the last 3 years is 7-27. What an "attractive" program you have! With that on the field success and "market" size it's a wonder the SEC and Big East haven't fought each other to get that great program! On a side note, our great program just won its 4th straight game, became bowl eligible, and received a vote in the Top 25.
11-21-2004 06:45 PM
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I wouldn't even start talking about attendance if I were you Claw. Your own fellow Cats and conference mates have laughed at your posts regarding this. Just like the post on UC averaging better attendance when playing Big East schools. You posted totaly inaccurate figures. LOL. You have been shown for what you are, a mere propogandist.

By the way have you at UC managed to get above 15,000 this year????

ECU still owns UC in football.
11-22-2004 03:48 PM
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Reality is the SEC is not going to expand. 12 team all-sports conferences are now the norm. Not 14 or 16. The only possibility of a change in the SEC would be Vanderbilt leaving and being replaced by West Virginia.

ECU, Memphis, USM, UAB, ect have no chance at SEC membership.
11-24-2004 01:49 AM
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This thread started on April 20th...how the hell has it dragged on for this long?!?

Oh wait...I just continued it.

The SEC ain't expanding anytime soon unless there is a nationwide push for 16 teams, and we're far from that point. Why don't we start an ECU to the Pac-10 thread...you have about the same shot...none. (you could replace ECU with Memphis and say the same thing)
12-01-2004 01:16 AM
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